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Staff of Living Brambles  

Lore Item No Trade Placeable
Lore Group: Epic Weaponry
Charges: Unlimited
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 31
DMG: 34 Dmg Bonus: 33 AC: 10
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
DEX: +30 STA: +20 CHA: +20 WIS: +30+2 INT: 0+2 HP: +195 MANA: +195
SV FIRE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +20
Required level of 65.
Effect: Nature's Blight (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 0.8)
Recast Delay: 360 seconds, Recast Type: 6
Focus: Silence of the Snake
WT: 2.1 Size: MEDIUM
Class: DRU
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 8 (General: Raid)
Slot 3, Type 20 (Ornamentation)

Item Lore:The staff thrums with the pulse of the land
Item Type:1H Blunt
Light:Flameless Lantern
Submitted By:Beenutt Putter
Lucy Entry By:Pelindra, Novae, Karana
Item Updated By:Khoza
IC Last Updated:2022-12-13 19:38:14
Page Updated:Sun Feb 5th, 2017

*This item is the result of a raid event.
Expansion: Omens of War Omens of War

Rarity: Very Rare
Level to Attain: 70

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Quest Name
Druid Epic 1.5: Staff of Living Brambles

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Abysmal Sea
Quest Name
Druid Epic 2.0: Staff of Everliving Brambles

Northern Felwithe
Quest Name
An Epic Request (Druid)

Used in 1 recipe.
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Lore Group: Epic Weaponry
Item Lore: The staff thrums with the pulse of the land

Second augment slot added on 13 October 2004.


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Goblin Event Redux
# Jan 11 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
539 posts
I was able to do it solo as a level 75 and I luckily completed it on my first try. Here’s a few things I learned about the event:

1. At 7pm game time, I clicked my costume on and had language set to goblin.

2. I targeted a goblin raider in the tunnel to Droga and spammed “Start the contest”

3. The goblin acknowledged that he would want to see such a contest. When I spammed him again he made various rude comments to me.

4. After five minutes Earth Seer Hunknort, Goblin King Dronan, and Whip Cracker Garzul spawned. They are green and light blue to a 75 and you can’t attack them.

5. Soon thereafter goblin seekers began to spawn and roam the zone. I estimate at least 20 or more spawn during this event. Some wander off on their own and a bunch traveled in a pack around the zone. This makes it imperative to have invis up while you are traversing the zone because the swarm will take you down quick. The seekers conned grey to green.

6. After another few minutes, the King goes into his script and then the hiders spawn.

7. It took about 10 minutes to even find one of the goblin hiders roaming the zone. But luckily they appear at the top of your tracking list. As stated, they warp a pretty far distance after about 60-90 seconds. If you want to do this solo, then use Spirit of Cheetah to quickly find a hider unless you have a faster horse/drog.

8. I’m not sure if the fake hiders respawn, but I suggest killing a hider if you find one or at least ensnare it.

9. Once you find a hider, make sure to quickly engage it or it will warp away. They will not warp when fighting you. Also make sure to snare it because once it starts fleeing it will warp on you. [IMPORTANT]

10. The hiders seem to roam all over the zone so there isn’t a specific area to focus your tracking. I just tried to stay in middle of the zone running a circle until a hider warped near me. I stayed out of the fort but I did find a hider pathing into the wall so be aware that they may go in there.

11. Although I was afraid the event was going to end before I could win, surprisingly it continued long after I killed the real hider and looted the item. I think they may have extended the time of the event to at least an hour.

As for me, I got the real goblin on the second hider I killed, but this didn’t end the event. I killed 3 more hiders and finally the King called an end to it after at least an hour. However, the swarms of seekers remained up as I left so be aware. I hope this helps my fellow druids.

Edited, Jan 12th 2007 2:13am by Addikeys
"Citing your sources isn't spoon feeding, it's basic 101 if you're making an argument."-Jophiel
Hide'n Seek
# Nov 23 2005 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
59 posts
How do you get the king to spawn so you can do the hide'n seek contest?

Edited, Wed Nov 23 23:17:03 2005
Hide'n Seek
# Jan 01 2007 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
Find Finrin Talister in a ruined building at -2210, +1480.

You say, 'Hail, Finrin Talister'

Finrin Talister says 'Well met, Wood Elf. What brings you to this [legendary site]? I hope that you're here to do something about all these pesky [goblins].'

You say, 'What legendary site?'

