Treasure Hunter`s Satchel
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DropsThis item is found on creatures. Emerald Jungle
Nagafen's Lair
Timorous Deep
Western Wastes
QuestsThis item is used in quests.Expansion List - Premium only. Crescent Reach
The Bazaar
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Also drops from Melalafen in Western Wastes.
Satchel also drops from Faydedar, the roaming non-triggered version of the water dragon. Confirmed this morning, among other things he dropped this satchel and a Kavruul's Mystic Pouch also.
11 posts
There is one of these selling in the bazaar on my server (Tunare) for 100k .... Am i missing something about this or is someone just a little stoned to be asking that amount?
While 100k is a bit extreme, I can see charging a lot more for rare items like this even though you can buy identical stat bags for cheaper. Some people like nostalia and to be able to link things and say, "Leatherfoot HaverSUCK...look what I have".
14 posts
On Ayonae Ro today got message to the effect of something strange has happened to animals at Wayfarer's camp in Ro, went there and had rabid animals conning white to level 70 they had CRAZY regen and resists, eventually as we got more people there and gm's quit running away and regening when they got low they dropped this along with gold tickets, some illusion potions, and other miscellanious items.
Had the same cookie-cuter gm event on Povar about a week ago. Only it was in WW.
40 posts
Hi,
I got this bag today from a GM event on Kane Bayle with a very lucky roll of 989 out of 1000.
The giant we put down dropped several other nice stuff that all seem to be rare drops from high level mobs (Vindi was one of them too).
One real happy druid.
JungleVIP, level 63 druid
I got this bag today from a GM event on Kane Bayle with a very lucky roll of 989 out of 1000.
The giant we put down dropped several other nice stuff that all seem to be rare drops from high level mobs (Vindi was one of them too).
One real happy druid.
JungleVIP, level 63 druid
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Posted: Apr 30 2004 at 1:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The game has changed since Naggy was slaughtering you noobs on a daily basis. There are more WR bags out there so quit bringing up issues that are 5 years old ROTFLMFAO.
6 posts
Hmmmmm. Seems alot of people play this GAME so much they forgot its a game. Hey all in my experience you give loot where needed, if a monk sends me a tell saying gratz on my roll but he really needs the bag... then its his. But thats just me.
Ashgoth Shadowweaver 52 SK
(Trying to clear the good names of all evil spawned classes)
Ashgoth Shadowweaver 52 SK
(Trying to clear the good names of all evil spawned classes)
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Posted: Jul 18 2004 at 4:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thats pretty dumb...why is the monks time more valuable than yours? Are you that worthless?Guess so.
3 posts
Because a monk needs weight reduction to make them effective. monks lose combat ability the heavier the get, you stay at 100% as long as you are below 13 stones.
please research and read before you trash talk, or better yet. dont trash talk at all.
please research and read before you trash talk, or better yet. dont trash talk at all.
look, the way I see it, he would get the bag that he rolled for. We all struggle to keep our weight low just to be able to run. Sure, it's a thought to give it to him, but it's the person's opinion. And this is my own opinion, and nobody deserves the right to take down someone elses opinion.
you yourself shouldn't go trashin other people, either. I'm not supporting the dork, but you, my dear alphonse...You just try to be cool and make quick remarks without thinking. You show yourself as biased (or however you spell that), and nobody likes biased. Just because you read up on stuff about a monk class, doesn't mean certain items should be givin to all the monks in the world, just because you think they're so special. Every race should be delt the same, and should get their own items their own way. Again, my opinion.
So stop making stupid remarks about other stupid remarks, and THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!
Edited, Sun Dec 12 21:37:27 2004
you yourself shouldn't go trashin other people, either. I'm not supporting the dork, but you, my dear alphonse...You just try to be cool and make quick remarks without thinking. You show yourself as biased (or however you spell that), and nobody likes biased. Just because you read up on stuff about a monk class, doesn't mean certain items should be givin to all the monks in the world, just because you think they're so special. Every race should be delt the same, and should get their own items their own way. Again, my opinion.
So stop making stupid remarks about other stupid remarks, and THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!
Edited, Sun Dec 12 21:37:27 2004
Any monk participating in a dragon kill is gonna have a higher weight cap than 13. First of all, the cap at LEVEL 1 is 14, not thirteen. By level 45, which is about the lowest a monk could realistically participate in a dragon kill, and do any real damage, the weight cap is moved up to 17.0. It continues to go up ad intervals until level 60.
Level 60, it goes up to 24.0. Which is where it stays, unless they raised the cap with OOW.
My monk carries Leatherfoot Haversacks. They weigh 0.2 more than this, which will not cripple anyone, and are made by halfling tailors.
Back in the day, when pickup nagafen raids still occurred, it was not uncommon to offer monks first shot at this, with the caveat that they had to offer up their tink bag for open roll, if they won the t-hunter bag.
Now that leatherfoot haversacks are available, there is no real reason to make this monk only.
Edited, Wed Sep 29 08:46:44 2004
Level 60, it goes up to 24.0. Which is where it stays, unless they raised the cap with OOW.
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please research and read before you trash talk, or better yet. dont trash talk at all.
My monk carries Leatherfoot Haversacks. They weigh 0.2 more than this, which will not cripple anyone, and are made by halfling tailors.
Back in the day, when pickup nagafen raids still occurred, it was not uncommon to offer monks first shot at this, with the caveat that they had to offer up their tink bag for open roll, if they won the t-hunter bag.
Now that leatherfoot haversacks are available, there is no real reason to make this monk only.
Edited, Wed Sep 29 08:46:44 2004
33 posts
Traded off my Tink Bag and 500p to the winner of this bag. Yes, I play a monk that likes to keep weight low.
if u need 100% so bad then buy a bag of the tinkers from Isellbags in bazaar
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Posted: Jan 30 2004 at 1:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why would anyone buy a bag from you that is sold off this merchant? https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2366 So you can over charge them, what is so hard about going out and killing stuff to make money, go open a 7/11 if you want to overcharge people??
34 posts
Your forgetting.... some people no matter how much they would like to... have bad faction with those gnomes...
So they cannot go buy the bag themselves. It's nice when someone sells one in the bazaar, it makes it so that all classes/races/levels can easily pick up the bag.
Don't believe me... try gettin a level one dark elf enchanter into sol a to buy that bag.
So they cannot go buy the bag themselves. It's nice when someone sells one in the bazaar, it makes it so that all classes/races/levels can easily pick up the bag.
Don't believe me... try gettin a level one dark elf enchanter into sol a to buy that bag.
30 posts
You ever stop to think (obviously not)that just maybe some people may want the convenience of being able to buy it in bazaar instead of having to run to Solusek, fighting/running down to the gnomes, and then getting out again? Many people whose time it would take to go get it, is worth more than a few 100 plat or so it costs for the convenience factor. Get a clue about economics man.
