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It's quite simple really.
a) lvl 55 Trueshot /disc
b) lvl 60 Endless Quiver and Archery Mastery 3
c) top-o-the-line bow (can't buy it? fletch it)
a + b + c = 1,500 dmg per second
O my ranger is so rubbish, he can't do anything, why am I so bad at tanking, my spells aren't as good as a wizard's, I want to be another character, my toe hurts, waa waa waa waa...
EDIT: Yes, this is a top-end benefit only, but then have you seen any lvl 30 warriors tanking gods recently either?
Edited, Wed Jul 2 06:21:26 2003
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Thank you all SO much! All the Rangers here (and even those of you who aren't) who are showing the fallicy of the steriotype we've been labeled with! I'm a level 52 ranger who has leveled both grouped and soloing. Primarily, I solo though, bow kite to be specefic.
1: Make sure my quivers filled with arrows (This is where Tolan's Darkwood Bracer comes in handy, I've noticed that most of you refer to fletching your own arrows, which are more powerful than summoned, but you can only hold so many stacks of arrow parts).
2: Take a shot to pull the mob with the bow.
3: Then as the arrow flies I hit it with ensnare (I know that many people say it's not worth it in comparison to normal snare, but the extra time it sticks sure does come in handy, and if mana is an issue, I carry a pair of Tolan's Gauntlets just in case..)
4: Ehen I get the mob to where I need him to be, root it (I'm currently using ensnaring roots, dunno if anyone prefers grasping roots or not).
5: And then DoT it, I start with Swarm of Pain (Quested for in Gunthak, for the 2 of you who don't know ^_~), then I use my Tolan Vambraces immediately after for Stinging Swarm (2 reasons, 1: So I won't have to wait on spell recovery time. 2: There's pretty good re-cast timing on the 3 DoTs I use), after that, I use Immolate, all firing arrows between casts.
6: start pelting the victim with my wimpy summoned arrows (Although the Bow of Doom makes them hit pretty well, plus the Heated Emerald I put in adds an occasional 50 damage proc), getting a few crits now and then.
7: (Optional) Add a few nukes to taste, they'll usually break root though.
8: When spells wear off, lather, rinse, repeat! ^_^
9: Some mobs won't do this, but those that run, of course just let root wear off when they're at running HP, and go in to kill with melee.
This might look like a fairly long way of doing it, it might be, but it works for me, and for those of you high enough level, and if you're rich/determined enough for Tolan's Bracer (I gave up a ton of nice equipment dirt cheap to finish up the plat I needed to buy mine), it can work for you too!
Among other places, I've been able to solo boats in Dulak, the area near the exit in PoJ (I'm not much of a plane traveller yet ^_^), Gnolls outside their cave in Jaggedpine and a few mobs in The Grey when I decided to give that place a shot. I know I've killed far more stuff then just guys in those places, but they're the ones I can think of right now. Hope this will help in some way!
I'm pretty sure a ranger can also do immense damage in a group with a bow, I've not tested it much to be sure, but at least at 52 (or is it 51, I forget) you get the double damage bonus for some conditional shots, based on situation, and (I think, but I'm not sure) mob level (What I DO know, is that you can get 2X damage if you're..
1. Making the opening shot with your bow.
2. The mob is distracted by other players (You don't have aggro).
3. Is trying to run away
it does NOT work if it's rooted)
anyway, you let MT keep aggro, while you plink away with your arrows, and you can get some pretty decent hits with that thing.
As far as actual damage I've done in a single shot, I've done 294 with my Bow of Doom and summoned arrows. I got a critical hit, as well as double damage on the guy I was fighting, but it counts! ^_^
Personally, I don't think Rangers were meant to tank, I realize that there are plenty of exceptions to this, but generally, I think we're supposed to either keep our distance, or try our very best to keep the aggro off ourselves that we gain so easily. It may just be me, but I think that players who want to tank, are better off with Warrior, Shadow Knight, or Paladin, and if you want to nuke, go with a Wizard or some other caster, but if you want a well rounded class, that, in a pinch, can take the place of most anyone, go with a ranger!
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking fear-kiting, I do that too, I just usually bow-kite. ^_^
In two words: Rangers own!
...wow, that was long winded... *Wonders why that always happens when he's tired and tries to make a "quick" post somewhere..*
1: Make sure my quivers filled with arrows (This is where Tolan's Darkwood Bracer comes in handy, I've noticed that most of you refer to fletching your own arrows, which are more powerful than summoned, but you can only hold so many stacks of arrow parts).
2: Take a shot to pull the mob with the bow.
3: Then as the arrow flies I hit it with ensnare (I know that many people say it's not worth it in comparison to normal snare, but the extra time it sticks sure does come in handy, and if mana is an issue, I carry a pair of Tolan's Gauntlets just in case..)
4: Ehen I get the mob to where I need him to be, root it (I'm currently using ensnaring roots, dunno if anyone prefers grasping roots or not).
5: And then DoT it, I start with Swarm of Pain (Quested for in Gunthak, for the 2 of you who don't know ^_~), then I use my Tolan Vambraces immediately after for Stinging Swarm (2 reasons, 1: So I won't have to wait on spell recovery time. 2: There's pretty good re-cast timing on the 3 DoTs I use), after that, I use Immolate, all firing arrows between casts.