Finrin Talister says 'As the legend goes, the ruins you see around us was no ordinary building. On this site was once a temple to one of the lesser gods, of which one or if even the god still exists is unknown. What is known is that this place still contains powerful enchantments allowing souls to bind here.'

You say, 'What goblins?'

Finrin Talister says 'They've been a real problem lately. Not that they aren't always a problem, but there was all this commotion about some sort of contest with a prize a while ago. It seems that they've [forgotten] it again for the moment, thank goodness.'

You say, 'Forgotten?'

Finrin Talister says 'Yes, forgotten. They forget about this contest for a while, then suddenly one of them remembers. Fights break out for a while over who will win the [prize] then they forget again until the next one remembers it. I wish they'd have this contest already and get it over with.'

You say, 'What prize?'

Finrin Talister says 'I don't know for sure what the prize is, I don't speak goblin all that well. All I know is that they discovered something on some poor [victim] that they desire. I'm not certain that they even know what it is from the way they talk about it.'

You say, 'Who was the victim?'

Finrin Talister says 'I don't know who it was, just someone that they caught sneaking into or out of Droga. You know, I'm tempted to dress up like a goblin and insist that they start the contest already, just so it will be over and we can go back to the relative peace and quiet I've learned to enjoy out here.'

To make a long story short, you need to make a Poor Goblin Disguise, and be a Master (100 skill) in the Goblin language. To make the disguise, first create:

Green Body Paint - brew Emerald Leaves (foraged in the Emerald Jungle), Cactus Pulp (foraged in North Ro), Lichenclover (foraged in Field of Bone, Firiona Vie, and Frontier Mountains or dropped in the Crypt of Dalnir and the Frontier Mountains) and a Water Flask, trivial 15.

Tailor the Green Body Paint with 2 x Copper Armband (need drop info), 1 x Carved Wooden Mask (need drop info), 1 x Goblin Loincloth (need drop info), and 1 x Green Goblin Skin, trivial 15.

Head to the entrance to the Temple of Droga in the Frontier Mountains. At 7 PM gametime, click the Poor Goblin Disguise to "disguise" you. In Goblin:

You say, 'Start the contest.'

If you did it right, you will see a zonewide emote:

Any order??
# Nov 03 2005 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
38 posts
Just a quickie, but then quickies are the best.

Can the various parts of this epic be done in any general order (drop related of course)or does it have to be done in total order?
RE: Any order??
# Dec 05 2005 at 10:22 PM Rating: Default
it has to be done in order, because most of the items you loot are from events that only become active when a druid at the right stage in their epics comes into the zone or the correct general area.

ei. the runed earthshaker wont spawn unless you at that stage of epic
swamp terror
# Oct 16 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
I can not get this to spawn. i have everything up to this. also i have got him to spawn once but failed on that any help plz
swamp terror
# Aug 21 2007 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
44 posts
Getting the Swamp Terror to spawn is fairly easy. Equip your alligator charm, load you animal mr debuff + favorite charm spell OR Dire Charm, charm an alligator, and swim under the bridge (fallen pillar) that leads to Cazic Thule.
If not for upgrade, do it for novelty
# Jun 09 2005 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
I personally like this item, of course it could be better, but what couldn't? I just started and finished my newbie armor quest at level 66, just for the novelty of it. I love walking around sporting newbie armor. People look so confused when they ask me for a link on my scimitar. If this item isn't exactly an upgrade, get it for novelty. Just to show it off. It works the same as the coldain shawl. I had something better than it by far, even before I completed it, but I chose to finish it, just to have it. Not too many people sporting a blessed shawl, same with epic 1.5, it has a sweet graphic, and it's really not that bad.
RE: If not for upgrade, do it for novelty
# Jan 31 2006 at 9:31 PM Rating: Default
are you on drugs?
let down
# Jan 31 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Default
184 posts
OK I am just 2 raids away from owning this thing, and will admit to just now looking at its stats. I just assumed an epic was was a thing worth having. I am really disappointed with no click dot. But I did notice this and epic 2.0 both have 2 slots, so maybe (I hope) EQ will come out with an LDON or Omen's aug for us to put in this epic item that will make it a clicky dot, or some of the other things you guys have been suggesting to make it more uber. Some of the post had good ideas, some would make us too powwerful. Not that I want us to have a click pet, but the thing that irks me about being a druid is only having 1 pet spell and it a weak one, I think LDON or omens should give us another. Even dire charm now is a joke with lvl 70, some zones you can't even charm a green animal it is too high level. So then you get into usless fights killing the animal you tried to charm. Anyway, sorry for the rant that was unrelated to epic 1.5 but a DC effect on the epic for high animals would have been nice and not too uber in my opinion.
# Dec 22 2004 at 3:33 AM Rating: Default
94 posts
Posted @ Fri, Dec 3rd 2:02 AM 2004
By: manicus
"Could you plz link me the drop in RS that would go in primary slot and is better then this. Because i just looked on Illia's though every named mob there and i didnt see anything that i could equip taht drops there."

