Hammer of Holy Vengeance
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Planes of PowerWe've been clearing PoTime for months now with zero drops of this hammer. We also haven't seen the druid orb once, although some have referred to that as "common" - oh well :/
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I had asked this in the cleric chat channel but thought it could use a better explination. This weapon have a proc rate mod of 630%. since it also has a type 8 slot on it, would a proc aug also get the rate mod of 630? Im assuming that mod is for the weapon itself and not just the proc on it.
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Just curious, but does this even drop anymore? Been doing Time for about 4 months now, and haven't seen a single one.
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Dropped first time for our guild(2nd kill) today =)
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Vallon Zek 2.0 dropped one on 1/5/05 on bertox...
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This Item does include a group heal, and the amount of the heal is 116 per person. This item seems to proc once every 4-6 seconds, so you do the math.
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Actually, the proc is a 75-150dd just like the cleric summoned hammer. It also includes the group heal of 61 per person. When you crit the heal it turns out to be 122, so that may be what people are thinking of. This hammer procs a ton. You will be spammed horribly by the proc message with a full group ;)
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IIRC, this hammer also procs a grp heal. An upgrade to Blackstar, Mace of Night. I could be wrong, but I do remember xping in Earth with another cleric and when she was meleeing that thing was proccing like crazy. I think it's a 160 hp heal.
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Posted: May 27 2004 at 12:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are completely wrong.
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Not exactly. It does proc a group heal.
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Eman play yer main an stay off yer alt! :P
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Well I am a 65 cleric on TT that loves to melee when I am in xp groups. I also play my (now) 52 ranger a lot and have a small issue when I see a 56 or higher cleric not meleeing, because at that point they have a self buff that adds mana regen and a hammer that procs like mad. The added DPS doesnt seem like a lot, but it makes kills faster which in turns means he has to heal less per fight and makes XP flow more quickly. If you dont like those things (more DPS, less healing per mob, and more XP) than pls dont ever ask me to group.
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OK,
First of all Eman, as a non-cleric class, it is great to see a cleric get up in a true dps classes way and do their 145 hp proc and maybe hit for 2 dmg (undead excluded) so that the melee can't get close enough to hit the mob, when they can probably proc for 76 to 125+ and duel wield plus hit the mob for 65 to 265+. Yes, I have seen a cleric unshrunk on a horse in BoT keeping everyone else from hitting the mob just cause she felt like she wasnt doing enough just healing.
Alos, I have been in groups that a cleric will get up and melee and then bodies start hitting the floor because they can't pay attention to the correct timing on heals.
There are classes that are made to get up there and get into the mix and some are not ... yes that hammer is awesome but what makes an awesome cleric isnt how much she tries to do to please everyone elses concerns on what they think a cleric should be I would think keeping the group alive is more important.
I would think of it more along the lines of hrm.... wonder if I can actually get a cleric to group with my whiney butt today, rather than thinking you will be the hubb of the group...
First of all Eman, as a non-cleric class, it is great to see a cleric get up in a true dps classes way and do their 145 hp proc and maybe hit for 2 dmg (undead excluded) so that the melee can't get close enough to hit the mob, when they can probably proc for 76 to 125+ and duel wield plus hit the mob for 65 to 265+. Yes, I have seen a cleric unshrunk on a horse in BoT keeping everyone else from hitting the mob just cause she felt like she wasnt doing enough just healing.
Alos, I have been in groups that a cleric will get up and melee and then bodies start hitting the floor because they can't pay attention to the correct timing on heals.
There are classes that are made to get up there and get into the mix and some are not ... yes that hammer is awesome but what makes an awesome cleric isnt how much she tries to do to please everyone elses concerns on what they think a cleric should be I would think keeping the group alive is more important.
I would think of it more along the lines of hrm.... wonder if I can actually get a cleric to group with my whiney butt today, rather than thinking you will be the hubb of the group...
