Is this worth maybe keeping on a bandolier for the proc, if you follow? Like, swap weps, grab the proc, and bandolier back to your main wep set? Can anyone give me ideas for the hate generated on this?
I love people that post things and try and sound smart, but really are have no clue. This is a primary only weapon. Therefore you cannot put it in your secondary hand. Further more this weapon has a proc modifier that causes it to proc more often then your normal weapon. It is an awsome weapon for a warrior and I still use mine even though I have much better dps and more hp weapons to choose from. The AC is great and when you get agro you hold it with this weapon.
This is a great primary weapon due to the Anger proc having pure hate. You only get hate bonus to procs that have pure hate procs. Stun/dd procs do not get hate bonus. You only get hate bonus to the primary hand weapon. EOE does not have pure hate, it has dd/stun and would be a bad choice in a war main hand against a pure hate proc weapon. EOE would be good offhand, but so would this weapon. It is better to have a low delay in main hand due to hate bonus every swing. This delay is too slow for primary, it is better to use epic 1.5/2.0 with pure hate in primary and secondary this. The best delay you can hope to get is ABOUT 100% haste bringing this to 17.5 delay. I rarely see a player that really plays a war.
aggro/hate is generated from anything really, high levels of damage and healing rank on the high side for generating aggro, while low damage dots and hots do not. obviously this philosophy fits with high dmg dots and hots generating aggro.
dd/stun are great forms of aggro, in fact the whole paladin line of spells are based on just that, while sks are taps/dots and melee.
op is confused by procs that actually do reduce your hate and they do generally have a stun component to them but that doesn't mean that they don't generate hate. almost anything spammed enough on the mob will generate massive hate.
This or Fleshbiter? Toolazy to link but drops in Uqua (GoD) off of Devastating Construct or Barxt. I thinks it has confirmed aggro of 1100 with stun included and anger around 800 or 850 with pure hate plus extra included. I watched our gimpest warrior steel aggro twice using Fleshbiter and BoC in Time, from wars with 1.5/DBoW and Breastplate hate mod. I also just got a Symbol of Planes to help with aggro. I think i like the proc mod over more aggro on fleshbiter to proc earlier in fight. But 5ac 10hp is cool hehe, whadda yah think?
Personally, I think it comes down to whether or not you're more in need of Strikethrough or Riposite. Fleshbiter has a slightly higher AC value, slightly more HP, slightly higher DPS (the Stun does damage), very slightly less aggro generation from proc which is made up for by DPS. To me, the choice is between Strikethrough or Riposte. I'm sticking with Fleshbiter even though I can get DbotW (only Warrior now who doesn't have it in the guild, but also only one with Fleshbiter)
wait a minute I thought that fleshbiter had much more agro from the proc than both DBoTW and even BBoB...though the DPS from BBoB makes up for it in the end....
Alot of people forget that DPS is also part of a tanks agro. I would stick with the BBoB or DBoW purely for the dps output over a BF. If you look at the high end tanks like Gster or Demo, there combo of choice seems to be 2.0 and BBoB.
A few of my warrior buds use DBoTW over BBoB (Brutish Blade of Balance). I personally think that BBoB is the better choice due to the shielding, stats and Damage/delay ratio. When it comes to aggro, it seems the better choice is the DBoTW since it has the 30% proc mod. Now, if that is the case, wouldn't a Bloodfrienzie still be the ubber weapon of all since it has a 50% proc mod on it? Decisions decisions. Obviously, the epic 1.5/2.0 is going to be the offhand choice (unless using an ubber shield), but how about a little discussion about the aggro comparision between DBoTW, BBoB and Bloodfrienzie. I'm sticking with BBoB and Epic for now, but does anyone have any solid info that would sway me to equip my Bloodfrienzie or DBoTW over it?
The drop rate on this is a bit crazy. Took 7 kills of RZ before we got first to drop. 6 kills later to get 2nd to drop. Haven't seen third and been a few weeks.
edit: actually now epic in offhand is much better lol. then bag dbow when shield tanking.
If you baging DBotW over 1.5 then you not doing something rite. Whats with the Shield tanking anyway..max slipery atacks , reposte problem solved , shield tanking is thing of the past...
acutally, shield block and the shielding mod on the epic would be far more handy on mobs with extremely high dps (90% of GoD and OoW bosses) when staying alive is more important than the warrior putting damage on a mob.
Say using fortitude / furious with weapons up for initial agro, then switching to the shield / epic once you put up defensive to further reduce the ammount of damage you take.
Yeah I shield tank alot and my healers all say they prefer it. If you use shield (and have done the aa's) along with say defensive, have sense cast on ya and have the commanding voice disci (which can be chained with no endureance loss). the amount of damage you take is greatly reduced. I know alot who say that shield tanking is from the past who have tried it and since changed thier mind O Orillias seventh hammer
Hell yah, Shield Block is the ****. I love it and i gotta gimpish shield atm. But with this and commanding voice, avoidance increases are nice. 50 from shield block plus a chance to block and then dodge mod.
Wow, so many people seem to miss the fact that hey, they have no ****** clue what their talking about.