I don't check these forums often but every now and then I do when I work on my 1.5 epic. Yeah I guess I'll do it. Why the hell not? Anyway, here are some links for "primary slotted" items I found that are better than druid 1.5 "epic".



Time it takes to get any of these drops (if it was reserved for you) versus the time it takes to get the 1.5 or 2.0 epic. Then look at stats. So the first item you can attack with. Druid's really don't do a whole lot of OT'ing that I know of.

Edited, Wed Dec 22 03:34:22 2004
# Feb 03 2005 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
266 posts
Ok, there is a nice Riftseeker item, but it drops off King Gelaqua. Since your original post said:
Would rather get an RS group and get a drop from there. Less effort, less time, better stats

I would like you to explain the strategy you plan to use to "Get a group" and kill a level 80 boss mob that quads for 5400 per hit.

Realistically, if you have a guild that is equipped enough to take down Gelaqua, then nothing in the epic 1.5 is going to be more than farming anyhow.

Oh, and I should add, the two items you linked from Muramite Provinggrounds are rewards for completing the RAID level trials. Basically these are done by GoD geared (Qvic and beyond) guilds who are flagging for Anguish. Both are harder to obtain than the weapon from Riftseekers.

Edited, Thu Feb 3 12:38:09 2005
# Jul 16 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
Thanks for replying being as i gave up on epic and i have been lacking on checking replys. So i guess the search goes on for something compareable. However now that DoN is out theres some nice combinations that u can use from crystals there. Crystalized Mind + 2 aug slots might get you close to epic quality while earning aa's and faction for progression. Ill check back later to see if anyone can find anything else comparable.
# Nov 26 2004 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
OMG U guys. This EPIC is OK if you dont have a better wep. I havent used EPIC 1.0 in over a year since getting MM's 1hs with clicky dot.

I agree that the EPIC should have an upgraded DOT effect rather than a nuke debuff..(That is a Mage's job anyway)..But for peet's sake, Druids dont Tank, if you do then your waisting your tallents. Run out of mana?...are you mad or just undergeared?...There are non-epic items for druids with better stats but you have to be in a well established Time capable or better guild to get them. If your an individual or in a low-end Family guild your best bet is to whine about this epic. other than a mild upgrade in stats it is not worth it...side note it is still a cool status, AKA I sank XXX hours into a worthless item.
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# Nov 23 2004 at 6:30 AM Rating: Default
94 posts
shafted x10

Defintely not worth it. Would rather get an RS group and get a drop from there. Less effort, less time, better stats. 'Nuff said. As stated other times before... SHAFTED!
RE: e-tarded
# Dec 03 2004 at 2:02 AM Rating: Good
Could you plz link me the drop in RS that would go in primary slot and is better then this. Because i just looked on Illia's though every named mob there and i didnt see anything that i could equip taht drops there.
RE: e-tarded
# Nov 24 2004 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
consitering that its only 1.5 i dont see the prob
Little error
# Nov 08 2004 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
Just noticed that the stats written show +30 int while the pic is +30 wis, which sounds better for a wis caster epic :)

So, it also seems that beside me and Tordela, nobody didn't even read description of the item before arguing on how good / lame it is and blah blah blah...
RE: Little error in stats still wrong
# Jun 20 2005 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
The picture is correct, but the stats are still listed as INT+30 when should be WIS+30
RE: Little error in stats still wrong
# Jun 20 2005 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
6,998 posts
Fixed now, thanks.
Clerics get a shield, when get a ...
# Nov 03 2004 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
I know this has probably been pounded a few times, but WTF is this that the Clerics get to keep their 1.0 AND get a damn nice shield with damn nice stats as well!!!??? We should get the same and so should all of the other classes. I have not looked at the others, but I am sure noone gets the ability to not only keep but also equip their 1.0's right?
RE: Clerics get a shield, when get a ...
# Feb 21 2005 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
3,705 posts
Not very many people who can finish an epic 1.5 will still be weilding an epic 1.0.