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First of all Eman, as a non-cleric class, it is great to see a cleric get up in a true dps classes way and do their 145 hp proc and maybe hit for 2 dmg (undead excluded) so that the melee can't get close enough to hit the mob, when they can probably proc for 76 to 125+ and duel wield plus hit the mob for 65 to 265+. Yes, I have seen a cleric unshrunk on a horse in BoT keeping everyone else from hitting the mob just cause she felt like she wasnt doing enough just healing.
Um.. if yer in an exp group and can't fit six toons around a mob, even with the cleric on a horse, it's time to learn that shrink is your friend. I'm all for clerics beating down a mob, and don't knock that 150pt proc.. as often as it procs, it can add up toa lot by the end of a fight. Granted, the cleric shouldn't be meleeing if the yare having to heal a LOT, but seriously, casting a CH every 20 seconds or so is the most gawdawful boring thing... and if they can help kill the mob quicker, by all means let them. The "bodies hitting the floor" is a worst case scenario, and I personally have NEVER had this problem... and unless we are in a hard LDoN, on a raid, or in GoD trials the clerics in my group almost always melee...
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Last line is in reference to your ranger not grouping with certain clerics that do not melee.
I really dont understand how you can idolize yourself that much to leave a post about it.
Clerics are getting few and far between .. I mean look at you, You are playing your ranger alt.
I am not gonna make a post making a cleric feel as tho if she is not up there meleeing that she isnt accepted into my group.
I really dont understand how you can idolize yourself that much to leave a post about it.
Clerics are getting few and far between .. I mean look at you, You are playing your ranger alt.
I am not gonna make a post making a cleric feel as tho if she is not up there meleeing that she isnt accepted into my group.
Yaulp 5 = 10 mana per tic
Yaulp 6 = 12 mana per tic
Medding = 20 or so mana per tic
I only melee with my cleric, if my mana is above 60%.
Yaulp 6 = 12 mana per tic
Medding = 20 or so mana per tic
I only melee with my cleric, if my mana is above 60%.
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I dont have a cleric that high yet, but cant you yaulp 6 and med at the same time?
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No Drunkmonk. Y5 & Y6 are only good when your standing. They turn off when you sit or are on a horse.
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Edited, Thu Feb 12 16:59:29 2004
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You guys obvipusly don't know Eman, and let's face it if you can't get around a cleric at level 65 on an exp mob, then i would hate to see what happens when you go on a raid. Melee has its ups and downs for clerics. if you have the FT for it by all means go for it, as said before the added DPS is a nice thing. Also, you have to think about the cleric once in a while, it gets pretty boring sometimes sitting in the same spot spamming one hotkey all the time. If the cleric is a competent player then they ought to be able to hit a mob and heal when needed, if not they a little more practice with their character.
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I really can not stand it when folks cant read post ... Gauz, when i wrote about the cleric i said was on a horse and unshrunk... I have no problem raiding tyvm.. and Eman should be a bit more specific, to me and im sure quite a few other folks it just looks like he is saying a cleric is worthless unless they melee... there is a time to melee and not and would be nice to be considerate and shrink or atleast make sure that all the dps in the grp has a way to get in before they charge in... I think Xaanru put it a lot better than I did...btw gauz .. are you Eman's alt ?..... More idolizing?
Well, no I don't know eman. I do have a cleric main, that level 65, and about 70aa points, so I'm not inexperienced with being a cleric. Cleric melee is highly situational. I almost always melee in regular difficulty LDON, or teir 2 PoP, and some old world and revamped zones like veksar etc.
However, more often than not, if I'm grinding in a harder zone, like hard LDoN, or the instanced sewer trials in GoD, I don't even bother to equip the summoned hammer. If I have to heal the tank 3 or four times per mob, I probably don't have time to be playing melee. If its timed, like normal LDON, I am not healing a lot, and I think my paltry DPS will help, I will certainly melee, and usually do. Typically, if full mana, and playing with my usual group (SK tank) I'll lead with a nuke, then yaulp 6 then run behind the mob and melee.