6: start pelting the victim with my wimpy summoned arrows (Although the Bow of Doom makes them hit pretty well, plus the Heated Emerald I put in adds an occasional 50 damage proc), getting a few crits now and then.
7: (Optional) Add a few nukes to taste, they'll usually break root though.
8: When spells wear off, lather, rinse, repeat! ^_^
9: Some mobs won't do this, but those that run, of course just let root wear off when they're at running HP, and go in to kill with melee.
This might look like a fairly long way of doing it, it might be, but it works for me, and for those of you high enough level, and if you're rich/determined enough for Tolan's Bracer (I gave up a ton of nice equipment dirt cheap to finish up the plat I needed to buy mine), it can work for you too!
Among other places, I've been able to solo boats in Dulak, the area near the exit in PoJ (I'm not much of a plane traveller yet ^_^), Gnolls outside their cave in Jaggedpine and a few mobs in The Grey when I decided to give that place a shot. I know I've killed far more stuff then just guys in those places, but they're the ones I can think of right now. Hope this will help in some way!
I'm pretty sure a ranger can also do immense damage in a group with a bow, I've not tested it much to be sure, but at least at 52 (or is it 51, I forget) you get the double damage bonus for some conditional shots, based on situation, and (I think, but I'm not sure) mob level (What I DO know, is that you can get 2X damage if you're..
1. Making the opening shot with your bow.
2. The mob is distracted by other players (You don't have aggro).
3. Is trying to run away
it does NOT work if it's rooted)
anyway, you let MT keep aggro, while you plink away with your arrows, and you can get some pretty decent hits with that thing.
As far as actual damage I've done in a single shot, I've done 294 with my Bow of Doom and summoned arrows. I got a critical hit, as well as double damage on the guy I was fighting, but it counts! ^_^
Personally, I don't think Rangers were meant to tank, I realize that there are plenty of exceptions to this, but generally, I think we're supposed to either keep our distance, or try our very best to keep the aggro off ourselves that we gain so easily. It may just be me, but I think that players who want to tank, are better off with Warrior, Shadow Knight, or Paladin, and if you want to nuke, go with a Wizard or some other caster, but if you want a well rounded class, that, in a pinch, can take the place of most anyone, go with a ranger!
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking fear-kiting, I do that too, I just usually bow-kite. ^_^
In two words: Rangers own!
...wow, that was long winded... *Wonders why that always happens when he's tired and tries to make a "quick" post somewhere..*
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Let put this debate to and end by simply listing the areas that are soloable by rangers and the levels need to do it shall we ...
PoP makes and Luclin makes it easier so ill post that route
1-5 just outside of halas or stick with PoK book..lif ya get in trouble click book and head back to Pok
6-12 newbie side of PC
12-17 Kurns Tower at this point bring bandaids or a Embalmers Skinning Knife..
17-25 Pc again Start with the Spreading Crud Aliens and the Bandit Camp
By this time ya have a strong sence of whats going on with the class and you have duel wield and a few of the spells needed for something mroe challanging...
25-30 Back to the Halas area and Fear some Wolly Mammoths...
30-35 Iceclad Ocean Fear Snow cougars
35-50 Eastern Wastes Fear Wolly Rhinos, Snow Griffies, Ice Fang, and Walruses.
50-55 Jagged Pine Forest Fear Griffies Snakes and if ya have a SwarmCaller tank the Willowisps
55-60 Western Wastes Wolfs, Ect. *Need Strong Dragon Faction*
60+ PoN/Poj Fear dems' Rats
Enought Said
Cantessa Darkforger
Edited, Sun Apr 13 17:03:37 2003
PoP makes and Luclin makes it easier so ill post that route
1-5 just outside of halas or stick with PoK book..lif ya get in trouble click book and head back to Pok
6-12 newbie side of PC
12-17 Kurns Tower at this point bring bandaids or a Embalmers Skinning Knife..
17-25 Pc again Start with the Spreading Crud Aliens and the Bandit Camp
By this time ya have a strong sence of whats going on with the class and you have duel wield and a few of the spells needed for something mroe challanging...
25-30 Back to the Halas area and Fear some Wolly Mammoths...
30-35 Iceclad Ocean Fear Snow cougars
35-50 Eastern Wastes Fear Wolly Rhinos, Snow Griffies, Ice Fang, and Walruses.
50-55 Jagged Pine Forest Fear Griffies Snakes and if ya have a SwarmCaller tank the Willowisps
55-60 Western Wastes Wolfs, Ect. *Need Strong Dragon Faction*
60+ PoN/Poj Fear dems' Rats
Enought Said
Cantessa Darkforger
Edited, Sun Apr 13 17:03:37 2003
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Fear kiting zelniaks in Dawnshroud Peaks can safely and easily carry you from 30-46. The only adds you will get are the lightcrawlers (green by the time you hit your 40's) and the occasional named wolf/zelniak (drop pieces for Twilight armor quests.)
OK just to let everyone know i got 2 ranger's 1 lvl 42 and 1@27 my 42 Ranger was my 1st char. on EQ
and i solod all the way will i made 1 lvl thx to groups but the rest i did i don't play him anymore but i do got him so Ranger can solo i know i been there done that that's all that's to be said !!
and i solod all the way will i made 1 lvl thx to groups but the rest i did i don't play him anymore but i do got him so Ranger can solo i know i been there done that that's all that's to be said !!