I am not even halfway done with 1.5, and my epic has already been bagged.

The 2.0 would be even less likely to be paired with a 1.0. YOu need a drop from Anguish to finish it. Anyone flagged for anguish will inevitably have something far better than an epic 1.0
RE: Clerics get a shield, when get a ...
# Nov 03 2004 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
rogues also as 1.0 is secondary and 1.5 is prim/second
RE: Clerics get a shield, when get a ...
# Feb 21 2005 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
The wrong people are taking the blame.
# Nov 01 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Default

Please... allow me to show you this place. Clicking the link above will take you to the dev boards on the Sony site... which not only do the devs read... but reply on VERY often.

I hear all sorts of blame on SoE for creating a sucky epic 1.5 which is only partially true... it does suck and right now its pretty unepic. But its YOUR fault... Thats right the players... It's so unepic that if it dropped off a named mob in MPG or higher as a normal drop I probably wouldn't use my DKP to take it. Due to the fact I could use it to get a better weapon is about the only redeeming quality of this item.

The Devs listened to what players wanted and requested.. and this is what you got. Complaining on here is pointless... who knows if anyone will ever read this thread. If you have something important to say, go say it there.. take your stats and your numbers to a place where someone who can make a change or adjustment will read it.

Currently our epic's super power is the ability to lower a mobs mystical resistance and having improved damage from DD spells.

I dont see this as saving too many lives unless it worked on raid targets and gave AT LEAST 20%-35%addition damage to anyone who is nuking the target in additional to any damage mods that person has on. YEAH. Its EPIC and should have an effect of EPIC quality.

IF that was the case then I could see myself using this occasionally when soloing something that summons to assist me in burning the mob down.

I would have much rather had a weapon that gave me the ability to prevent being summoned, or a silence spell even if for only 40-55 seconds.

I find that as a druid my worst enemy is being summoned. The hate reduction is like a bandaid on a gushing wound. While in a group with someone else trying to gain aggro this will probably keep me just a bit safer so I can turn up the healing or nukes a bit. ALTHOUGH... I wouldn't even need the hate reduction or care if my epic prevented me from being summoned.

If the devs were to hear me... the druid epic would have had 2 of the following.

1. Clicky non summonablity (90 seconds) recast 10 minutes.

2. Clicky Silence (mob cannot cast or cannot cast on me for 25-40 seconds) recast 10 minutes

3. Illusion Nightstalker (Transforms Druid into a nightstalker for 60 seconds allowing hits in the range of 250-500 a swing) recast 10 minutes.

4. Summon Nightstalker (Summon a permanant pet that hits in the range of 150-200)

For my epic I want an EPIC use.

Edited, Mon Nov 1 09:47:02 2004
RE: The wrong people are taking the blame.
# Nov 06 2004 at 9:04 PM Rating: Default
Clicky non summonablity (90 seconds) recast 10 minutes.

2. Clicky Silence (mob cannot cast or cannot cast on me for 25-40 seconds) recast 10 minutes

3. Illusion Nightstalker (Transforms Druid into a nightstalker for 60 seconds allowing hits in the range of 250-500 a swing) recast 10 minutes.

4. Summon Nightstalker (Summon a permanant pet that hits in the range of 150-200)

So, really you want something to help you solo even more? A permanent pet that does 150-200 damage? A druid that can hit for 250-500 per swing (even for a short time)?

All that does is scream "Named Farming" to me. You don't need an epic, you need a pitchfork, Mr Farmer.
RE: The wrong people are taking the blame.
# Feb 03 2005 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
Why you afraid if we had something to help us solo better at higher levels you'ld have more compitition in the bazaar? druids are supposed to be a solo class,,,,so let us solo.
RE: The wrong people are taking the blame.
# Oct 13 2005 at 6:59 PM Rating: Default
In all my experience with the high end, druids are more of a group support class more than anything once you break 65. There's not much soloing left we can do that most other classes can't already. I think as long as the effect worked effectively then keep it, but as it stands it's pretty broken. Same with our AC debuffs which seem to have very little use. I like the hate reduction effect on the epic right now but the focus needs to be something far more workable. Maybe an exceptionally powerful, short duration AC debuff? It would be much more DPS effective than increasing spell damage and it would provide a good use on both raids and in groups. Solo effects are pish-posh in my opinion.