4 posts
yea, i play a monk main. yea, i would definately love to get this bag. yea, i would definately get more use out of it then any other class due to my restrictions. and most importantly, yea, i'm glad i am in a guild that actually cares about what the members have and help them out. seeing a lot of these posts reminds me what it was like when i started leveling up and something like this was "uber". you can call it whatever you want, but 1 factor remains in the posts i have seen about this item and prolly any other WR bag in the game...greed.
if yer not a monk, you don't understand nor are you expected to. who cares if the monk is over their weight limit, right? it's their problem...not yours. if you are in a lower level guild that has never done a lot of raiding, you don't understand the importance of every class in the game. each class has something to offer the raid at any given time. some offer something much more tangible and immediate (that heal from the cleric and the kei from a chanter) so you understand what their role is early on in your eq career.
warriors tank, wizards nuke and port, shaman buff and slow....all immediate tangible things for you to wrap your mind around and feel that you are getting something from them. monks and anyone else that has ever spent any great deal of time pulling know that it is a thankless job 90% of the time. either you get b!#@^ed at for not getting mobs in camp quick enough, or you get thew same response for havin too many show up...your fault or not. *shrug* such is our life.
why do i say these things? simple. you don;t play the class, so don't act like yer better then them when it comes to what they do. you learn quickly that HPs are very valuable to you as a necro...but you don;t get it without having actually played the class. same for any class...if ya don't play it, save yerself from looking like an intellectual cluster-f*@# and keep your witty retorts to yourself. simple fact, anyone can use it....but monks do get the most benefit from it. take it for what it's worth and leave the rest alone.
if yer not a monk, you don't understand nor are you expected to. who cares if the monk is over their weight limit, right? it's their problem...not yours. if you are in a lower level guild that has never done a lot of raiding, you don't understand the importance of every class in the game. each class has something to offer the raid at any given time. some offer something much more tangible and immediate (that heal from the cleric and the kei from a chanter) so you understand what their role is early on in your eq career.
warriors tank, wizards nuke and port, shaman buff and slow....all immediate tangible things for you to wrap your mind around and feel that you are getting something from them. monks and anyone else that has ever spent any great deal of time pulling know that it is a thankless job 90% of the time. either you get b!#@^ed at for not getting mobs in camp quick enough, or you get thew same response for havin too many show up...your fault or not. *shrug* such is our life.
why do i say these things? simple. you don;t play the class, so don't act like yer better then them when it comes to what they do. you learn quickly that HPs are very valuable to you as a necro...but you don;t get it without having actually played the class. same for any class...if ya don't play it, save yerself from looking like an intellectual cluster-f*@# and keep your witty retorts to yourself. simple fact, anyone can use it....but monks do get the most benefit from it. take it for what it's worth and leave the rest alone.
6 posts
so.....it's the monks job to carry too much crap around? i'm a bit confused...
i play a 65 monk and the weight cap is 24, though with normal gear im still at 14. if you cant stay under the cap you need to take another look at your gear.
if you want something for plat get a very large coin purse, 70% wr to the coins you cary
if you want something for plat get a very large coin purse, 70% wr to the coins you cary
Lets see you fully outfit a character with decent stats and food & drink for under 16lbs. And that's not even taking money, potions, bandages, lightstone (human sight sucks) and whatever else we may need to carry.
Hell, if we carry more then 10 plat it starts to cut into our ac, and a donation for any decent buff should be at least 15 plat.
I understand what many others (particularly those that have posted in reply to this thread) in this topic are saying and I agree. In most groups I've been in, the other members fully understand the needs of various classes. After LDON's I give my share of loot to cleric no matter what. I don't need the money, and the weight does me nothing but trouble and with the money they pay for dots (and most of them never ask for donations from groups) they deserve it.
It's a matter of respect for fellow players and need over greed. Luckily most of the players I work with are of the same opinion.
Allot of you further down are saying that monks are greedy and not team players. Come in a group on the rathe with Blackmire and then judge me. As one person here said "a jerk in rl is a jerk in eq". I take care of my group and all I ask in return is equal respect. If that's too much for some people to give then don't look me up.
Edited, Wed Apr 21 12:04:43 2004
Hell, if we carry more then 10 plat it starts to cut into our ac, and a donation for any decent buff should be at least 15 plat.
I understand what many others (particularly those that have posted in reply to this thread) in this topic are saying and I agree. In most groups I've been in, the other members fully understand the needs of various classes. After LDON's I give my share of loot to cleric no matter what. I don't need the money, and the weight does me nothing but trouble and with the money they pay for dots (and most of them never ask for donations from groups) they deserve it.
It's a matter of respect for fellow players and need over greed. Luckily most of the players I work with are of the same opinion.
Allot of you further down are saying that monks are greedy and not team players. Come in a group on the rathe with Blackmire and then judge me. As one person here said "a jerk in rl is a jerk in eq". I take care of my group and all I ask in return is equal respect. If that's too much for some people to give then don't look me up.
Edited, Wed Apr 21 12:04:43 2004
Well, regarding one issue, the buffs, I have never found a cleric or shaman that minds being paid for buffs in peridots. Buy a stack, carry them with you, can count them off as 10pp each when you donate. I usually throw 3 to a cleric for Virtue, and two to a shaman for FoSouls (extra one for cleric is because their spell consumes a peridot).
Second, The Leatherfoot haversack is a nice 100% weight reducing bag, weighs 0.6, which is not much more than this, and can usually be purchased for 5-6k in bazaar. Also, since they are not lore, you can carry more than 1. personally, I find that 2 bags is the perfect balance of space and weight. If I plan to use throwing items as well, I toss in a very lightweight bag, that holds small items, filled with fishbone darts (forget which bag it is, but the weight is 0.1)
My overall weight, is 16 with my 2hb equipped. At level 51, that even gives me a little extra weight to loot some plat if I am soloing. When I group, I usually just ask to be given some sort of gem as my split, since gems weigh 0.1 and stack.
Second, The Leatherfoot haversack is a nice 100% weight reducing bag, weighs 0.6, which is not much more than this, and can usually be purchased for 5-6k in bazaar. Also, since they are not lore, you can carry more than 1. personally, I find that 2 bags is the perfect balance of space and weight. If I plan to use throwing items as well, I toss in a very lightweight bag, that holds small items, filled with fishbone darts (forget which bag it is, but the weight is 0.1)
My overall weight, is 16 with my 2hb equipped. At level 51, that even gives me a little extra weight to loot some plat if I am soloing. When I group, I usually just ask to be given some sort of gem as my split, since gems weigh 0.1 and stack.
5 posts
I just have a couple of questions about this.
1. What does carrying 10 plat have to do with this bag? It does nothing for plat weight.
2. A rallic pack can easily drop the weight of food/drink down to reasonable levels, so why should a monk need this instead?
3. If you need a lightstone for light it can't be in a bag, so what does it have to do with a weight reduction bag?
4. Bandages are useful if you're a soloing monk, but weight .5 if they're vendor sold, .1 if you make them yourself. Neither will break the bank unless you have really heavy gear. Why can't you stick a few stacks of them in a rallic pack as well as food/water?
Now, all that being said, I have a monk myself (only 33, not nearly high enough to get this) and have no problems managing my weight with nothing but a rallic pack. A level 33 monk's weight limit is lower than whatever level monk would be going after this item, so you should have no trouble whatsoever.
1. What does carrying 10 plat have to do with this bag? It does nothing for plat weight.
2. A rallic pack can easily drop the weight of food/drink down to reasonable levels, so why should a monk need this instead?