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i dont know why people are whining about their rangers. I love my ranger. used correctly they are an amazing class. you just have to use all the options given out to you. i am only level 38 and canyt really say what goes on at higher levels. I do know this much anuone that has been in a group while my ranger was pulling wantedto make sure and get me back in their group some time soon. And as far as soloing goes for xp. we can solo animals for xp all day long. i only group when i feel like helping someone out or if we are doing a raid or something of that nature. may al of you who speak badly of your ranger, try some new tactics and learn your abilities. you give my ranger kei and i can careless if there is anyone else even in the zone with me. i can fight, sow, small buffs, heal myself, and snare or root. that used with our evocation skills in combat makes me a happy camper.
It seems that the posts for each of the pieces of Thorny Vine are littered with people saying "rangers can't tank, never could" and "rangers can't solo." I would have to disagree here. As far as tanking goes, I do it all the time. Why? Usually because there is no warrior or paladin or shadowknight. But also because I can hold aggro very well. As far as the low hp/ac goes, it's not that bad. I am moderately well equipped at 51, 835 unbuffed ac 1575 unbuffed hp. Between my buffs and typical 50ish cleric buffs I have 925 ac or more, and with symbol of Naltron (I think that's the name) I have seen my hp go over 3k. This allows me to tank well in most non-raid situations, ie most of the stuff in KC. I have also tanked in ME, and it was tough. Those goranga shamans hit 150, are level 55, and have tons of hp. Are they easier with a warrior tanking? Yes. Am I also capable of it? Yes.
Now, do I solo? Sure. Do I do it as well as a Mage, Necro, or Shammy? No. Can I kill any green/low blue? More or less. Can I kill regular blues? Depends on how close they are to being low blue, and how many arrows I bring. With arrows I can kill some very tough things, as long as I can get off an ensnare, which lasts quite a while. I can also take animals that are even tougher, obviously because I can fear kite them for 10 mana per cast.
As far as what stat is most important, it is all situational. On a ToV raid I scrounge up all the resist gear I can find because the wurms there ae nuke for 350+. Ac doesn't matter because if it aggroes me I'm dead in 5 seconds anyways. Therfore, in that situation STR, DEX, and STA are important (Again, remember the resist gear and maybe some hp gear too If you can get it without sacrificing resists). Soloing you need the high ac, and STR, DEX, and some STA and maybe even some AGI along with hitpoints. However, Agility is highly overrated and is not something to worry about for most rangers. (wood elves have 105 base for example) A swarmcaller will also help solo, as it severly limits how much dmg the mob you are facing can do to you.
In regular groups I mix ac and hp with melee stats (STR, DEX, STA, AGI). Balance here is good. If I find myself tanking I will switch my off hand Centi LS for a Sword Breaker (9/20 10ac).
On a final note, a Ranger is capable of both tanking and solo with the right mindset and with the right equiptment. Carrying extra gear does reduce the amount of loot you can carry, but you are a better ranger because of it.
Now, do I solo? Sure. Do I do it as well as a Mage, Necro, or Shammy? No. Can I kill any green/low blue? More or less. Can I kill regular blues? Depends on how close they are to being low blue, and how many arrows I bring. With arrows I can kill some very tough things, as long as I can get off an ensnare, which lasts quite a while. I can also take animals that are even tougher, obviously because I can fear kite them for 10 mana per cast.
As far as what stat is most important, it is all situational. On a ToV raid I scrounge up all the resist gear I can find because the wurms there ae nuke for 350+. Ac doesn't matter because if it aggroes me I'm dead in 5 seconds anyways. Therfore, in that situation STR, DEX, and STA are important (Again, remember the resist gear and maybe some hp gear too If you can get it without sacrificing resists). Soloing you need the high ac, and STR, DEX, and some STA and maybe even some AGI along with hitpoints. However, Agility is highly overrated and is not something to worry about for most rangers. (wood elves have 105 base for example) A swarmcaller will also help solo, as it severly limits how much dmg the mob you are facing can do to you.
In regular groups I mix ac and hp with melee stats (STR, DEX, STA, AGI). Balance here is good. If I find myself tanking I will switch my off hand Centi LS for a Sword Breaker (9/20 10ac).
On a final note, a Ranger is capable of both tanking and solo with the right mindset and with the right equiptment. Carrying extra gear does reduce the amount of loot you can carry, but you are a better ranger because of it.
47 war here saying that rangers can solo, i bet if the right strategy is used any class in game could solo to 30 or so, the question is whether the exp per time is mroe effective in a group with lower downtime. but believe me rangers can solo, they do it all the time in kc, and make my pulls very difficult sometimes by parking their mob mid halway lol.
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Thats True at lvl 36 or so i soloed Snow Cougars in IceClad with my Rogue who wasn't twinked that much. I used poisons to get some extra damage. However as you said down time made it unaffect compared to group fighting.
Whoever says that Rangers cannot solo have never played one. Ever hear of Bow kiting? Yeah, so what if it takes 5 minutes to kill something (longer at higher levels), i still solo'ed didnt i? In regards to tanking; I tank regularly, whether in groups or partnered (shammy/ranger rocks btw). Sure, i need a heal now and then, but tell me of any warrior that doesnt need a heal......? Go ahead, i'll wait......
