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Item Lore: Aurora wields the power and strength of storms.
Ranger epic 2.0.
Falcon Strike: Any Slot/Can Equip
Lore Group: Epic Weapons
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I just wanted to stir the pot a bit LOL
My opinion on bow vrs sword debate: Sword, 100% sword. If you can get this, that means guild is in CoA(or got help) and can get Plaugebreeze, which is iirc 2nd best bow pre-TSS(2nd to DPoB Sisters Bow). The sword is by far the best 1hs u can get until ur guild raids TSS, and increases ur dps by alot. Really when you are criting for 2/3-1/2 of what u max crit on bow, but hit 4-6x faster, what is th point in even using the bow unless ur in a raid with aoe's being slack, whatev lol. Really there shouldnt be any complaining about this.
And then the effects: The DD increaser i have been waiting for, i had a lvl 70 one, but when you get Summers dew, icefall, ash, etc, u can get 1.6k normal hits with ice, 1.5k with ash, and like 1.8k combined with summers dew. Now if i had crit aa's then thats even more, but really the effect is a great effect for anything. Then the clicky is even better: i use it if i think about it and when i do its basically 90%hits, missing only every few, im guessing it could double my DPS when used.
That was alot of rambling, its 330am here o.0 but that is my input on this weapon(the best wep you can get unless ur raiding TSS)
Bring 72 ranger 1.5
P.S. Melee > bow for life.
Edited, Feb 25th 2007 3:32am by BigJimmy
Personally as a 72 Ranger (at the time of this post) I still would like to have a Bow Epic. In my mind it made sense... Epic 1.0a sword, Epic 1.0b sword, Epic 1.5 Bow.
Granted I am not from what you would call a traditional "high end" guild, I do come from a guild of tremendously talented players. The main thing each of these people has is cooperation. No matter what style you play your character, you do it in symphony with the other players you raid with.
My personal style is bowing. Even at the reduction of DPS that SoE gave us. Most people never say why they do what they do...but here is my reason: Backup support. As a ranged melee I can stand in the back doing decent DPS and watch the action much better then standing toe-to-toe with mobs. I compliment the Chanters by preslowing and or kiting adds till they are locked down. I grab aggro off the clerics and casters when something goes after them. I can take a punch or too trying to defend those that are supporting the tanks. I think this style fits me well as well as the raid force. Nothing worse then having a mob break ranks and start wiping your mages and wizzys out in seconds when there is no protection in the rear ranks.
Does this make me less of a character?? Hell no. In fact I can tell you I have save more then a few raids from wiping because I was ranged DPS and saw and took care of a problem in the rear before it effected the main raid. No I'm not superman and will whole heartedly say I'm gimp, but it never hurts to have protection around your casters, and if I had an epic bow I could add so much more to the DPS from afar while still protecting my casters.
Does that mean I don't melee? no. But in my play style, melee takes second fiddle. I even went so far as to evolve my Clockwork Farshot Armor Piercer because it was supposed to be our "epic bow" at least at some early dev point. I truly beleive they should have made that bow the end game bow but made it a much longer evolve time. It took me months to evolve it from beginning to end but I would have waited longer still to make it epic level.
End all... they should have given us a choice. Melee rangers get the sword they deserve, while the bow rangers get the bow they so want. SoE made us that flexible, so make our options flexible as well.
Edited, Dec 23rd 2006 3:01pm by Dharszolin
Why would I go trough a quest like this for a weapon?
So it does more damage when trueshot is NOT up. That's the point I think you are missing. The point IS to have an epic bow with increased DMG stats. I want a bowing weapon that I can use instead of a sword so my DMG output is of sufficient level I am not required to melee.
I could never understand people that don't want to allow the option of a bow weapon. They seem to be very narrow minded to ranger styles and duties a ranger can perform.
You go use your sword if you want... I want a bow... like it or not, some want bows. Oh by the way, in many of the raids I go in the rangers are ranged. Just an observation. They will occasionally melee, but most stay ranged.
Why can't SOE just make an option, bows for people that want bows, swords for those that want swords, let the people decide. This way flamers can stop flaming, and everyone is happy. Yes I will keep dreaming. I pay for the game too (in fact 3 accounts) so I can make requests just like any other player can.