3. If you need a lightstone for light it can't be in a bag, so what does it have to do with a weight reduction bag?
4. Bandages are useful if you're a soloing monk, but weight .5 if they're vendor sold, .1 if you make them yourself. Neither will break the bank unless you have really heavy gear. Why can't you stick a few stacks of them in a rallic pack as well as food/water?
Now, all that being said, I have a monk myself (only 33, not nearly high enough to get this) and have no problems managing my weight with nothing but a rallic pack. A level 33 monk's weight limit is lower than whatever level monk would be going after this item, so you should have no trouble whatsoever.
22 posts
So what you're saying is we need to make a warrior first and level him up to 65 so we can buy our way to monk happiness? My monk has been my main from level 1, and I've never had two platinum pieces to run together, because in order to have any coin, you have to loot items and such and run them all the way back to town that minute, or your AC suffers the entire time you're pulling. The whole point we monks are trying to make is that you wouldn't give an all/all BP with 100ac and 30wis to a shadowknight because he likes the AC, you'd first give it to the cleric, because he can and will benefit the most from it. Same with extremely light, 100% WR bags, such as this one: Monks benefit benefit from it more than any other class, period.
To the point that other ppl don't have a clue about WR and it's importance towards for monks. Many ppl do care about WR for monks at least after a certain lvl they all know. But that does not mean that other classes won't bennefit from it, so it ain't exclusive monkright. I have been in several situations where WR item was given to monk 1st. No complaint by any other, on one occasion somebody insisted to roll on a wr bag the rest of the group also decided to go on the roll list and the winning warrior nicely handed it to the monk, as i assume any other groupmember would have done simular except for the chanter who insisted on rolling.
So don't claim that other ppl are clueless, true some ppl are, or are downward greedy but most people are nicely aware of the basic characteristics of most classes in the game and try to live/act according to that knowledge.
So don't claim that other ppl are clueless, true some ppl are, or are downward greedy but most people are nicely aware of the basic characteristics of most classes in the game and try to live/act according to that knowledge.
2 posts
dude.. i play a ranger. i learned early on that monks were good pullers, and i understood the weight limit - even so far as to take all their money till the end when we could both be at a bank and they could get their share and stick it in the bank, where it belongs. i learned early on that necros had few hps/ac, but realized that they offered alot to damage. do i play either? no. i play a ranger, a cleric and a mage.
does that make me understand less the impotance of weight reduction for a monk, or protecting the necro from aggro so s/he can still benifit from the group? no. not everyone is as dense as you think they are. and saying that monks should get first dibs on all WR items is greedy in itself, especially if the group is a roll-on-all group.
quit your griping.
does that make me understand less the impotance of weight reduction for a monk, or protecting the necro from aggro so s/he can still benifit from the group? no. not everyone is as dense as you think they are. and saying that monks should get first dibs on all WR items is greedy in itself, especially if the group is a roll-on-all group.
quit your griping.
if it has coin weight reduction, I'd vote it to a Monk in a heart beat. coins weigh a lot and there really aren't that many weight reduction items for coins (and, yes.. I've seen a monk in group muttering about destroying his coins so he could keep going vs having to head out...). If it's just WR then...
Sorry. That would be greed on the monks part as much as anyone elses. You spend the 5k to 7k or I spend it to buy a Haversack or Bag of the Tinkerers. It's an even deal and the weight difference... If you're high enough level to hunt for this and see it fall, the .5 diff to .9 diff wieght isn't going to break you and if it does, check your other gear before starting to look at a single bag to save you.
Again, if it had coin reduction... MONK should get it over anyone else because 100% weight reduction for coins, to a monk, means more than it does to any other class and you can't just go buy a 100% coin reduction item from a crafter nor vendor. Coin weight is important if you ever want to stick your monk with ML duty... :)
Ciao for now...
Sorry. That would be greed on the monks part as much as anyone elses. You spend the 5k to 7k or I spend it to buy a Haversack or Bag of the Tinkerers. It's an even deal and the weight difference... If you're high enough level to hunt for this and see it fall, the .5 diff to .9 diff wieght isn't going to break you and if it does, check your other gear before starting to look at a single bag to save you.
Again, if it had coin reduction... MONK should get it over anyone else because 100% weight reduction for coins, to a monk, means more than it does to any other class and you can't just go buy a 100% coin reduction item from a crafter nor vendor. Coin weight is important if you ever want to stick your monk with ML duty... :)
Ciao for now...
Scholar
27 posts
Jumping on a random bandwagon w/out reading all the posts <G>:::
I agree that any WR bag definitly benefits monks more than any other class... however, that does not mean it makes the most sense for them to have first choice on any WR item. If you are in a group which elects to roll on items, then accept your roll and move on... not only should you move on, but you should congratulate the winner (even if it's that warrior w/ 210 str) along w/ everyone else. The fact of the matter is that things CONSTANTLY drop which benefit one group member more than another, and the group member which would benefit the most isn't necissarily the one who gets it. If you're in a NBG loot group, or a group where your claiming loot before it drops, monks will probably get this bag, and more power to them... but as a bard, I don't expect to get that nice charisma item just because I'm the second most charisma-fiending class in the game.
That being said; grouping w/ friends rocks because they know you, and know what you need... you yield drops to them which benefit them more, and they do the same for you. This often happens in randomly assembled groups as well; but I do not believe there is a right to expect it.
I agree that any WR bag definitly benefits monks more than any other class... however, that does not mean it makes the most sense for them to have first choice on any WR item. If you are in a group which elects to roll on items, then accept your roll and move on... not only should you move on, but you should congratulate the winner (even if it's that warrior w/ 210 str) along w/ everyone else. The fact of the matter is that things CONSTANTLY drop which benefit one group member more than another, and the group member which would benefit the most isn't necissarily the one who gets it. If you're in a NBG loot group, or a group where your claiming loot before it drops, monks will probably get this bag, and more power to them... but as a bard, I don't expect to get that nice charisma item just because I'm the second most charisma-fiending class in the game.
That being said; grouping w/ friends rocks because they know you, and know what you need... you yield drops to them which benefit them more, and they do the same for you. This often happens in randomly assembled groups as well; but I do not believe there is a right to expect it.
I have rolled on 2 bags as an ogre with 255 str...only because nothing else would have benefit me. Now, if a monk had been in the raid i was on, maybe i woulda not rolled on anything, but was my first dragon swats, and wanted a trophy to show for it. i lost, no trophy. memories...SWEET memories. :)
Good luck on rolls, and hope that the tanks do understand your needs, friend monk.
Ahma Bigmeetshield
52 bashes...and holding? till i get naggy raid.
Saryn server
Good luck on rolls, and hope that the tanks do understand your needs, friend monk.
Ahma Bigmeetshield
52 bashes...and holding? till i get naggy raid.
Saryn server
6 posts
Sorry i just find it all funny :P
My main is an sk But i also have 50 monk a mid 40 cleric and 30ish druid and war. And any one of them would like this bag, and on a open raid i would roll on it with any one of them.
But your a monk ..wahhh.. /cry it helps you more .....cry..... tough I dont know you ,you dont know me I aint here to do you favours. If I roll and I win I keep the bag and you can buy it off me so i can go buy me some real nice greaves or something else I desperatly need.