*Amendum* Well I've been fooling around with this and being able to pop this effect on mobs and start nuking for almost 2k with Winter's Frost is very, very nice. Why does everybody not like increasing nuke damage?

Edited, Sat Oct 15 14:48:48 2005
Epic 2.0
# Oct 31 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
You people arent happy enuff they made a 2.0, so you complain about it... whats wrong with you, they diddnt HAVE to make a epic 2.0 for any class, gezze people! i dont see why you prople complain... and it looks really good.
RE: Epic 2.0
# Nov 02 2004 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
1,463 posts
They didn't have to make an epic 2.0?

Yes they did. They wanted us to buy oow. They used the promise of a way-cool epic 2.0 to lure us into buying it. They made a lot of money off us with this lure.

We have every right to be upset, thank you.

I'm not playing my druid any more, anyway, for a lot of reasons. This was just the last nail in the coffin. He was a lot of fun to play up to the high levels, but I don't get any satisfaction out of him any more. He's now only useful for PLing my friends. Sigh.
# Oct 22 2004 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
Seriously, this epic isn't on par with the other priest classes.

People flaming the ones (who are the majority, I might add) who say this epic stinks is not going to get it changed.

If enough people /feedback this thing, Sony will listen.

Were you all surprised when they offered us an option to change the splash screen when you zone so that you do not see it anymore? I am not, I /feedback on that crap every time I logged on. Guess what? I wasn't alone 'cause sure enough 2 weeks later we were given the option to see it when we zone, or not to.

Remember when the names above everyones head's were all out of whack? Well, they changed that too. In fact, they improved it from the original!

So, stop flaming ... you guys are hurting the rest of us who care.
# Oct 23 2004 at 3:27 AM Rating: Default
1,463 posts
I agree w/ you 100% Mullicxan - see my (long, sorry) posts below.

I've played EQ since the first year of its existence, off and on. I quit over 2 years ago because Verant (who ran EQ then) would not make any real improvements. But now that Sony is in charge, they really seem to care! I came back 2 months ago, and I'm totally blown away by the improvements to the game. PoK (no boats or 15 minute wait portals) - LDoN - pets zoning - lots of new and cool items - etc. etc. It's literally a whole new game!

So yes, we need to complain when they make a design error! And we need to stand up to people who bash and flame us - and call us whiners. When you attack us this way you are HURTING THE GAME.

And the people complaining about this epic are right. It's just not up to snuff.

Let's all get on the same page people, please, and present a unified front - and insist they make the game better and better. It will work. Thanks much!
# Oct 21 2004 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
105 posts
I notice that Allakhazam's description shows +30int and the picture shows +30wis (which makes more sense as it's a druid's weapon)...imho
Deericious on Drinal
# Oct 18 2004 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
Good lord, people. Stop whining. I'm sick of everyone whining about the epic. It is better than the 1.0 and worse than the 2.0. That is why it is the 1.5!! Cry cry cry. If you don't like what's on it, go work for Sony and make it better. The only thing your whining will do is increase people's hatred for the game and its community and make people want to quit (myself included). Thank you very much
# Oct 22 2004 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
It's great that your only two posts on Allakhazam's are non-constructive. In fact, THEY ARE THE SAME!! WTG you!