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From what I have learnt and read, AGI is defensive, and DEX is offensive. So in theory AGI should help (potential effectiveness for)Dodge, Parry, Riposte, Disarm and DEX helps Taunt, Kick, Dual Wield, Double Attack. Just my 
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AYE....and well said...as a 51 Ranger I have to agree. I solo most the time..and as long as I can get a snare off...the mob is mine...even yellows if snare will stick and I have 45 min to kite them. As for Tanking..I haven't met a warrior yet that could keep aggro from me...I do know a 56 Monk that I have to work to take it from though. We dont have the hps of tanks but I haven't met one yet that can outdamage me or last as long in a constant pull without backup. Rangers cant kill the mob as fast as a Wiz, Necro, Druid, or Mage when solo'ing but, if played right, a Ranger can solo almost any mob..with that said....Where'd I put that fletching kit....need more arrows.
Absolutely. You couldn't be more right. I tank quite often when my warrior pals aren't around and seldom have problems. I frequently group with a cleric and she never complains about being oom while I'm tanking. Played correctly a Ranger can be a marvelous class. Sure it can be difficult and discouraging at times, but that's part of the fun. I still solo from time to time as well. Soloing animals is incredibly easy, but even doing Hill Giants in Rathe or Frost Giants in Great Divide isn't too bad. I always tell people when I solo giants that I pretend I'm a druid with the old root/DoT/shoot till they are good and softened up then charge in like I'm a warrior and hope I hit faster than the mob. The only thing I might disagree with is the AGI issue. I won't claim to be the expert here, but from my experience I do seem to get hit less. When grouped with a warrior as main tank I will occassionally throw in a taunt if he's getting the snot beat out of him and I'm sitting there with a full health bar. When I do this the mob frequently turns on me for several misses until the warrior gets aggro back. So the warrior gets a breather and I lose nothing. Doesn't always work that way, but hey it's worth a shot. Maybe it's just dumb luck but I think I get hit less because of my AGI which is much higher than my warrior pals.
Anyway - Rangers are a great class to play a little bit of druid and a little bit of warrior. Played right they are extremely fun and effective.
Edited, Wed Jul 3 10:28:29 2002
Anyway - Rangers are a great class to play a little bit of druid and a little bit of warrior. Played right they are extremely fun and effective.
Edited, Wed Jul 3 10:28:29 2002
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Agility...I dont have proof on this but from what I seen growing up as a Ranger. With or without sow I was always waiting for those on /follow to catch up. And at 167 agi. Well, I just wish them mobs when they did hit wouldn't hit so hard...lol. Stats I haven't seen a major diff as a ranger except for Dex and the bow. Had a Bard friend that just got their dex buff song and used it. My dex went up to 225 and I made a 144dmg bow shot with a Trueshot bow and 4dmg 150rng arrows. Have yet to have a bow shot do that much ever again. Although with normal dex of 136 I do commonly hit for 74dmg. So, I do believe all the stats help in some way..Obvious or not.
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what lvl is this ranger and what bow are you using? 144 seems like a kinda low hit for lvl 55 (when you get trueshot). I remember hitting in the high 180 and mid 200s with trueshot. just my thoughts...
Note that he said trueshot BOW as in Trueshot Longbow, not the trueshot disc.
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Well well well! After a few weeks of bad-mouthing my Ranger as useless, a waste of time; griping that we get screwed because so many of our spells don't stack; we're given low AC, low HP, and low to moderate ATK, but we're still expected to pull; I've finally gotten my lazy butt to actually start USING all these varied spells we have!
Maybe I'm alone here, but good lord, Careless Lightning(I don't have CoF), Wolf Form, CoE, SoN, Bramblecoat, Shield of Barmbles, and charging into the fray unafraid of aggro using that WICKED Jolt spell are all new things to me! I was lazy -- didn't explore what all of my spells are capable of and I regret it.
I spent hours ranting and raving about how damn useless Rangers are! Ugh I feel like such a jack@$$! All you Rangers out there that are getting discouraged and starting Monks, Chanters, Clerics, and Warriors, and any other cliche'd class that is in demand everywhere reconsider. You only have to prove your worth once to a zone that keeps regulars (i.e. Velks, KC, ME) and you're set for life.
I really can't stress jolt enough! It is GODLY! All the answers to our AC and HP problems (as long as it doesn't get resisted every other cast but what're ya gonna do? =) ) Just think of us as a VERY effective DOT for the group. *smile*
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Furdaen Fairmark
1st Pathfinder of Kelethin
Pathway To Light
Seventh Hammer Server
Maybe I'm alone here, but good lord, Careless Lightning(I don't have CoF), Wolf Form, CoE, SoN, Bramblecoat, Shield of Barmbles, and charging into the fray unafraid of aggro using that WICKED Jolt spell are all new things to me! I was lazy -- didn't explore what all of my spells are capable of and I regret it.
I spent hours ranting and raving about how damn useless Rangers are! Ugh I feel like such a jack@$$! All you Rangers out there that are getting discouraged and starting Monks, Chanters, Clerics, and Warriors, and any other cliche'd class that is in demand everywhere reconsider. You only have to prove your worth once to a zone that keeps regulars (i.e. Velks, KC, ME) and you're set for life.