Edited, May 1st 2007 5:13pm by Dharszolin
CHOICE big word here. I CHOOSE a bow. I want a bow, you want a sword. I don't really care what others want of me. I want what I think makes my character complete..a bow.
This is a game. This is not military warfare. We have to enjoy the game and not succumb to what others want us to be. We play to have fun and be what we want to be. And that is where I think EVERYONE is having an issue. When I play I do it to escape reality for a while and be a bowing ranger, that is what I dream my character to be, and I want to be the best at what at that I can.
You all can dream of being a sword swinging hunter, I choose the bow. When people understand that CHOICE is important and the fact this is a GAME then they can see my point.
Your argument is complete crap. It's the equivalent as if I said that as a druid I want to be able to have a pet that is reasonably usable, because I CHOOSE to use my bear pet, and it should be powerful enough so that I can CHOOSE to use it if I want to play that way.
Listen to what everyone else has said.
Sometimes bowing is better. The reason I want an epic bow is to increase the DMG I do from afar so I can avoid having to go in toe-to-toe and loose a better spot protecting the casters. Yes I will still achieve my 2.0 sword and be happy with it. I just feel a bow is more fitting to the style ranger I play.
We are a hybrid for a reason, we are flexible, as should our choices of game style and in turn our weapon.
I think there should be the option for the bow, BUT if you look at time bows the Epic bows would have to be extremely uber to outclass those.
What I would like to see is more in the way of useful spells, now I can hear the arguements already but I do think Ranger's got the short end of the stick past 65, there's not much there that isn't already been done. It's redundant, why is not Panic Animal replaced? I am a soloer mainly, no choice really on that one. I am on at odd hours, so I personally would like to see more in the way of solo' spells.... but that is just me.
B) Rangers are the most gimped class in the game atm. Our Dps/Buffs/Heals are not only weak, but in comparison to any other class its by a landslide.
However, You can solo (Bowkite), you can buff, you can heal, you can track (Legitly).
C) If you want to cry about Epic 2.0/Dps of Ranger, delete you character and Make a Rog/Ber/Mag/Wiz. If you want to cry about gimp buffs, delete your character and make a Cleric/Shaman.
But if you want a class that always brings good times and to enable the greatest Bull$h!t that Everquest can throw at a player just for the class he/she players... Play a Ranger today! :)
P.S. If you havr read this entire book I wrote, you have no life and probably nothing better to do :P J/k... Am I? No? Yes? Hrmmmm. No, I decide im not J/king today.
They can leave everything as is but one "They Nerfed Bow damage"
We ranger here never ment to best at anything. only best at having full skill All weapons we were designed to be
>trackers and utility spells
>back up tanks
BUT WE ALWAYS WERE MASTERS OF BOW
why do you think we were only ones to get endless quiver and bow aa's
We rangers did have one thing that none else had and it was ower biggest benefit
BOWS we have melee damage are ranger or 2x damage -- we have Endless arrows.
and they Decided to cap Damage and Put it on a sliding curve
would they do this to Melee, hell no not there pet classes would be hurt. (SK Zerker necros)
they gave everyone ower gifts at bow --- given it helps to have over 75 skill
for all care give everyone the skills ( they did that )
Give them all 2X damage ( they did that )
But done take away ower upper level damage it makes having better higher damgae bows a waste of time..
my 28/25 bow with 13 damage bonus with all my bufs hit for max about 900
my 62/52 bow with 23 damage bonus with all my bufs hits for only 1200
41 damage per hit vs 85 Damage per hit and only 30% more per hit
Should be max 1800+ damage
now in melee you get even damage
if your Damage for weapon and Bonus is 50 and you switch to 100 damage you do even damage of 100% more, not a sliding curve of 30%
used to be the same range or melee they put it on curve long time ago but had everyone else without the 2x bonus and the lower skill.
if they give everyine else upgrades to there bow skill give us back the ONE THING give up back the high end damage, Remove the Sliding cuve it is not right.