Greedy maybe to some but in my book its self preservation when I have some obscene amount of money in bank and i dont need anything for my chars ill think about passing up on a couple of K pp to help strangers till then if you aint my freind / guildee i am walking home with my lucky dice and "your" (as almost every monk i met seems to think it should be their bag automaticly) WR bag.
Flame me i prolly wont read the answers cause i realy dont care..........still laughing still find it funny me pass on bag for you ......why /boggle
My main is an sk But i also have 50 monk a mid 40 cleric and 30ish druid and war. And any one of them would like this bag, and on a open raid i would roll on it with any one of them.
But your a monk ..wahhh.. /cry it helps you more .....cry..... tough I dont know you ,you dont know me I aint here to do you favours. If I roll and I win I keep the bag and you can buy it off me so i can go buy me some real nice greaves or something else I desperatly need.
Greedy maybe to some but in my book its self preservation when I have some obscene amount of money in bank and i dont need anything for my chars ill think about passing up on a couple of K pp to help strangers till then if you aint my freind / guildee i am walking home with my lucky dice and "your" (as almost every monk i met seems to think it should be their bag automaticly) WR bag.
Flame me i prolly wont read the answers cause i realy dont care..........still laughing still find it funny me pass on bag for you ......why /boggle
[b][/b]Its a Darn Game people and it is just an Inanimate object in a GAME.
Technically it's not even inanimate in the sense that it's really a few scratches on a disc, The scratches however are inanimate =-Þ
Well, technically it is representation of particles flourescing on the coating on the inside of your monitor as interpreted and communicated by your CPU from electrons sent by readers of laser light bouncing off of a reflective layer in your disc. So, it could be conceived of as an animate object.
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Posted: Apr 21 2003 at 7:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This should be able to go to anyone why? Because just because monks are low on strength and can't carry much does not mean that everyone else can! My ranger has to constantly sell things because he is overweighted and what about wizards, enchanters necromancers and magicians they have low strength if I was getting this and a monk had a problem withit I am sure we could settle it with a duel(looks over starts sharpening warders ornate broadsword)and yes i know i am going to get flamed but guess what I DO NOT CARE!!!!
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Posted: Apr 23 2003 at 4:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Check the stats on the sword
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Posted: Jun 07 2003 at 1:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You monks Are all Greedy Little pukes. Any one Can Benefit from this WR bag. This is the reason: EVERYONE needs LOOT. To make money to buy the Aego and Virtue spells for the Outrageous amount of PP you no Casters sell spells for.. Plus We ALL need PP for GEAR, Regeants and to Enhance our Characters. I would NEVER sell this bag. Give to alt maybe BUT NEVER sell. I could use one as any Character. My mage has a strength of 80 with items and Such.. My gear RARELY weighs .1 or anything low like that.. My encumbrence goes up Fast. ANY ONE WHO HELPS AND CAN USE GETS A CHANCE.. Joo Monks are the Greedy ones, Go BLOW IT OUT YER PIE HOLE... And if you think you should JUST BE GIVEN THIS item, then go KILL Naggy Yourself... If a monk is there and Needs this Item then they should give up a Tinkerers Bag for others, Or else Give up some ITEM of Equal PP Value.. But you monks wouldn't do that Huh.. Because YOUR GREEDY...
24 posts
The reason monks want something like this (and whine if they don't get it) is because we would really like something of this nature. Mainly becuase we have a weight limit. It's not becuase we don't have the strength to carry things, because we do. It's that fact that our AC gets penalized if it is higher than a set weight. You guys think that monks are greedy? Doubtful. Yes, we like things with very low weight, but it doesn't mean that we get it every time. I agree that this would be very good for ANY class, but a monk could BENEFIT from it a little bit more than, say, a pure caster. We're the ones out there taking the hits and we need as much AC as we can get. Flame me all you want, but that's what I think.
Very nice bag and I can't wait till I'm good enough to get something like this.
Edited, Sun Jun 29 19:25:10 2003
Very nice bag and I can't wait till I'm good enough to get something like this.
Edited, Sun Jun 29 19:25:10 2003
31 posts
but monks shouldn't be getting hit least not in a group situation, thats what your real plate wearing tanks are for.
9 posts
monks shouldn't be getting hit? they pull, so they get hit, A LOT. Think about it
Scholar
29 posts
I would have absolutely no problem just letting a monk have this thing. I don't need it, first of all, I've got 16 bank slots and if I need to reduce my weight, i'll just bind, port to PoK, slap stuff in the bank, and gate back to where I was. What need do I really have for this thing? Sure, it's a nice item, but I don't actually need it. Also, if I don't wanna port away and I feel i'm encumbered, I'll just get a mage to summon me up a WR bag, no big deal. The other thing is, if the monk's got this, he's gonna have to be healed less often, plain and simple. Besides, I'd never think a monk greedy. Don't know how many times i've partnered up with a monk and been told, "Turn of the autosplit, please." or "No, just take the loot, I don't want any." It always kinda made me feel bad looting EVERYTHING. I'm happy to let a monk have this, I wouldn't even roll against him. He needs it, he'll use it, and he probably deserves it for all the loot he's given up to others over time.
You seem to have missed the point - monks have a unique disability which means if they are overweighted (we're talking above about 20 here), then their AC starts to get utterly destroyed. Not quite the same as running a bit slower. Which isn't to say I disagree with you, as the post below shows.
O, and although I'm quite looking forward to being in a position to dual a particular monk on my server sometime, I don't have any delusions that it would be easy. Ranger vs Monk in melee is a pretty one-sided fight, so the only real chance is to root/snare and bash them from afar, and if you're having a fight after a Naggy raid, I'm pretty sure his resists will be up enough to break those quite easily. Just an FYI before you get yourself killed =)
O, and although I'm quite looking forward to being in a position to dual a particular monk on my server sometime, I don't have any delusions that it would be easy. Ranger vs Monk in melee is a pretty one-sided fight, so the only real chance is to root/snare and bash them from afar, and if you're having a fight after a Naggy raid, I'm pretty sure his resists will be up enough to break those quite easily. Just an FYI before you get yourself killed =)
This shouldn't even be an argument. Always ask the raid leader what the loot rules are before you go on the raid. If you don't like them, don't go. If you don't like your guild rules, change guilds. See, easy.
By the way, I have another theory as to why people aren't so keen to bow down to monks over items like this. Big generalisation coming up, so don't flame, just interested to see if others have had a similar experience.
Almost all the monks I've ever met, I didn't like. They tended to either be very annoying in a group (running around pulling things without saying to practice feign death, not listening to anyone else because they thought they could take anything) or real selfish ***** to be around when soloing. The only KSers I have EVER met have been monks, for example.
Now this could just be my bad luck, or the server, etc - or it could be that certain types of people like to play certain classes. Druids and Clerics tend to be rather generous and helpful (they have to be really, they'd go mad with all the people asking them for help otherwise), Warriors can rush in where angels fear, and I've met lots of loner, soloish people playing Rangers (myself included). Just like evil characters sometimes like to RP being, well...evil, people tend to pick a character which suits THEIR character. And in my experience, I've met a lot of monks I didn't like. This doesn't mean that I'm going to hold a grude against every new monk I ever meet, but it does mean I tend to be more wary of them, and certainly if I'm on a raid with a monk that's KSed from me previously, or got groups I've been in killed, I'm not going to feel too beholden to him if a WR bag comes up. Maybe that's just my ranger mentality, perhaps if I was a drood or cleric I'd be more magnanimous =)
Anyway that's my 2 cp, etc - is this just me?