I really can't stress jolt enough! It is GODLY! All the answers to our AC and HP problems (as long as it doesn't get resisted every other cast but what're ya gonna do? =) ) Just think of us as a VERY effective DOT for the group. *smile*
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Furdaen Fairmark
1st Pathfinder of Kelethin
Pathway To Light
Seventh Hammer Server
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All you rangers that think your screwed get over it. If you did not relize that the higher lvls would be more difficult then being in your 20's you should not be playing such a hard class in the first place. I know the feeling die fast, we get crap armor and its hard as hell to get groups post 50. Its hard to solo anything for good xp outside of animals. So you want to be a tank and get all the groups then start a warrior. Give up that sow or the heavenly snare spell. Go to your momma when you can no longer solo anything cause your a warrior. YOu know whats funny rangers are not tanks, they never was and never will be. Its all you lvl 45+noob rangers out there that give the good rangers a bad name.
Ohh yeah I have crap gear on my 53 ranger from lvling way too much and I can still solo like mad. Its not the class its the player. Hell I wish I had some Thorny Vine but I don't ohh well. I can still solo 2 rockhoppers on a bad pull in Dawnshroud with some ease and little bit of work.
Vasteel theViator on the Rathe
Not uber just good...
Ohh yeah I have crap gear on my 53 ranger from lvling way too much and I can still solo like mad. Its not the class its the player. Hell I wish I had some Thorny Vine but I don't ohh well. I can still solo 2 rockhoppers on a bad pull in Dawnshroud with some ease and little bit of work.
Vasteel theViator on the Rathe
Not uber just good...
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Only two?
How about 3 plus the 3 shrooms some idiot drops on you as he/she runs by?
How about snaring and rooting 4 rockhopper mobs, while they are pounding on you, on a bad pull and running for the NL zone without worry about killing the 5 level 30's hunting there?
Rangers are amazing in their hybrid abilities and I say that without deprecating any other class. I will group with any class any time and enjoy so long as they have learned to use the skills they were given.
How about 3 plus the 3 shrooms some idiot drops on you as he/she runs by?
How about snaring and rooting 4 rockhopper mobs, while they are pounding on you, on a bad pull and running for the NL zone without worry about killing the 5 level 30's hunting there?
Rangers are amazing in their hybrid abilities and I say that without deprecating any other class. I will group with any class any time and enjoy so long as they have learned to use the skills they were given.
I am an old ranger. I have a full suit of thorny vine in the bank. I sometimes bank my kael armor and wear it because it does in fact look boss on half elves. New graphics with SoL make me look like i'm wearing IVY in a full suit of kael. Thorny vine looks quite sharp with the new engine.
-Ranger
Taking EQ lightly for 60 levels...and then some
-Ranger
Taking EQ lightly for 60 levels...and then some
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Go to hate guys.. Breast Plate of the Untamed.. it OWNS this. Period! 37ac 8str 10wis 12dex 10sta 4agi 10svmagic 4 to all other saves (I think) 25hp 50 mana (or the other way around). Was a hella nice upgrade from my Ry'gorr BP (over dbl the ac) and has a clickable CoE effect. Only down side is most everyone I have talked to has never seen one drop, I just got so lucky my first time up. :)
Edited, Tue Jan 15 23:11:06 2002
Edited, Tue Jan 15 23:11:06 2002
Untamed is awesome, but the look sucks, and its not near as easy to get. Thorny vine looks awesome and has better stats then most tradable armors youll be able to afford 46 to 55, I have some of both and if I get my chance I want a full set of Untamed, even if I look like a neon green panzy. If your lookign to upgrade fromt hat ryorr gor I'd camp fear, easy drops and better then you you'll probally already have)
Wuldayen of Zeb.
Wuldayen of Zeb.
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comparing to TV, poh2 ranger ar is ultra rare ;/
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You guys love to bash your own class, it sounds to me but hey who cares. Rangers are a difficult class to play not becuse of the class, bu because of the clichqe that surronds the name, and seeing dtuff like this posted here its no wonder.
Next Rangers arnt TANKS !! were not and we never will be so clear that out of your mind. Rangers should be played alot like a rogue, the only way we should get hit other than a riptose hit is by pulling taunt off the tank. Rangers are heavy offensive, light tanks, and useing the "tank" word carefully. We are there to do damage and lots of it so it dies quick and we can move to the next one.
Also yes you can solo into your 50's, sure the exp sucks compared to a group, thats becuse of the pace of a 6 person group. A 6 peep group in Kc can pull non stop if setup correctly, and your exp will move right along, but you can solo. I solo alot in DL, pulling Ragers only. Snare, throw a couple spells a them, and then melee away, its not rocket science. Med to full and go again, keep your buffs up and always have your attack buffs up, strength of nature at 51 is the most important along with COE in second.
Now i have a question, in three runs in Fear i got 3 peices of TV, legs, boots, and arms. I am wondering has anyone noticed any kinda sequence on the drops in Fear? Our guild / alliance usually leaves 1 tenacle tormenter up, that the one that hangs around the fire ring close to Cazic, i got a suspicsion that this one holds the good loot maybe the BP, but i cant talk them into pulling it because they are afraid of aggroing Cazic. Anyone got any kinda opinions on this? I've never seen a BP drop or heard of one within our guild / alliance, or a helm for that matter, just wanting to complete my set os TV soon and looking for ways to speed it up is all. Anyway any helpgull advice woud be welcome, but after thinking about Verants tactics i would imagine that the drop rate is just random.