So clerics melee: yes, if the situation warrants it. However, cleric is healer first. Meleer maybe 5th on their list of roles.
However, more often than not, if I'm grinding in a harder zone, like hard LDoN, or the instanced sewer trials in GoD, I don't even bother to equip the summoned hammer. If I have to heal the tank 3 or four times per mob, I probably don't have time to be playing melee. If its timed, like normal LDON, I am not healing a lot, and I think my paltry DPS will help, I will certainly melee, and usually do. Typically, if full mana, and playing with my usual group (SK tank) I'll lead with a nuke, then yaulp 6 then run behind the mob and melee.
So clerics melee: yes, if the situation warrants it. However, cleric is healer first. Meleer maybe 5th on their list of roles.
Solid Clerics can and do melee effectively quite frequently. I melee all the time in grind groups and some tier 1-3 backflagging runs. I melee in all 4 elemental planes frequently. With a manna pool of 6k and 16ft, I rarely go beneath 80% mana in say PoE. Once you are well geared from elemental raiding, most tanks have 9-10k buffed and really don't get hit hard enough to require massive healing. If you have been playing a cleric for a long time you can quickly know when it is safe to the party to melee. I don't melee in Vxed or Tipt or on named in PoP, b/c the dps of these mobs is often to quick. Normal LDoN are a joke and a well geared cleric can tank normal 65 dungeons. Problem is there are fewer and fewer good cleric around, hence all the horror stories. Chances are if the person is an idiot they are going to get you killed, if not you will never even notice they are meleeing.
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Edited, Tue Jul 27 16:27:34 2004
Sadly, after almost 30 VZ kills, none of our clerics have seen this yet. You can feel the disappoinment every time the loot is linked and the clerics don't get it again.
Oh, and I agree, almost any class can add alot more dmg to the table than you may think. As a shaman, with FoM2, I'm actually adding alot of extra dmg to each mob, in the form of dots, but more so with nukes now. A cleric has a better ability to melee than I do, and they can put up some dmg especially using their proccing hammers.
Oh, and I agree, almost any class can add alot more dmg to the table than you may think. As a shaman, with FoM2, I'm actually adding alot of extra dmg to each mob, in the form of dots, but more so with nukes now. A cleric has a better ability to melee than I do, and they can put up some dmg especially using their proccing hammers.
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This is the Vallon Zek from PoTime. Hope you weren't referring to 30 kills of VZ from Tactics cause if your expecting this hammer there you won't be seeing one.
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So when can we expect Rogues to get some healing and buffing spells?!
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I've ran in many groups where I could melee just fine and keep the tanks/ group members alive. The extra dps we dish out might not be the greatest, but its better than just sitting on our bums. Heres to all of us clerics that get in the fray and bash in some skulls.
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Posted: Dec 11 2003 at 6:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you are exactly the reason that they should make carpentry a tradeskill, go carve yourself a nice chair if you are looking for something to do in between your 10sec CH casts and random bits of buffing, leave the dps to capable hands
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Sure, cleric DPS isn't great, but what's wrong with adding alittle to the fight when otherwise full mana and nothing else to do. Between self buffs and such, our manaregen per tick (mpt) can be just sick.
I often have Kitty Crack and KEI, sometimes Tranq or VoQ. My mana regen:
Flowing Thought 15 - +15 mpt
Yalup 6 - +12 mpt
Armor of the Zealot - +8 mpt
KEI - +14 mpt (Tranq/VoQ - +16/+18 mpt)
Spiritual Dominion - +9 mpt
As you can see, I regen 58 mana per tick while swinging that hammer. Alternatively, I can bust out my drogmor for sit effect, and gain another +8 mpt. However, I lose the ability to melee since Yalup wont work while mounted and I lose the sit mana regen if my attack is on.