EDIT: I have now met some superb monks inside my guild, one of them being the GL, who have showed me what playing that class is all about, and are great players all round. I've also met a cleric who refused to rez a group member after a wipe because he didn't like him...which just go to show there are always exceptions ;-)
Edited, Wed Oct 1 10:38:22 2003
By the way, I have another theory as to why people aren't so keen to bow down to monks over items like this. Big generalisation coming up, so don't flame, just interested to see if others have had a similar experience.
Almost all the monks I've ever met, I didn't like. They tended to either be very annoying in a group (running around pulling things without saying to practice feign death, not listening to anyone else because they thought they could take anything) or real selfish ***** to be around when soloing. The only KSers I have EVER met have been monks, for example.
Now this could just be my bad luck, or the server, etc - or it could be that certain types of people like to play certain classes. Druids and Clerics tend to be rather generous and helpful (they have to be really, they'd go mad with all the people asking them for help otherwise), Warriors can rush in where angels fear, and I've met lots of loner, soloish people playing Rangers (myself included). Just like evil characters sometimes like to RP being, well...evil, people tend to pick a character which suits THEIR character. And in my experience, I've met a lot of monks I didn't like. This doesn't mean that I'm going to hold a grude against every new monk I ever meet, but it does mean I tend to be more wary of them, and certainly if I'm on a raid with a monk that's KSed from me previously, or got groups I've been in killed, I'm not going to feel too beholden to him if a WR bag comes up. Maybe that's just my ranger mentality, perhaps if I was a drood or cleric I'd be more magnanimous =)
Anyway that's my 2 cp, etc - is this just me?
EDIT: I have now met some superb monks inside my guild, one of them being the GL, who have showed me what playing that class is all about, and are great players all round. I've also met a cleric who refused to rez a group member after a wipe because he didn't like him...which just go to show there are always exceptions ;-)
Edited, Wed Oct 1 10:38:22 2003
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Not sure about your KS comments. I dont think a monk has ever KSed me before. I can outdmg them every mob i pull. Sure they dont have to med up after the mob is down, but i still got the kill i wanted. Only people that can really KS me is pure casters. Wiz, Mage, Chant, Necro, even droods are pretty dang powerfull. I as a shaman dont got the fire power to out nuke all them, but i swear, every time a melee has tried to KS i pull out the guns and get the kill. Plain and simple, you shouldnt be getting KSed from a monk.
That being said, there are only 3 classes i will duo with. SK, War, and Monk. SK for the fact that they make great pullers and have the hp to tank most mobs after i slow. Wars for almost the same reasons, cept i pull when i am with a war. And monks from the sheer out put of dmg they can produce after i have buffed them, and crippled the mob. Must be your server, but on TZ monks are pretty damn cool. Being from TZ and being a pureist, as in i play the way the server was inteded (teams) those 3 choices of a partner is all the dark races really get anyway. Rogs can get added in too, but they really dont got the hp or the dmg mitigation skills to take a beating in a fight.
Just a little something to think about. Personally i think you should just find more grown up people to grp with, sounds like a maturity issue with some of the monks you speak of.
Phattey Dump <New Sabilisan Army>
<65th Prophet of Cazic-Thule> {Tallon Zek Server}
**EDIT**
magelo link being stupid atm, sorry :)
Edited, Thu Dec 18 21:05:40 2003
That being said, there are only 3 classes i will duo with. SK, War, and Monk. SK for the fact that they make great pullers and have the hp to tank most mobs after i slow. Wars for almost the same reasons, cept i pull when i am with a war. And monks from the sheer out put of dmg they can produce after i have buffed them, and crippled the mob. Must be your server, but on TZ monks are pretty damn cool. Being from TZ and being a pureist, as in i play the way the server was inteded (teams) those 3 choices of a partner is all the dark races really get anyway. Rogs can get added in too, but they really dont got the hp or the dmg mitigation skills to take a beating in a fight.
Just a little something to think about. Personally i think you should just find more grown up people to grp with, sounds like a maturity issue with some of the monks you speak of.
Phattey Dump <New Sabilisan Army>
<65th Prophet of Cazic-Thule> {Tallon Zek Server}
**EDIT**
magelo link being stupid atm, sorry :)
Edited, Thu Dec 18 21:05:40 2003
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Boy, i haven't met a monk that i could even stand yet. Well, we have two good ones in our guild, but the average monk is a stupid annoying git and wastes space on my /ignore list after i "let" them wipe a party. I would, if i didn't know tha monk roll against them on an item like this JUST to keep it from them, and since i am on FV, i'd give it to a guild monk that was worth her weight in gold.
Just another pissed-off victim of stupid monks.
PS: There are alot of other stupid people on my /ignore list as well. It just SEEMS that monks are the most anti-group toons out there
Just another pissed-off victim of stupid monks.
PS: There are alot of other stupid people on my /ignore list as well. It just SEEMS that monks are the most anti-group toons out there
I thought I was the only one who noticed the trend of people taking on their characters. Even a bit too much, occasionally. I have the same regard to monks, they seem to be real ***** when it comes to KSing, whether they are in groups or soloing. I play an Enchanter, and I am not sure if I am drawn to it because I have a personality like an enchanter or if I have gained the mentality playing one, but I am more charismatic and goofy when playing that person that I ever was when I played my old Paladin on The Rather Server so long ago. As the Paladin I tried to keep everything fair and save people who needed saving, though I guess I continue that on Ezadaan the Enchanter.
In fact, a person I know in RL plays a monk as his main, and he is real real **** about not showing respect in RL and in EQ, and even moreso in EQ does he do things that he SHOULD know make him look like a jerk, which he is. Weird thing is, he loves playing a monk more than his alts because he can do that...
Every priest class player I have grouped with are really helpful, as you said. The only exception to this are droods. No, not druids, but droods. They are MEAN, and I am sure people have ran into one before. They basically act like the one in the comic at www.wtfcomics.com, if you need an example. I will go even farther into that by saying that almost every rogue I have grouped with, save Barbarians, are very sneaky and love, LOVE, to ninja loot. That seems to go with other classes as well, such as Beastlord players don't like grouping near big cities, nor do they like to pull animal mobs if they have a choice.
BTW, I have never been KSed by a Paladin, Cleric, Beastlord, or Magician. I guess they are the cream of the gamer crop when it comes to decency, and their choice of class reflects that. Hats off to all of the players that keep the game civilized.
In fact, a person I know in RL plays a monk as his main, and he is real real **** about not showing respect in RL and in EQ, and even moreso in EQ does he do things that he SHOULD know make him look like a jerk, which he is. Weird thing is, he loves playing a monk more than his alts because he can do that...
Every priest class player I have grouped with are really helpful, as you said. The only exception to this are droods. No, not druids, but droods. They are MEAN, and I am sure people have ran into one before. They basically act like the one in the comic at www.wtfcomics.com, if you need an example. I will go even farther into that by saying that almost every rogue I have grouped with, save Barbarians, are very sneaky and love, LOVE, to ninja loot. That seems to go with other classes as well, such as Beastlord players don't like grouping near big cities, nor do they like to pull animal mobs if they have a choice.