Sure you wanna base EoE vs. Bloodfrenzy stat to stat then sure EoE wins, has like 55hp more an is a 20/20.. Thats about all EoE has over a BF I would hold to it....
Bloodfrenzy is well, 50% higher to proc over the defualt rate, 15% reposte mod, more AC.
Personally DBoTW / Bloodfrenzy is the route to go, speaking since OOW is like a luclin based Expansion. Mobs with HUGE ac an hp.
the 150pt Stun is nice an all dno't get me wrong. I love my EoE. But its just I love my BF alot fing more.
Plus to argue about something many don't even have...wtf's the point, thats like me trying to fight about being in space. How the hell do I know wtf happens unless someone else tells me. Use your own opinion FFS ppl....
roflmao lol hmmmmmm its a no drop (which sux) but lemme think.....i would make a war or buy a war thats lvl 65 (which would take awhile) get this,buy a BoC and d-lvl from 65 to like 20 and kill everyone in PC MUWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! dont ask why i justthink id have like 9999999999999999PvP points and kills (and yes i am a n00b)
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Posted:Aug 08 2004 at 9:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This will be one of the best weapons out for a LLLOOOOONNNNNGGGG time, its a bummer that u gotta b lvl 65 to go get it =(
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Posted:Sep 14 2004 at 10:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess everything should just be giving to lvl 55's with no use =P
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Posted:Aug 13 2004 at 12:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) go go 0-10 on RZ kills... so gay
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Posted:Sep 14 2004 at 10:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sounds like bad luck, RZ will always drop far more DB's then the dr00d staffs...so be happy..
Sounds like bad luck, RZ will always drop far more DB's then the dr00d staffs...so be happy..
right. because the drop rates of your guild obviously reflect the universal droprate. ps. look at some factual data, serverwide, dbow drops less. pps. you're a ******* idiot!
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Posted:Apr 22 2004 at 5:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can't any of you morons spell?
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Posted:May 15 2004 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) who teached me how to spoke?
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Posted:Apr 19 2004 at 9:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) man i cant wait till im 6even though im not gonna get this for a while im going for EoE with this becuase bloodfrenzy SUX IMO
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Posted:May 05 2004 at 4:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ...i am not gonna even comment but the fact that bloodfrenzy has a mod'd proc frequency...now for a n00b \/\/422102 like j00 that means nothing to you...but it means that it'll proc more then a usual procing weapon...
all of which are bettter on eoe. the only thing BF has over EoE is the proc mod and the riposte mod
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so lets put it this way...if YOU yourself are not rocking a BoC or a BF right now, then you most def will not ever...ever ...ever see this. B/c you obviously have no clue of wtf your talking about...
I'm not even going to comment on this, going to leave it to the reader to see the blunt stupidity.
ok to warriors who do get this ubar wpn...think about it....are ya gonne duel weild Edge of eternity and this or Bloodfrenzy and this? obviously edge of eternity and this....butt if ya look at it....bloodfrezy has the riposte 15% add...so if your holding ubar aggro ya will need some attacks to be knocked away...i would personally go bloodfrenzy and this...(if i didnt have EoE lol) just think about it. send feedback lemme know if anyone agrees.
reposte does not make you bock or send the attack away, thats parry, reposte is when they swing at you, and in the time it takes them to recover after the hit or block or miss, you find an opening and strike back, aka when they pull their arm back to strike again.
hopefully this link works......... but anyhow, with this discipline engaged I will avoid EVERY mellee attack for the 12 seconds that the discipline is engaged.
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Posted:Sep 14 2004 at 11:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Speaking since Bloofrenzy is pretty damn rare, unless you were luclin age raiding, OR have killed cursed a few times, or hell even if you just got lucky, getting a bloodfrenzy is something to be proud of. DBoTW is prolly pretty far down the road for you rorreck.
I agree with the post on using a blood frenzy, that is an excellent thought, there comes a time when it doesnt matter with aggro, when you have this weapon, your prolly gonna have solid aggro, if you use a Blood Frenzy, just wait and think before you flame, you WOULD have that riposte mod on you, which could in turn save your clerics some mana by riposting more, hey its an interesting idea to try out, i wouldnt know seeing as im not time flagged and i dont have either weapon, but very interesting point of view, i would give it a shot, keep in mind its a warriors job to try and keep all damage inc to him (melee) but also to avoid as much of that damage as he can, and yes with double riposte etc you would actually do more dps with this darkblade in primary. its worth parsing
i dont.. but thats just my 1cp on your opinion. i have had this wep for a while but never bothered for bloodfrenzy cuz if i want agro i can just use shield of the strife.. plus EoE's ratio is better then blood freny's and you can easilly get an anger 3 aug for EoE for agro.
ya missed the whole point, EoE is better than BF i know but sometimes the EoE dosent drop, so if ya werent able to get at the time, would you use BF or something else?
You are talking about EoE not dropping. One thing you seem to be leaving out is the almost non-existent drop rate of a BF. We did the cursed cycle more times than I can remember. Bots and alts were getting stuff off of him on a regular basis before we finally stopped raiding him. We only ever got 1 BF that entire time.