Good luck out there fellow Rangers *salutes*
Karlac Enumclaw
1st Season Pathfinder
Next Rangers arnt TANKS !! were not and we never will be so clear that out of your mind. Rangers should be played alot like a rogue, the only way we should get hit other than a riptose hit is by pulling taunt off the tank. Rangers are heavy offensive, light tanks, and useing the "tank" word carefully. We are there to do damage and lots of it so it dies quick and we can move to the next one.
Also yes you can solo into your 50's, sure the exp sucks compared to a group, thats becuse of the pace of a 6 person group. A 6 peep group in Kc can pull non stop if setup correctly, and your exp will move right along, but you can solo. I solo alot in DL, pulling Ragers only. Snare, throw a couple spells a them, and then melee away, its not rocket science. Med to full and go again, keep your buffs up and always have your attack buffs up, strength of nature at 51 is the most important along with COE in second.
Now i have a question, in three runs in Fear i got 3 peices of TV, legs, boots, and arms. I am wondering has anyone noticed any kinda sequence on the drops in Fear? Our guild / alliance usually leaves 1 tenacle tormenter up, that the one that hangs around the fire ring close to Cazic, i got a suspicsion that this one holds the good loot maybe the BP, but i cant talk them into pulling it because they are afraid of aggroing Cazic. Anyone got any kinda opinions on this? I've never seen a BP drop or heard of one within our guild / alliance, or a helm for that matter, just wanting to complete my set os TV soon and looking for ways to speed it up is all. Anyway any helpgull advice woud be welcome, but after thinking about Verants tactics i would imagine that the drop rate is just random.
Good luck out there fellow Rangers *salutes*
Karlac Enumclaw
1st Season Pathfinder
Planar drops are like anywhere else... random. BPs are of course the rarest (and in my exp, ranger-only BPs are some of the rarest, ie Tolan's BP, Hate BP, etc).
I've noticed in my various trips to Fear and Hate that some of the most common drops tend to be shaman, bard and cleric. Not sure if the tables are tilted that way or just how the luck of the drops have turned out. Bards need to be more willing to join Hate raids... I've seen full sets of Hate bard armor rot because invited bards couldn't bother to tear themselves away from EXP groups in places like DL! (Hmm... full new set of armor vs a couple yellow bulbs...)
Just my two cp!
I've noticed in my various trips to Fear and Hate that some of the most common drops tend to be shaman, bard and cleric. Not sure if the tables are tilted that way or just how the luck of the drops have turned out. Bards need to be more willing to join Hate raids... I've seen full sets of Hate bard armor rot because invited bards couldn't bother to tear themselves away from EXP groups in places like DL! (Hmm... full new set of armor vs a couple yellow bulbs...)
Just my two cp!
I play a wizard and a ranger on innoruuk. I have been to the planes more times that I think a grown wizard should have to, but then again. Porters are the only way you do the planes. Enough of this...on to why I posted.
The Thorny Vine and or any planar drops are not based off of WHICH mob of the selected species you pull. It is a totally random event and that is all. You just luck out sometimes and then other times you do not.
The Thorny Vine and or any planar drops are not based off of WHICH mob of the selected species you pull. It is a totally random event and that is all. You just luck out sometimes and then other times you do not.
Just lucked into a roll on this chestplate tonite. I too wore Treeweave ac25 str10 for many levels. Certainly this is a better choice, as it's like 4 stones lighter, and for one less strength you get 1 more ac, 13 wis, and 50 hp. So it's still a pretty hefty step up. Is it in leagues with any other class planar drop? No. Is it worth the risk/reward? Well, yeah. You'll be with 20-30 other people anyway and after the break the plane should be easy enough.
As for Rangers and their life, I'm pretty happy with mine. Yeah levels 1-40 were pretty easy (once you finally got over the fact that your class wasn't the most desired in a group, the higher you got, the more you could solo). Started getting dangerous in the 40's since we start doing some nice damage with (hopefully) some decent weapons (like wurmslayer), and started getting the mob's attention. Tricky keeping them off. 51 and Jolt changed all that and made fighting a delight again, and tipped the scales in the ranger's favor. With a wurmslayer and a lammie, haste and jolt, I'm a MAJOR addition to any party and outdamage most of the tank classes *without* getting too beat up. What goes away is the ability to solo. Bye bye. I can do a few things in dreadlands still (at 51), and I'm sure there are places here and there. But yes, light blue and green mobs start to be able to kill you. Easily. It's time to group. And 50's levels should be grouping anyway. *Nobody* can do much at these levels without a chanter/cleric combo anyway. We're not alone in that regard. And now our spells are starting to pack a bit of a punch anyway (300pt dd, decent dots).
I have loved being a ranger. The risk isn't as great as when I play my chanter. The rewards aren't as great as when I play my chanter. I'm not as desired in a group as my chanter. I don't make as much money as my chanter. I level a hell of a lot faster with my chanter. But for anyone that wants to fight, cast, and be a jack of all trades (and a freaking awesome fighter later in life), the Ranger's life is a pretty good one.