Now, our crappy nuke (1100 damage for 365 mana) is resisted so much, it's often a waste of mana to cast. And it's such a mana hog, I would have to sit for 6 ticks to make up the mana for 1 cast. On the average, a cleric hammer will proc about 8-10 times in 6 ticks. It's 75-150 points of UNRESISTABLE (it even works on mobs that require bane damage, like Emp Ssra and Lord Inquisitor) damage, and tends to avearage about 110 damage per proc.
So, I can sit on my drogmor for 6 ticks, and cast 1 nuke, which will probably get resisted, or do at most 1100 damage. OR I can bust out the hammer, get about the same mana regen, and actually do about 1100 (+/-) damage that wont be resisted...ever.
Tell me again how usless it is for clerics to melee?
I often have Kitty Crack and KEI, sometimes Tranq or VoQ. My mana regen:
Flowing Thought 15 - +15 mpt
Yalup 6 - +12 mpt
Armor of the Zealot - +8 mpt
KEI - +14 mpt (Tranq/VoQ - +16/+18 mpt)
Spiritual Dominion - +9 mpt
As you can see, I regen 58 mana per tick while swinging that hammer. Alternatively, I can bust out my drogmor for sit effect, and gain another +8 mpt. However, I lose the ability to melee since Yalup wont work while mounted and I lose the sit mana regen if my attack is on.
Now, our crappy nuke (1100 damage for 365 mana) is resisted so much, it's often a waste of mana to cast. And it's such a mana hog, I would have to sit for 6 ticks to make up the mana for 1 cast. On the average, a cleric hammer will proc about 8-10 times in 6 ticks. It's 75-150 points of UNRESISTABLE (it even works on mobs that require bane damage, like Emp Ssra and Lord Inquisitor) damage, and tends to avearage about 110 damage per proc.
So, I can sit on my drogmor for 6 ticks, and cast 1 nuke, which will probably get resisted, or do at most 1100 damage. OR I can bust out the hammer, get about the same mana regen, and actually do about 1100 (+/-) damage that wont be resisted...ever.
Tell me again how usless it is for clerics to melee?
Gotta love retarded people with internet access. Yovarrian falls in to that Gump-ian range of IQ that precludes logical arguments.
"Field Medics", or meleeing clerics, are definitely something nice to see. Not all of the clerics at the high end are in a raid. In an xp group, if the tank is worth a **** the cleric should have no problem spanking mobs.
"Field Medics", or meleeing clerics, are definitely something nice to see. Not all of the clerics at the high end are in a raid. In an xp group, if the tank is worth a **** the cleric should have no problem spanking mobs.
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I play a 59 Cleric on Mith Marr named vaeliant and I mellee as well as heal and with kei spiritual purity and my yalup 5 spell I never go oom if the pulls are controlled , if the pulls are a mess then like any other caster the mana runs low. But my point is if you are on mithaniel marr and think clerics shouldnt mellee ask about Vaeliant and his skills as a battle cleric and if your not on mithaniel marr hopefully some people I have grouped with from MM will see this and give there honest opinion of my skillz. But never ever think a cleric cant melle especially undead with our proc hammers as they have high proc rate and bane undead to make them major destroyers of those things that should have stayed in the ground.
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Thank you for that touching assessment of my intellect. I must apologize though, my post was meant as an inside joke in regards to my longtime friend. Had I any clue that anyone would put any form of value into that which I had to say I probably, in retrospect, would have not posted such a thing. Yes I agree with you and him as well, in groups that know what they are doing most definitely clerics should be meleeing, their procs and summoned hammer (when working) are a welcome addition to dps and indeed a great help in such situations as LDoN groups. I again am sorry if I stepped on anyone’s toes.
Meh, I was having a rough day. Sorry.
Great! I needed another uneducated opinion to add to the collection!
I suppose Shammies should just buff the group, and cani. Beastlords should sic their pet, and play pet-cleric...etc too, eh?
While Clerics will never be in the top 50% of DPS, their damage can make a big difference when you are in a time critical situation, such as LDoN.