why not make is fair and even 2x damage and the rased skills and let those of us with skills and bufs do more damage it si fari and even we did the work
dont punish us for it
Dont give the rest a bonus they will almsot never use and take away what we had to start with
It's true that our melee dps completely owns our bow dps, but that's the way sony made it. And unless sony gives us a 100/30 bow it will always be that way. If you have some of the higher end ratio melee weapons you will be able to out dps bow+TS, making our bows completely obsolete. It sucks they did this to rangers but even so we are in the top 3 best melee dps classes in the game. So it really isn't that bad. I'm an averagely geared ranger (10.3khp, 2.1kac unbuffed, using 1.5/Darkglint) and when I put my heart into it I can out dps rogues at the same level of gear in my guild. I can put out around 350-500dps with melee, depending on the group makeup. 350 without bard/sham, and 500 with both.
So that being said, it sucks, but we have to live with it. Be happy that Sony gave us the best epic 2.0 ratio out of every other class.
Edited, Nov 4th 2006 at 11:54am PST by Deathdominos
If you mean damage ratio, that there will blow this blade out of the water and back under.
Just averagely huh
Should be fixed now.
But now matter what 1H or 2H'ers you get.
I've noticed that some classes are able to have both the Epic 1.0 and the Epic 2.0, such as the Cleric. I have a few general questions.
1) For the Ranger, is the epic 1.0 consumed in the process of creating the 1.5 or 2.0?
2) If so, can I re-do the Epic 1.0 quest and get the results a second time? Would it even be worthwhile?
3) If I were to get the Epic 2.0, would I be able to repeat the process and get the Epic 1.5 for my off hand?
Edit: Spelling, grammar, and rephrasing.
Edited, Sun Apr 16 16:47:33 2006
Anadriel Starfire, 120/46k AA High Elf Mage
1- Not a ranger
2- A ranger that isn't geared very well
3- A ranger that didn't play much before Luclin
Rangers were never originally meant to be a ranged dps class. They were originally intended to be a secondary or tertiary tank class. They always did more with melee, until AAs came out that gave them double the damage on archery, and an endless supply of high damage arrows. This coupled even moreso with the elemental bows. Get above the elementals, Time or higher, and melee dps outweighs the ranged by 100% or more. Yes, there are those situations where it's still called for to use a bow while raiding/exping. Stick a berzerker with max Warcry in a group of rangers that all blow TS and watch mobs melt.
So to say a ranger is or ever was ment as a ranged DPS class us utter BS, SOE never intended for us to sit safly in the back of raid slinging arrows for max DPS, sure there is situations where this is where we are best used in this capcity and noone else can do near the DPS with thier bows or ranged weaps.
If you put all your AAs into defensive and melee abilities, yes, you can tank almost everywhere.
If you put all your AAs into Ranged abilities and max out your DEX, yes, you can do massive DPS with a bow.
It all depends on how people want to play them.
no we are not the best dps in the game but i wouldnt play any other class and trust me i have tried um all, the abilities we have to be safe decent dps with all the skills and spells we get is amazing i feel all classes balence out this game i just wouldnt rather be any other clas myself :)
Go to school.
plus u would git epic 2.0 graphics on your bow, they could make that bow so bad ***...
Have an NPC in PoK that you can hand the sword in to, and have it replaced with a bow?
Same stats etc, range 250, with slightly different procs. (Simply have clicky on bow affect ranged attacks instead of melee attacks.)
That way both camps of ranger are happy. :)
P.S. As a side note, always thought SOE should add a ranger AA, Point Blank Shot, simply removes the minimum range and LOS issues that currently plague rangers.
damages ranger bow... im not goin to disagree,
and here is what i concluded. people were
complaining about no meele related damage discs,
and so the clickie on this weapon is the new
ranger meele disc =)
1. For those looking for a Ranger Epic Bow, ever researched the Time Bows? Best in Game bows already exceed all epics for damage. That is why SOE has not released an epic bow for rangers.
2. For those questioning why to get this. A. Having Epic 2.0 is a great accomplishment. B. Point me to something better for a ranger, I would like to see it.
As far as I know, there is not anything better for a ranger.
We want that in the game.
Use it to our advanage or loose a lot more of us if that is possible.
This might even get some old rangers back.
SOE make a great bow and new upgrades to archery even more Archery AAs.
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