As for Rangers and their life, I'm pretty happy with mine. Yeah levels 1-40 were pretty easy (once you finally got over the fact that your class wasn't the most desired in a group, the higher you got, the more you could solo). Started getting dangerous in the 40's since we start doing some nice damage with (hopefully) some decent weapons (like wurmslayer), and started getting the mob's attention. Tricky keeping them off. 51 and Jolt changed all that and made fighting a delight again, and tipped the scales in the ranger's favor. With a wurmslayer and a lammie, haste and jolt, I'm a MAJOR addition to any party and outdamage most of the tank classes *without* getting too beat up. What goes away is the ability to solo. Bye bye. I can do a few things in dreadlands still (at 51), and I'm sure there are places here and there. But yes, light blue and green mobs start to be able to kill you. Easily. It's time to group. And 50's levels should be grouping anyway. *Nobody* can do much at these levels without a chanter/cleric combo anyway. We're not alone in that regard. And now our spells are starting to pack a bit of a punch anyway (300pt dd, decent dots).
I have loved being a ranger. The risk isn't as great as when I play my chanter. The rewards aren't as great as when I play my chanter. I'm not as desired in a group as my chanter. I don't make as much money as my chanter. I level a hell of a lot faster with my chanter. But for anyone that wants to fight, cast, and be a jack of all trades (and a freaking awesome fighter later in life), the Ranger's life is a pretty good one.
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OK im a 51 pathfinder , i think that if you look at the Bp's that most low to upper 30' Warriors are useing is Crafted 25 ac bp with stats , what are rangers useing ?. Ivy or Rygorr ac18 or 19 .
OK are spells (DoT,DD,imbued proc) puts us in the same DMG area as Rogues and Monks , if not higher in some cases . A warrior's crits are not going to come close to touching your DMG and definatly at higher lvls . Thats Why they gave us the spell "Jolt" so we can Put a hurting on a mob cast jolt lose agro (Boost warriors pride) and do some very nice DMG . But given that still rangers DDo need a much better high lvl armor selection from 40+.
PS i also play a Warrior i love playing my Warrior he is a A** kicker . Im not trying to put any classes down , i love them all .
OK are spells (DoT,DD,imbued proc) puts us in the same DMG area as Rogues and Monks , if not higher in some cases . A warrior's crits are not going to come close to touching your DMG and definatly at higher lvls . Thats Why they gave us the spell "Jolt" so we can Put a hurting on a mob cast jolt lose agro (Boost warriors pride) and do some very nice DMG . But given that still rangers DDo need a much better high lvl armor selection from 40+.
PS i also play a Warrior i love playing my Warrior he is a A** kicker . Im not trying to put any classes down , i love them all .
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I have a 48 ranger and I have to agree with Eldoran. Verant seriously screws with rangers after around 45. Prior to that time we can kick the crap out of anything of equal or lesser level and can fight AND tank as well as any other melee class INCLUDING warriors. After 45, however, well, we pretty much get our BUTTS handed to us by everything. We still have good offensive capabilities but we get the CRAP kicked out of us by mobs.
Here is where I differ with Eldoran. Why do rangers get there butts kicked by mobs after 45? Is it the inferior armor options we have such as this thorny vine stuff? No! Is it a problem with low HP's? No! Rangers have pretty a pretty decent amount of HP's. What is the problem, then? It is the very low defensive caps that rangers have! Our defense maxes out at level 39 and NEVER goes up again? I often play with a level 48 paladin who has his defense at 210 and mine is at 200. He fares MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better defensively. Greens can barely touch him. And I have higher AC than him with my gear!
So better armor is NOT going to help rangers much. It will help us take blows a little better but it is NOT going to help us avoid hits. That's what defensive skills do. And our defensive skills stink.
So the quest now is: why does verant nerf rangers so badly in the late game? And I have no clear answer but here are some possible explanations:
(1) It makes warriors necessary. And they ARE unnecessary if you have a ranger up until the 40's.
(2) They want everyone to group into large groups so we can all be little socialites. Rangers after 45 almost must join larger groups with a real tank in order to do well.
(3) Perhaps they think we are "evolving" into more druid-like creatures. Verant DOES give us some nice DOT's and DD spells in our 50's. To me these are not much of a consolation, though.
(4) They are punishing us for having a relatively easy time from 1-40.
You tell me.
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Typical!!!
I scrape and save and take a beating, get no respect because I'm a RanJar, make it as far as level 53 and finally make it to Fear and the Ultimate Ranger item is a BP with 26 AC and +9 STR? GIVE ME A BREAK. I have been sporting a Treeweave for like 8 levels with AC25 STR +10.
I can't see that the Risk/Reward Table Justifies the hassle in getting this. In Fact, ALL of the Thorny Vine Armour pretty much sucks. Tolan's is Far Better and a lot less risky to get (except of course the BP and Legs which are, well, difficult at best). I just Hope that when SoL comes out that Rangers can get a shot at competitive armour before reaching Level 55 and being in an Uber Guild. Verant really takes the fun out of the game for post 50 when you virtually CANNOT get any good drops without having an UBER Guild Tag.