BTW, I have never been KSed by a Paladin, Cleric, Beastlord, or Magician. I guess they are the cream of the gamer crop when it comes to decency, and their choice of class reflects that. Hats off to all of the players that keep the game civilized.
Scholar
27 posts
Ahh good. I was hoping I wasn't the only person to notice this trend. While there ARE exceptions to this, it DOES seem that people who play solo classes prefer to keep away from others, people who play group-dependent classes are quite charismatic, y'know, "people" people, and those folks who play classes that can group OR solo with about the same effectiveness are just like their classes, adaptable, glad to help when they can and quietly accepting of their solo grounds when they can't find a group. I personally play classes mentioned in this debate: a monk, a mage, a cleric and a rogue. As noted, I'm very flexible in what I do with my mage. (I wouldn't call myself "cream of the gamer crop" but I guess that's just me not wanting to hype myself) I've often dropped what I'm doing to travel halfway across the world to rez people, frequently refusing payment or feeling almost like I've ripped them off when they offer me a small bit of cash or a 'dot to cover buffs. But, contrary to some of the generalizations I've seen, not saying that these are incorrect because I've seen many many cases of it myself, when playing my monk I nearly ALWAYS pass on loot, whether it be coin, items or whatnot. Thankfully, my roommate plays a paladin and he carries loot for me so it's not like I don't get anything at all, but I'll often pass on a turn to loot or, if I should accidentally loot a mob, I'll pass what coin I picked up to one of the group's casters since they can put it toward spells, the ever-present money-hole. To further contradict the generalizations, I take great care not to ninja with my rogue because it's such a bad habit that people who play the class get into. I'll only loot when everyone else has had a fair chance to get to the corpse to loot it, tanks, pullers, casters and all, usually waiting until the corpse is half rotted before approaching it.
Again, not saying these generalizations are complete BS, because I've seen them all over, just adding my 2 cents I guess.
/applaud those who know the roles and limits of the classes out there
/sigh at everyone who sees WR or a certain stat and screams "It's a <insert class here> item!"
True, there are lots of items out there that DO benefit certain classes more than others, but that doesn't mean it's tailor-made JUST for that class. If some other class can and WILL use it, be a fair sport and don't scream NGB right off the bat just because you know it'll get you that item that you don't REALLY need more than you just really WANT.
Cathartic Soulgriever Templar of the 59th Salvation
Maeraeven Olath`Mithuth Elementalist of the 52nd Summoning
Danadeny oirnaVlos'rothe Monk of the 36th Meditation
E'Ci
Again, not saying these generalizations are complete BS, because I've seen them all over, just adding my 2 cents I guess.
/applaud those who know the roles and limits of the classes out there
/sigh at everyone who sees WR or a certain stat and screams "It's a <insert class here> item!"
True, there are lots of items out there that DO benefit certain classes more than others, but that doesn't mean it's tailor-made JUST for that class. If some other class can and WILL use it, be a fair sport and don't scream NGB right off the bat just because you know it'll get you that item that you don't REALLY need more than you just really WANT.
Cathartic Soulgriever Templar of the 59th Salvation
Maeraeven Olath`Mithuth Elementalist of the 52nd Summoning
Danadeny oirnaVlos'rothe Monk of the 36th Meditation
E'Ci
Priestess Cathartic Soulgriever, Priestess of the 75th Salvation
Kayotik Phantasmagorya, Deathcaller of the 78th Desecration
Fateseer Tymeless Bloodsacrifice, Oracle of the 69th Ritual
~Let honor be your sword, your shield and your cloak; let the proud save face and you will go far~
Kayotik Phantasmagorya, Deathcaller of the 78th Desecration
Fateseer Tymeless Bloodsacrifice, Oracle of the 69th Ritual
~Let honor be your sword, your shield and your cloak; let the proud save face and you will go far~
Oh, come on people. You have to be smarter than this. It is not the class that creates the player, it is the player that creates the class. If a person is an ***hole in RL, he/she will be an ***hole in anything he/she does, including EQ, reguardless of what kind of character they choose to play. Lets say one of these malicious monks has a Cleric alt. Do you think that when he logs his monk and brings in his cleric that he is all of a sudden a different, caring, condsiderate person? No, he's still the same jerk.
While some classes may give an *** the oportunity to be an even bigger ***, you shouldn't classify all of that class in that way. I've seen chanters refuse a friend of mine C3 because their *DONATION* wasn't big enough at 10pp (key word their is donation, as in, voluntary). As has been said above, clerics refusing to res after a wipe. But then I've also met chanters who would C3 one of my alts when I was broke, and clerics that traveled across four zones to res me, free.
Yeah, my main is a monk, and I suppose part of this post is in defense of my favorite class, but hey, you will probably never even come back this page and read this message anyway. I just felt like I had to refute such a rediculous assumption.
While some classes may give an *** the oportunity to be an even bigger ***, you shouldn't classify all of that class in that way. I've seen chanters refuse a friend of mine C3 because their *DONATION* wasn't big enough at 10pp (key word their is donation, as in, voluntary). As has been said above, clerics refusing to res after a wipe. But then I've also met chanters who would C3 one of my alts when I was broke, and clerics that traveled across four zones to res me, free.
Yeah, my main is a monk, and I suppose part of this post is in defense of my favorite class, but hey, you will probably never even come back this page and read this message anyway. I just felt like I had to refute such a rediculous assumption.
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Posted: Apr 09 2003 at 7:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes everyone can use this, but a lot of items are usable by all/all. Just becuase I am a paladin or ranger and there is a 20wis ring that drops does that mean I should get it over a cleric, shaman, or druid? I can use the wisdom... but no, I most likely would not get it nor would I want to take it from a priest class who can put the wisdom to MUCH better use. I think the same holds true for this bag and monks... sure anyone can use it, but monks get the MOST use out of it there fore they should have first dibs. Anyone who thinks differently is really just being greedy.
I just got this Bag sunday it is very nice. to all those people who say it should go to a monk the monks had just as much chance as i did to get it so to bad for them. hey and they picked the class not me so go cry some where else.
It is useable by everyone. so everyone should roll on it, if you really want it...WORK for it, go back and hit naggy again the next week, and the week after that. it took me 4 hate raids to get the SEoC for my rangers epic. so if you want this bag, keep at it til you get it if its that important to you.
If it's a closed raid, and monks are present, it SHOULD go to the monks.
Does a warrior with 255str benefit from a weight redux bag? Not really.
Does a monk who can carry no more than 15 stones of weight without suffering a significant loss in AC benefit from a weight redux bag, especially one that only weighs 0.4? Yes.
Which is the most benefit to a guild? A warrior who is at 75/255 weight? Or a monk at 14/255 weight?
Yeah, weight redux bags are spiffy for non-monks. My main's a wizzy, and I love my rallic pack. But I'd rather see an amazing bag like this go to a monk than my wizzy any day, if it were a closed raid.
Open raids, would be nice to see that kind of respect for the monks, but it rarely, if ever, happens.
If I were to organize an open raid on a dragon, I'd let people know up front... need before green, as well as need before mere convenience. Haste items to melees, caster items to casters, weight redux bags to monks.
If nothing drops for your class, don't whine about it. It happens a lot. Not everyone's gonna walk out of that raid with a shiney new toy.