Edited, Fri Oct 22 11:01:55 2004
# Oct 20 2004 at 6:03 PM Rating: Excellent
1,463 posts
Hi, I'd like to pre-empt my below post, which I wrote in a hot-headed state. Look, if you're an anti-whiner, you have every right to complain. Hey, that's what my big beef is, right? That people have a right to complain here and shouldn't be bashed for it.
But there's more - and I'm going to try to make my point better this time.
I am concerned that if posters bash people for "whining" it will contribute to fatalism - to accepting whatever bad decisions Sony makes. And ultimately this will be a contributing factor in keeping the game from getting better.
"What?" you may be thinking. This dude really IS smoking crack! Hold on, I can explain.
I think of it like a "buff". In EQ if there was a buff that increased the chance of any mob you kill dropping an uber item by a mere 1%, you'd still cast that buff on yourself, right? You wouldn't expect much from it in any one fight, but over a month of hard playing, you really would see results from it.
If people in these boards "slam" others who complain about items being gimpy, etc. - I'm worried it creates an "anti buff" in RL. A "modifier" is created in that people who might have something really smart to say will fear being slammed and won't post - because of the "anti-whiner climate" that exists. Legit complaints and good ideas will have a lower chance of being aired. This results in an "anti-buff" on "game improvement" happening.
Sony people do read the boards now. They are concerned about making the game better. You can no longer say "they won't change anything" - that was Verant. There have been dramatic improvements lately - the game is getting better and better - I have played since the first year off and on - I know. So the potential of an anti-buff on game improvement isn't the deranged ramblings of a gnome who was dropped on his head at birth - it's real, folks.
If however we let people complain (and even encourage it), imo the "RL buff" goes positive towards the game being improved. Sure we get some stupid complaints (and if someone says something idiotic, call them on it - just don't slam them, please), but we get a lot of legit ones, too. And because the climate is weighted in favor of complaining, there is a positive modifier given for real and significant game improvements happening.
It may be hard for some of you to see, but I really think if we presented a unified message in here of "make the game better or else" to Sony - they will. Again, Verant - sheesh - they ... well, I'm not going to rant.
Now, I'll be the first to admit that not every player idea or complaint should be accepted. Many are downright stupid. What I'd love to see is, rather than "stop WHINING" - people (myself included - oh yes - especially me) take a deep breath and count to ten before posting. Tell yourself "a Sony developer will read this". Then post.
It's totally cool to say "dude, I know you're upset, but your epic might not be so bad. It sounds to me like you solo a lot, and this effect is geared towards group play and raids. Maybe you can get in a group easier now - give it a try - or maybe Sony could add something to help out soloers - here's an idea..." ---- rather than "quit your bloody whining!!!"
It bugs me when people say "stfu it's only a game" or "go work for Sony then" - like we don't have a right to be bitter about bad game design choices. It really bugs me when people say "just quit EQ then".
Not everyone has a great RL situation. Some of us have ADD or ADHD - we bombed in school - we're not going to get great jobs. Some of us grew up in messed up families or in horrid school districts. We have crapy jobs - RL doesn't offer us much. Go work retail or flip burgers for a month and see for yourself, if you don't get it.
Anyway, this game "is reality" for some people. You may say "that's so sad", but I don't. Think about a wheelchair-bound person who plays EQ. In RL he's been dealt a bum hand. But in EQ he can escape that - in eq he can DO stuff - he can FLY. So Eq isn't "just a game" for everyone. It's a wonderful escape valve from dreariness for a lot of people.
So please, even if I don't state my case as eloquently as I should, give what I'm saying a chance. If we all band together here and insist that the developers make the game better, it will make a lot of us very happy - and it will eventualy work - like a positive 1% buff.
But if we allow a climate of whiner-bashing to go on, we are very likely to produce a "negative buff". Sony people will assume all is right w/ the game and won't improve it.
Well, I've run on here. And I know I'm making a huge request of you here. Sorry about that, but I do want the game to get better. That's all.
# Oct 20 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
1,463 posts
Sorry to all you self-proclaimed anti-whiners, but you need to read this. I know that some people are born with only a limited tolerance for hearing "criticism" or "argument". It simply addles you, you cringe inside, and you can't take it. It doesn't matter to you if the complaint is justified or not: you're simply not wired to accept it at all. You'd rather endure crap from Sony than hear people complain in a forum. Your "wisdom" is "hey, stfu, bend over and take it from Sony like the rest of us - whiner!"
Calling those who complain about an aspect of the game "whiners" is an act of sophistry - it's a debater's trick. Simply by equating what might be legitimate complaining to "whining like a baby" you are pronouncing judgment on them unfairly, by your language alone.
If a player invests untold hours in a character and then Sony gives them an Epic that truly stinks out loud - what - they don't have a right to complain? It is you, the anti-whiners, who are smoking crack! You say "don't get the epic then" or "don't play that class" - my God, think about what you're saying. Someone has put a measurable chunk of their life into something, and game designers arbitrarily wave the "your major, special class item will seriously suck" wand at them - and you say these people have no right to be mad?
Maybe you anti-whiners are fatalists. Maybe deep inside you are also mad that Sony has screwed you over. Maybe you say to yourself "Sony will never listen, and I'm a 'real man', and real men don't complain. So, if I'm not going to let myself complain, I'm not going to let other people complain, either."
If that's the case, get over that, please. Here's why.
Sony people read these boards. They finally are responding to player feedback. There are no more boats. There is PoK. There is LDoN (to solve dungeon overcrowding/not being able to find stuff to kill issue). Pets zone. Etc. See, a lot of players quit NOT because of whiners but because the game, as good as it was, had too many majorly frustrating aspects and flaws -- and Sony woke up to this -- and they made the game much, much more playable (you will notice old players are actually coming back to the game now).
Now, here is why you shouldn't post ill-thought anti-whiner messages in here. Sony reads these boards. When they come here and see you people saying "be satisfied with what you get" - "don't ask for better" - they assume wrongly that the game is okay. When you say "don't complain" you are telling Sony "don't try to make the game better for us!"
Therefore, the game won't get better. The parts that are broken will continue to be broken.
So please, get over yourselves and think before you post. Seriously, an ill-thought post could hurt the game and all of the rest of us.
Sure, if someone really is whining ("I died soloing in the Grey and no cleric would come res me, waaahhh!!!") - go ahead, flame them. But if someone has invested in a char. to lvl 68 and their Epic stinks out loud - yes my friends - they DO have a right to complain. That is NOT whining. Thanks much, good luck all.
# Oct 18 2004 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
Good lord, people. Stop whining. I'm sick of everyone whining about the epic. It is better than the 1.0 and worse than the 2.0. That is why it is the 1.5!! Cry cry cry. If you don't like what's on it, go work for Sony and make it better. The only thing your whining will do is increase people's hatred for the game and its community and make people want to quit (myself included). Thank you very much