Why is it that you can solo yellows pre-35 and post 50 Greens can kill you? Seems to be inconsistent. Not only that, Vox and Naggy can't be touched. If they don't change things drastically, I see most everyone finding another MMORPG to spend their time on cough***DAoC***cough.
In summary - Should you go to Fear KNOWING you will die on break-in, lose experience and possibly a level in the Hopes that you will get the Ultimate BP that is one more AC and one LESS Str than a Treeweave? Ummmm - NOT!!!!!!
I scrape and save and take a beating, get no respect because I'm a RanJar, make it as far as level 53 and finally make it to Fear and the Ultimate Ranger item is a BP with 26 AC and +9 STR? GIVE ME A BREAK. I have been sporting a Treeweave for like 8 levels with AC25 STR +10.
I can't see that the Risk/Reward Table Justifies the hassle in getting this. In Fact, ALL of the Thorny Vine Armour pretty much sucks. Tolan's is Far Better and a lot less risky to get (except of course the BP and Legs which are, well, difficult at best). I just Hope that when SoL comes out that Rangers can get a shot at competitive armour before reaching Level 55 and being in an Uber Guild. Verant really takes the fun out of the game for post 50 when you virtually CANNOT get any good drops without having an UBER Guild Tag.
Why is it that you can solo yellows pre-35 and post 50 Greens can kill you? Seems to be inconsistent. Not only that, Vox and Naggy can't be touched. If they don't change things drastically, I see most everyone finding another MMORPG to spend their time on cough***DAoC***cough.
In summary - Should you go to Fear KNOWING you will die on break-in, lose experience and possibly a level in the Hopes that you will get the Ultimate BP that is one more AC and one LESS Str than a Treeweave? Ummmm - NOT!!!!!!
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1) TV is not the "ultimate ranger armor". It used to be, before Kunark, arguably. Things have changed.
2) Treeweave does not have HP and WIS
3) You might be a bit bitter about the loot you get it seems. Try to make some friends, and it will come.
4) 100 pp will be yours if you solo a yellow at 34 for me, like you state you can.
5) You don't like the game? DON'T PLAY IT!!
2) Treeweave does not have HP and WIS
3) You might be a bit bitter about the loot you get it seems. Try to make some friends, and it will come.
4) 100 pp will be yours if you solo a yellow at 34 for me, like you state you can.
5) You don't like the game? DON'T PLAY IT!!
> 4) 100 pp will be yours if you solo a yellow at
> 34 for me, like you state you can.
G'day all, I'm only a low 27 ranger at the moment but I can assure you that soloing a yellow mob is easily possible pre 35 provided it's an Animal: with Snare, Panic Animal and a good deal of melee/heaps of arrows :) Yellow Wooly (even Tainted which seem to have a higher MR) mammoths in Everfrost for one are really easy and good xp.
So, what about my 100 PP? ;)
Take care,
Uncle Toni
> 34 for me, like you state you can.
G'day all, I'm only a low 27 ranger at the moment but I can assure you that soloing a yellow mob is easily possible pre 35 provided it's an Animal: with Snare, Panic Animal and a good deal of melee/heaps of arrows :) Yellow Wooly (even Tainted which seem to have a higher MR) mammoths in Everfrost for one are really easy and good xp.
So, what about my 100 PP? ;)
Take care,
Uncle Toni
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You full of it im 34 and i solo red tundra mammmoths in EW easy. Snare and fear- its godlike
Considering that most mobs AREN'T animals, mammoths don't really count, even if rangers didn't get panic animal, there is an enormously underused function called "running backwards" nearly as easy as fear-kiting, and you can do it to ALL mobs, thats what snare is for.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 04 2001 at 12:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nowadays armor like this is crap! sure, its still high up there, bbut with all the Coldain/kael/skyshrine armors you can get WITHOUT going to a plane, there is no point in this. even the coldain BP which is the worst of the three has 36ac and alot more stats than this peice.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Feb 22 2001 at 4:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) We got <Doraemon> screwed by <Sailor moon> VERANT again?? They'z nerfed da <Pokemon> STR??
7 posts
picture of item says it adds +9 str, info says it dont...which is correct?
16 posts
It does add 9 str.
15 posts
It's an interesting point.. If you'll notice the info also says it's a lore item, which doesn't show on the screenshot. My own thoughts are that the font in the screenshot looks quite big, which I have seen to be true of a lot of 'older' items (Screenshots that were taken a while back maybe before some patch change). This could mean that the information on the item has changed in game and the picture has not been replaced/updated. That would seem to me to be the most likely explaination, also considering an item is more likely (in my mind) to become Lore, than to become non-lore.
If that makes any sense at all, then I hope I've helped!
Jerhyn Darkrain,
Wind Rider
Ranger of Tunare in the 26th Season
If that makes any sense at all, then I hope I've helped!
Jerhyn Darkrain,
Wind Rider
Ranger of Tunare in the 26th Season
Anonymous
thorny vine was at one time lore, and before that it wasnt no drop. this screenshot was taken right after they made it no drop, and right before they made it lore
45 posts
Still not LORE as of Jan 7th, 2002 .. just to let you know.
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Heh, it's NO DROP, couldn't give a rats **** if it's LORE, you gonna carry two of the same BP that you can't drop?....the mind wobbles...
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