Yes, my signature shows I have a monk, but I've always held this philosophy. It's one thing to talk about a nec/wiz/mag/enc drop and say "It has cha, it should only go to the chanter" or "It has HP, it should only go to the necro"... that, I don't agree with.
But c'mon... this is a bag... it doesn't give you any stats. It's pretty easy to go after a rallic pack, or a few other quest or easily dropped WR bags. Unfortunately, a lot of them weigh 3.0, which sucks for a monk.
100% weight redux and 0.4 weight screams monk.
Edited, Sat Mar 15 14:03:46 2003
Does a warrior with 255str benefit from a weight redux bag? Not really.
Does a monk who can carry no more than 15 stones of weight without suffering a significant loss in AC benefit from a weight redux bag, especially one that only weighs 0.4? Yes.
Which is the most benefit to a guild? A warrior who is at 75/255 weight? Or a monk at 14/255 weight?
Yeah, weight redux bags are spiffy for non-monks. My main's a wizzy, and I love my rallic pack. But I'd rather see an amazing bag like this go to a monk than my wizzy any day, if it were a closed raid.
Open raids, would be nice to see that kind of respect for the monks, but it rarely, if ever, happens.
If I were to organize an open raid on a dragon, I'd let people know up front... need before green, as well as need before mere convenience. Haste items to melees, caster items to casters, weight redux bags to monks.
If nothing drops for your class, don't whine about it. It happens a lot. Not everyone's gonna walk out of that raid with a shiney new toy.
Yes, my signature shows I have a monk, but I've always held this philosophy. It's one thing to talk about a nec/wiz/mag/enc drop and say "It has cha, it should only go to the chanter" or "It has HP, it should only go to the necro"... that, I don't agree with.
But c'mon... this is a bag... it doesn't give you any stats. It's pretty easy to go after a rallic pack, or a few other quest or easily dropped WR bags. Unfortunately, a lot of them weigh 3.0, which sucks for a monk.
100% weight redux and 0.4 weight screams monk.
Edited, Sat Mar 15 14:03:46 2003
Scholar
24 posts
I have to agree with the people who say items should be rolled for by everybody. A particular character may not be able to get the most benefit from a particular item (your warrior with this satchel in your example), but that same warrior can trade the satchel for a nice warrior type item. Perhaps he could even trade it to the same salivating monk you write of :)
Scholar
22 posts
Well hell with your type of reasoning, if an item has cha it should go to chanters, and if it has hp it should go to the necro. Don't say you don't believe in those, cause it's the same way with that bag you so think should only go to monks. enough said
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Besides, monks on dragon raids have more than 15 stones weight limit without suffering. LOL, 16 or 17, isn't it?
If you don't like the raid to be open roll for anyone, start your own raid and make it whoever you choose to have the item gets it lol. I wouldnt mind having it to sell.... damn i'm so broke :(
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Edited, Sat Mar 15 14:24:32 2003
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Edited, Sat Mar 15 14:23:52 2003
Why is it always open season on druids. Sure you can play a monk great but no one class is better than another. Monks may be pretty killer in melee but us druids can hold our own thank you very much. It's the player and not the pawns.
I guess this little halfling druid will have to remember the boastful monk when I sell my cultural weight reduction packs.
I guess this little halfling druid will have to remember the boastful monk when I sell my cultural weight reduction packs.
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Agree entirely. Druids aint blessed with huge STR, and when carrying coin/items from fighting around, I soon get encumbered, specially if the banks full of TS/Quest items. Monks aint special, any class could benefit from this. Monks complain too damn much
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Monks, get your head out of your ***'s. This bag was NOT made FOR monks. ANYONE who says this bag should be defaulted to a MONK is plain out greedy. Monks do NOT get the most benefit from this bag, ANY class gets JUST as much of a benefit from it. It is YOUR responsiblitiy to keep your weight low as far as equipment goes. This bag CANNOT be equipped. NUFF SAID. And you monks wonder why you get nerfed every other week.
You try carring around various weapons that weigh a ton in a backpack when keeping your weight under 20...*sigh*
This is my take on it. I am a Monk. He is my highest character. If I were to kill Nagafen on a raid, and this bag dropped, I am more than willing to let everyone lotto on this bag. I do NOT think this should be only allowed for Monks. It is a very good item, yes, but anyone can use it. If they helped kill Nagafen, they can roll on the bag if they want!
I participated in a Vox raid last week, and my friend won Kavruul's Magic Pouch, and he traded me for my Tink Bag, (Which I appreciated all-too much) so some people will gladly trade for a Tink Bag. But this item should NOT be Monk only lotto, everyone can roll!!
How's that for Selfishness?
Gesthal Vecter - 48 Monk of Xegony
I participated in a Vox raid last week, and my friend won Kavruul's Magic Pouch, and he traded me for my Tink Bag, (Which I appreciated all-too much) so some people will gladly trade for a Tink Bag. But this item should NOT be Monk only lotto, everyone can roll!!
How's that for Selfishness?
Gesthal Vecter - 48 Monk of Xegony
should we monks than also be allowed to roll for the eyepatch ?
I could use the 15 WIS for my tradeskills :D
cu,
I could use the 15 WIS for my tradeskills :D
cu,
yes you should roll on the eyepatch. hell as far as i know you have a wiz alt or need the 30k or so that you get from selling it. you kill the dragon you roll on the loot <epic pieces exception to that rule>
just as a note Monks are the only Class i see on boards complaining that THERE class must have this item, rare to find a Monk who isn't me me me so thanks to thosee that aren't 8o)
Jarkeld Hammerhiem <Darkstorm Dragons>
Druzzil Ro Server
Cavalier of Brell <52nd sphere>
oh if you think Monks are hard done by compair the pally epic to the rest BOY oh BOY it sux's
just as a note Monks are the only Class i see on boards complaining that THERE class must have this item, rare to find a Monk who isn't me me me so thanks to thosee that aren't 8o)
Jarkeld Hammerhiem <Darkstorm Dragons>
Druzzil Ro Server
Cavalier of Brell <52nd sphere>
oh if you think Monks are hard done by compair the pally epic to the rest BOY oh BOY it sux's
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Posted: Sep 21 2002 at 3:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Edited, Sat Sep 21 16:43:28 2002
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Posted: Sep 21 2002 at 3:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is CLEARLY an enchanter item.
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Posted: Sep 02 2002 at 4:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tell you what, for all of you people who think that your non-monk should be able to roll on this when it drops at a raid, good luck on getting anywhere in the game. If I rolled on every item I could concievably use (I'm a monk), you guys would get a heck of a lot less gear.
12 posts
Tonight I just won this item, and I am a paladin. Not a monk. Therefore I am selfish? MY winning this pack simply allows me to trade for a bag of the tinkerers that I dont need to pay for, ya I don't mind the .6 pound difference, and I immediately after getting the loot, recieved a tell from an ally guild member asking to trade. My reply was of course, a MONK ended up with this satchel while i ended up with a Bag of the Tinkerers.
Now I ask you, how am I selfish? Because I wanted to loot an awesome bag and in turn not have to pay the 5k for a tink bag?