Edited, Tue Oct 19 00:39:57 2004
And, while I
# Oct 15 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
am on a roll. Where is the freeking treasure chest at the end of the epic 1.5 fight or anywhere else?

Edited, Fri Oct 15 14:12:56 2004
#REDACTED, Posted: Oct 15 2004 at 9:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) TO SONY I HOPE YOU PEOPLE READ THIS:
# Oct 16 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
meh, if enough people complain sony will listen...they are finally reading the feedback people send in...its about time.

Edited, Sat Oct 16 11:34:59 2004
# Oct 16 2004 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
LOL, that's some funny stuff.

You my friend are the epitome of why I quit EQ some months ago, you get way too angry and upset over a friggen game. If you do not like your epic(s), don't do them!! I can somewhat understand your made because some other player in a game can get something better than you, but for god's sake quit whining about it, SOE is not going to make the epic 1.5 or 2.0 any better because of the angry druid's out there, trust me, they don't listen at all.

Flame me, say whatever you want, but it won't change anything, your little pixels in a big game will still be the same
# Oct 21 2004 at 12:16 AM Rating: Default
AMEN im with ya you knwo what i said when i looked at this sweetness its a hell of a lot better then what im using. If you have better then this epic props to you if you dont have better personally i dont see how people can complain sure we dont get as cool of a clickie as others but it has a 10 min recast its not gonna make or break why id get an epic. Think about it is 1 click ever 10 mins really worth all the trouble. Just be glad they left us a clickie at all if your really bored just keep clickign track.

Edited, Thu Oct 21 01:17:40 2004
# Oct 22 2004 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
and its people with attitudes like YOURS that didn't get the epic 1.0 changed from a snare to a dot ... if you feedback this **** in the game then the devs will listen as this clicky is NOT on par with the other priest classes

NO, its not fair. YES, they will change it if enough people complain.

Edited, Fri Oct 22 10:50:10 2004
anouther skill to work up
# Oct 14 2004 at 1:59 AM Rating: Default
Well sure it kinda sucks in some areas, but yes Im a druid who started working on one handed slashing at a young level so I would be able to use my epic as a weapon every now and then when im OOM and my mob just need a small wack to make it dead... but now I have to go work on 1 hb to make this new epic work... /sigh that kinda sucks... took 40 levels for me to be able to 1hs a 63 on a regular basis... and even still I 1hs at 40 most of the time depending on the mob...

Yes I will seek to obtain this epic as well more because it yet anouther accomplishment to say I have(when I get it)

But I hope Sony makes some adjustments and fixes some of the stats before I get it...