On the other hand we haven't even gotten to Quarm yet, and we already have multiple EoE's. Therefore, I have to say it will be much more likely a tank is gonna dual wield this with an EoE or just use a shield.
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Posted:Nov 09 2003 at 6:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was in the batzar yesterday and saw wun for 8k and was like OMFG and I bought it. it is my new epic and I kick *** with it... should be a monk weapon IMO tho.
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Posted:Nov 24 2003 at 12:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WTF Dude, This weapon dont drop enough to be for sale. Second, Unless you play on FV server, i'm sure you cant buy it bc its no drop. And Third, it wouldnt be for sale for 8k.
First of all, morons like Rizzle shouldn't even be allowed to post junk like that even if they are joking.
Secondly, dispite the effect, anger, gives 50 less points of hate compared to a boc/bf, this is by far the BEST taunting weapon in the game especially if a warrior wields this with a furious bash sheild in secondary. Anger also gives stun and dd proc. So now all you warriors who've been neglecting your bash skill since you got dual wield, you better start bashing those greenies :)
Thirdly , you'd think that Sony would put a Skill Mod of Taunt on this weapon cause we all know how that Taunt button is broken :)
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Posted:Nov 25 2003 at 2:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First of all, morons like Rizzle shouldn't even be allowed to post junk like that even if they are joking.
Dont forget that with Double Riposte aa's makes this weapon even better. Bc if i'm thinking straight, when you riposte, you riposte with your primary weapon. Which would add even more procs and more damage than any other warrior 1h in the game. Its truly an amazing weapon... too bad its rare. VI-Much H8 to the warriors! Inc Melee patch yay!
Procing is based over time, not by any other factor other then if the weapon has a proc mod, which VERY VERY VERY few do.
BF / DBoTW are the ONLY aggro procing weapons with anger mods (including the Rune stamped blade of brutish force IIRC thats the name)
Ivory Hilted Cleaver , Kelp hilted Mace an a few others also have proc mods, to look up which weapons have mods Lucy's website has a great system database for it all..
ok this is clearly the best warrior weap in the game for 2 reasons....... a) less riposte, b) if a warrior can attain this weapon then his stats are most likely maxed out aka it wil proc alot c) equip a shield and you cna still stun aka more agro ..... so if you able to aquire this weap i would put my Bloodfrenzy and hate giver and the bank for good and keep this and uber FBVI shield and a BoW on your person at all times!
the best at this time is at 11.2k unbuffed, look at eqrankings.com and sort by hp and authentics only, if they change any gear manually it changes tag to premium, and it wont display as authentic, meaning it COULD be fake, authentic is the real deal
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Posted:Nov 08 2003 at 2:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) obviously fake, one, no guild will let one person loot every single PoTime item that drops, two, these are the best items in the game all of them...we would have heard of this guy somewhere. three) he has bristlebanes party platters and no skill in baking. four....well im still working on four but hey its fake! i made a fake bard profile just like it hehe
Furor is from Fires of Heaven as his background shows. I doubt his magelo is fake. I don't know what to think of the profile, if you look in his bags you'll find solo gear. Is that supposed to be funny or depressing?
I'd say its safe to assume that the second magelo is a "Dream" profile, not a real one. First, The guy claims to have A STACK of bristlebane's party platters (which are no drop, btw) yet has no listed tradeskills of any sort. HMM? an item which is baking with trivial over 250, ridiculously expensive to make, and the guy somehow managed to make an entire stack with no skill in baking.
Plus, come on now, if this guy existed, we'd have heard of him by now.
Furor is the leader so why wouldn't his guild let him loot all that uber PoT gear so that he can have the most hps and keep tanking those mobs? He is a warrior after all. And no I don't know what the loot system is like in FoH. One way to find out, make a character on veeshan, find out where he is and inspect him :) Now as for those food things. Maybe he does have baking maxed but just didn't bother putting it in. Allthough I know if I maxed out any of my tradeskills I'd rush to my magelo and put it in :)
Now I'm not saying his profile is 100% accurate. But I'm not saying its a fake one either. But whatever he has on his character, he's gotta be one kick *** warrior!
Please, Furor is the leader, correct, in one of the most uber guilds in EQ, i doubt that profile is fake,, but i also doubt that he is the most uber warrior, that i must say is my title
This weapon is by far the best Warrior weapon in game bar none. It is obviously meant to be used with a Fb sheild and not a duel weild on uber encounters.
First I am a 65 War On emarr Dreagonlore. I duel wield BoC and OSoW. Low delay weapons are key when you are a young warrior, but once you step in to mobs that quad hit for 1k or better you need 2hs weapons or weapons like this one. I can hold agro just as well with Frostreaver as I can my boc and I take less riposte damage. So now we have the boc on crack which is going to generate way more hate than BoC. I.E. mobs hate when you triple attack them for 200 a pop. Hello you just whiped out 600 damage to the mob.. Holy crap I proced too. So lets see. 650 raw hate. 600 raw damage. 100 Proc DD, and holy smokes a stun to boot. I do not know what or where you tank, but this weapon will generate more agro than wielding a BoC and Bloodfrenzy. I strongly suggest knowing your weaponry before commenting on the best tank weapon in the game.