Clearly you have not thought this an option to what some of what any class otu there resorts to, but rather not get past your own nose that maybe someone else will just loot it and keep it from you the monk. Quit whining, your simply wrong on many lvls, this being one of em.
As to the folks out there who have looted and are not a tank? maybe now with this option you will take it in to effect and make that trade with a fellow friend or guildie monk.
Prinden Coralhopper
Quellious
Now I ask you, how am I selfish? Because I wanted to loot an awesome bag and in turn not have to pay the 5k for a tink bag?
Clearly you have not thought this an option to what some of what any class otu there resorts to, but rather not get past your own nose that maybe someone else will just loot it and keep it from you the monk. Quit whining, your simply wrong on many lvls, this being one of em.
As to the folks out there who have looted and are not a tank? maybe now with this option you will take it in to effect and make that trade with a fellow friend or guildie monk.
Prinden Coralhopper
Quellious
38 posts
The only class who really shouldn't roll on this is mage. :)
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I fail to see the classification of how this should be limited to a few classes...its a bag...gives WR...Giant size...anyone could use it. Fact is not many bags out there that are Giant, have 100%WR and not arent lore, short of a Tink bag. If an item was meant to be for a certain class it would say Class only.
The argument you make (i.e. monks should get an item because they need weight reduction more) would apply to any weight reduction item in the game. The logical conclusion is that only monks should get weight reduction items because they need them the most. No one thinks that about any other weight reduction item in the game. You list several weight reduction items, none of which fall in anyone's mind as "monk only". Your own list says your argument is wrong. Maybe that is why you resort to personal attacks by calling other players "selfish". It seems to me that a player who says only he should get the best loot is the selfish one. I understand, however, my kids resort to personal attacks when they have a bad argument, too.
Anybody can use this item just like ANYONE can purchase as many tinkerer bags as they need. It seems MUCH easier to come up with the 5k for a tinkerer's bag if you'are a monk in Sol B then it would be to go to a raid and HOPE it drops.
That's up to interpretation..but it's not set in stone. I don't see this listed Monk Only, and I don't aggree with your ascertation that only monks should be allowed to loot it ... on open raids.
However, a guild or alliance raid is a whole different beast. If you are able to improve one member you improve the whole, and yes, weight reduction is the most important stat for a monk. No other class can claim it helps them more. So, if you are a raid or guild leader and one of your most senior tanks is a monk, you'd likely reward him/her with this item when it dropped as it would improve the guild as a whole.
However, a guild or alliance raid is a whole different beast. If you are able to improve one member you improve the whole, and yes, weight reduction is the most important stat for a monk. No other class can claim it helps them more. So, if you are a raid or guild leader and one of your most senior tanks is a monk, you'd likely reward him/her with this item when it dropped as it would improve the guild as a whole.
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That paladin has the right idea. anyone that wins this can trade it with a monk for a slightly heavier wr bag. Any monk that values WR should already have spent the 5k on one of the various 100% bags/boxes. IF a monk wants this bag they better be happy to cough up anohter bag for the other classes on the raid imo. if they don't think thats a good deal obviously they don't value wieight reduction that much. Like the above person said, anyone that claims a item should only go to their class when clearly other people also benefit hugely from it, is selfish.
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I dont know why he did it but i was lvl 6 at the time and a warrior just walked up to me and gave it to me. I am quitting my monk and want to know what it sells for. The prices given in the description here arent always that good so i dont want to get ripped off. Thanks in advance
Call me crazy, but if someone gave you the item, out of kindness, shouldn't greed be put to the side for one moment in recognition of kharma, or whatever? If you have no further use for the item, and are going to quit your monk anyway, pass it on, pay it forward, whatever you want to call it, but be as generous to others as they are to you.
Just MHO
/shrug
Halicia Nattreise
50th Cleric
Ancients of the Realm
Vazaelle Server.
Edited, Thu Aug 15 00:36:46 2002
Just MHO
/shrug
Halicia Nattreise
50th Cleric
Ancients of the Realm
Vazaelle Server.
Edited, Thu Aug 15 00:36:46 2002
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Amen, brother, and I say again, amen. Wish more players would use this type of thinking.
This bag was given out as a reward from a GM Event on Vazaelle tonight. One happy little camper here.
I won this off Naggy and almost immediately I got a tell from some anon monk (assumedly) who wanted to give me a Tranix Crown and his old tink bag for it. By that time I had given it to my friend who was the only Monk on the raid so it wasnt mine to give. 5-10 minutes later I got tells from two more monks who wanted it. And my level 60 Cleric friend wanted to buy it from me for her level 60 Monk friend. I had given it away of course... but she said it would be worth 50k easily and would have given me a Lodi Shield and some other stuff for it. I would have loved to get that shield but oh well, my Monk friend is happy and as long as he doesnt sell it im happy, and maybe he will give it back to me one day *pray*
Why is this any better than a tinker bag (except for the 1 wt the tinker bags weights)?
Huga, there's your answer - the 1 stone weight difference. To a non-monk, one is nothing. To a monk who must keep their weight between 14 and 16 (depending on their level), 1 stone is a lot.
Level 1-14: <15 No Penalty
Level 15-29: <16 No Penalty
Level 30-44: <17 No Penalty
Level 45-50: <18 No Penalty
Level 51-54: <19 No Penalty
Level 55-59: <21 No Penalty
Level 60: <25 No Penalty.
therefor a bag of the thinkers is fine, since what is .6 weight, but hey, why throw extra weight on?
Level 15-29: <16 No Penalty
Level 30-44: <17 No Penalty
Level 45-50: <18 No Penalty
Level 51-54: <19 No Penalty
Level 55-59: <21 No Penalty
Level 60: <25 No Penalty.
therefor a bag of the thinkers is fine, since what is .6 weight, but hey, why throw extra weight on?
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 17 2002 at 1:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok mr 51 monk. Tinks bags are realy nice, yes, but this bags owns a tinks. And no, since this exists, the tinks bag is not good enough for monks, we want the lowest weight period. I use 4 tinks bags, thats 4stone out of my 24 weight allowance. If i were to get 4 of these bags it would be 1.6 stone ....that saves me 2.4 stone thats ALOT. 10% of my allowance. i want 4 of these and have zero. /cry anyways dont talk crap about this bag ppl its the best in game for monks.
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wow 4 lore backpacks, whew your good.
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If i were to get 4 of these bags it would be 1.6 stone ....that saves me 2.4 stone thats ALOT.
These are LORE items. You only get one. Sorry Velk.
Umm 1 stone = 14 lbs
Actually no monks dont want the 'lowest weight possible', they simply need to stay under their limit. Although i like to keep it as low as possible, because then i dont have to worry about adding new gear (such as my new guard captain's mallet, 5lbs, 6 maybe, i forget). Oh and if you didnt notice they are lore, so you will never have four of them (on one charecter).
On another note, they arnt 'very rare' as is marked there, unless thats off nagafen. I have killed ragefire 4 times, and in that time we have gotten 1, 3, 1, 3 T-hunters bags.
On another note, they arnt 'very rare' as is marked there, unless thats off nagafen. I have killed ragefire 4 times, and in that time we have gotten 1, 3, 1, 3 T-hunters bags.
One More Question, Can Some Stuff Fall Out Of This Bag? Cause It Says CONTAINER: Open!
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Container says open because the person who took the picture had opened it
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