Druid 1.5 SUCKS
# Oct 13 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
72 posts
well i guess i am going to post too, being a 66 dru myself. i guess Sony forgot that druids are a Priest class. the effect that they put on this just sucks. the weapon in and of itself arent too bad. but there is better out there that you can get that arent epic quest required. compared to the other classes 1.5 this just sucks big time. i could see this effect on a wizzy item with a recast of 30 sec or something. but on a dru give me a break. shild protection do we mele? NO
then why shield protection. a 10 min spell to make nukes hit harder. lol on most occations in groups we are healers. we can DPS nukes some times but 10 min between casts means it will never be used. i think i will stay with the effect on my 1.0 at least it is useful. i am a dotting healing druid as most of us are. why not give us something like a dot damage modifier as static effect and a heal or someting useful as a clicky? it just really bugs me that Druids get stamped into the ground on the effects of their epic 1.5.

sk's get 61 dam 30 delay weap. palys 71 dam low delay clerics get group heal and can still wield 1.0, shammys get group regen 400/tic. druids get nothing to really help as a priest class.

well i have ranted long enough.

Were the developers smoking crack when they made this???
# Oct 12 2004 at 4:55 AM Rating: Default
This is the worst clickie i have ever seen. As someone else said before there is a lot of things i could say about it but i think my grandmother would roll over in her grave if i used that language. Quite frankly druids are known for thier dot spells and i really expected this one to be along those lines also, or maybe a shield like clerics so we could continue to use our 1.0 and have the new one compliment it wth were the developers smoking crack??? was there no one at thier little summit to speak up for the druid population or do they just not give a rats ***? I really hoped to see a little more mana on the sucker as well. Come on sony fix this crap.

I suggest all druids do /feedback everday many times a day spam them with feedback that they are dissatisfied with the clicky on this we supposedly got the snare taken off the 1.0 lets see if we can get this made better cause this is crap and i would rather use my 1.0 and just get better gear than use that piece of bleeeeeeeeeeeep.

Just my Two Cents
your 2 cents ain't worth shi*t
# Mar 01 2007 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
Worst clicky you've ever seen? get out of gloomingdeep first, then talk.
# Oct 11 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Default
16 posts
This is complete crap, first as itself, then compared to other priest epic.

The stats are not so bad, of course, thought the choice of DEX instead of ... let's say... AGI ? let me wondering... I didn't knew DEX was one of our main stats... oh ? it's not ? ;-)

And, yeah, the damage ratio is relatively cool, but, wait, are we melee ? oh ? we're not ?

Of course we are not melee, look at the AC on the epic 1.5... 10AC. not even needed to comment on that...

Resists are a little disappointing too, why no Disease / Poison as on Epic 1.0 ?

Then the comparison comes on...

1/ clerics can wield the epic 1.0 on primary, and epic 1.5 on secondary, with stats in accordance with their class...

2/ then comes the clicky effect... cleric got a 6min "almost complete heal group instant" with a cure (9) group. Shaman get a group regen of 4khp/1min with a increase dmg group, every 10min

Druid gots what ? a 10min recast increase damage on a mob. ok, ok, that can be useful on a named, on a raid, but it's of very poor use on day-to-day fights, where mobs usually goes down on 20/30secs... Compared to insta-group-ch-plus-cure and group-regen-400hp-tick-plus-dmg (the added dmg last on the group for 1min, it is not limited to 1 mob / 10min).... what the hell ??? Cleric/Sham clickies are... usefull, these clickies can save lives, while having a little bonus. we have what ? just the little bonus ;-)

Sure, I will try to get this Epic 1.5... just for the stats... But I'm once again, as a druid,
just feeling completely ridiculous... Usually I keep this for myself, I'm not a whining addict ;-) but this time it's just too much... can't resist the urge to whine lol

Bah, WoW is coming soon after all ;-)

Edited, Mon Oct 11 19:15:43 2004
RE: Crap
# Oct 11 2004 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
I completely agree with you, as a druid, they really gave us the shaft so far this is the only epic i have see that has a realitively crud azz clicky the ONLY use i can possibly see this in is PvP and even then it looks to be a curse based effect which is very easily dispelled by almost every class now. I also rarely post but this is just crap why cant they just give us a clicky dot or something that doesnt total blow out the butt? Also what the heck is the point of 2% dot sheilding.... 2% is so incredibly small its not even worth putting on there... i guess i could see a use as the 2% stacks us with other dot sheilding but there are so few item in the game that actually are attainable by the average person with a life there is no point why cant sony stop being so money hungry and design the game to make the play more enjoyable and thank god for WoW cause eq has taken a complete crap now that sony took over

Edited, Tue Oct 12 00:47:23 2004
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