When/if you ever get to the level where you get to see this drop, you might know a bit better. We'll keep hoping, anyway.
I suppose Shammies should just buff the group, and cani. Beastlords should sic their pet, and play pet-cleric...etc too, eh?
While Clerics will never be in the top 50% of DPS, their damage can make a big difference when you are in a time critical situation, such as LDoN.
When/if you ever get to the level where you get to see this drop, you might know a bit better. We'll keep hoping, anyway.
Don't need to see that drop. A cleric with his summoned hammer and some AAs at 65 dish out enough melee damage to impress me just looking at the procs, and a lot of the time they really don't need to sit when they Yaulp and melee.
For clerics that can't sit when they should there should be a spanking, for those who get in there and help the group even more with their melee when all juice won't have to be on healing... Well all power to you!
And yeah, what Wrath said, helps a lot in LDoN for one.
For clerics that can't sit when they should there should be a spanking, for those who get in there and help the group even more with their melee when all juice won't have to be on healing... Well all power to you!
And yeah, what Wrath said, helps a lot in LDoN for one.
Never mind the fact that while clerics don't have great dps meleeing it is more then we would have if we did not. And if you are in a group that does not need a lot of healing you might as well melee. I spend most of my time in LDoN groups meleeing because I enjoy it and it helps move the fights along.
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I have to agree with Saucera on that one darksplender... im lvl 65 and i got there.. to a lesser extent.. by soloing. Mind you not root/blast/dot undead... but meleeing with my summoned hammers. Places to melee: PoG (when the protectors didnt really protect) and velks... easily melee soloable.. Yaulp 5/6 melee hammer... pet hammer... double marking them.. made it quite easy to solo. Since my leveling days i have also solo'd in the grey and countless other times.... oh and no im not time geard.../boggle like that has to do anything with ability to solo.
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Posted: Dec 10 2003 at 8:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) CLR ONLY? waste of a 1 ratio.
This Hammer is a very nice hammer, not just for the wisdom and mana that it gives, but because it has a nice ratio and a proc that heals as well as damages. This helps us to keep the casters alive with our melee (along with Yalup 6 which has a 75 point dex buff) instead of with mana-expensive group heals. All in all, this is a great hammer, although it is an uncommon to rare drop from Time VZ, so many many clerics are going to be saving points for this hammer for awhile.
Not exactly, considering the fact that it has excellent stats, including +20 Wis and +175 Mana. Plus even Clerics don't mind having the ability to get in there and whack a bit, for soloing and whatnot...
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Posted: Dec 10 2003 at 9:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Show me a level 65 time enabled cleric who actually solos and I'll show you either a ******, or someone just killing something for bragging rights.
I'm a level 65 cleric that's one kill from time and I melee solo in tier 1 PoP whenever I get bored or need to farm Slarg parts for baking. Don't tell me it's not doable.
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No what Ill show you when you see a 65 time geared cleric soloing is a person who doesnt have a group at the moment and is not wasting his time sitting around waiting for his guild to get ready so instead he goes and solos for some gear , aa points and fun so he isnt just sitting somewhere being harassed for buffs and rezzes in the far reaches of the world of norrath.
this weap is only good because of the 175 mana. most time clerics should have something better; at least something with a useful focus effect.
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Wow DarkSplendor grats on sounding like a ****** yourself, if bragging rights or being a '******' is the only reason you can think of a time geared cleric solo'ing, you should actually try playing one. Considering I spent ages whacking frogs in lguk for faction or farming junk for my twinks, clearly must be bragging or retardation, yeah, ok, well done! genius!
You clearly haven't excercised the single braincell in thinking that it might just be FUN to go back as a cleric to the places where you got waxed maaaany years ago and just take a trip round memory lane.
You clearly haven't excercised the single braincell in thinking that it might just be FUN to go back as a cleric to the places where you got waxed maaaany years ago and just take a trip round memory lane.
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