Planes of Power
I think most of you are sadly mistaken on the raw dmg of most warders. I personally am now playing my monk as prime 70 w/ epic 1.5 and battlefist atm and in a raid right now hoping for this to drop.
The point though is that NO WHERE IN ANY PROXIMITY does my wifes 70 BST with the epic 1.5 and Battlefist COMPARE in dps EVEN with her warder which is epic proc'd and rss pet booster.
the comparison is 240.26 dps vs my 330.36. These parses were taken by yaulp on the banker in Katta for 19 minutes approxamately. Spike and min dmg's were fairly sporadic due to crits and dmgs dealt with specials by the monk though the average is pretty even
I am not saying this is for monks or bsts but I am sure telling you that dps wise a monk wielding this will hit more often.
Now raid dmg wise I would agree on most mobs this could be more heavily pointed towards Bsts as most times they are melee'ing while the monks are pulling, but in the circumstance of killing Xegony and such monks will deal enough dmg over time to catchup to them in raid total dmg.
You can yourself prove all this by going and getting yalp and raid parsing and see whom is on the top 10 of your 72 person raid. You will notice that Rangers rogues and monks are in that category.
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I am not going to say which class is better at what but i would just like to know why people dont consider pets as being part of a persons dps.
"beastlord's warder" isnt in your group without beastlord. "beastlords warder" doesnt do dmg unless beastlord does. and when "beastlord" dies, so does "beastlords warder" which to me seems like "beastlords warder" is actually part of beastlord. yes sometimes "beastlords warder" isnt there, but 99% of the time beastlords fight WITH their warders.
::THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE::
if bst does 200 dps, and warder does 100 dps, then in my opinion, bst is actually doing 300 dps.
"bst's suck without their warders"
ok thats fine, thank you. go home.
i have my warder up like oh... all the time. when he dies i suck. but when he dies i tend to bring him back asap. dont know why, just a habit. like seeing him quad 79 and crit 120... mebbe just me.
monks are master pullers and i applaud every ubër monk i know. but monks are easier to suck with than bst's (and yes i do have a monk of equal level to my bst, that i made, not bought)
ive been told that im a good groupier with my bst. i suck with my monk. pure suck.
as the famous saying goes. "thats just my 2cp"
"beastlord's warder" isnt in your group without beastlord. "beastlords warder" doesnt do dmg unless beastlord does. and when "beastlord" dies, so does "beastlords warder" which to me seems like "beastlords warder" is actually part of beastlord. yes sometimes "beastlords warder" isnt there, but 99% of the time beastlords fight WITH their warders.
::THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE::
if bst does 200 dps, and warder does 100 dps, then in my opinion, bst is actually doing 300 dps.
"bst's suck without their warders"
ok thats fine, thank you. go home.
i have my warder up like oh... all the time. when he dies i suck. but when he dies i tend to bring him back asap. dont know why, just a habit. like seeing him quad 79 and crit 120... mebbe just me.
monks are master pullers and i applaud every ubër monk i know. but monks are easier to suck with than bst's (and yes i do have a monk of equal level to my bst, that i made, not bought)
ive been told that im a good groupier with my bst. i suck with my monk. pure suck.
as the famous saying goes. "thats just my 2cp"
im not trying to fuel any flames here, but it is basically proven that monks, rogues, and berserkers are the best (melee) DPS. this is the reason why monks, AND rogues and berserkers do not get spells, when Beastlords do.. although SOE doesnt make the best decisions on some things the classes mostly balance out importance wise. now I am not trying to be one of those typical "lawlz mnks pwn bsts" type of guys, but when it comes to DPS.. monks come out on top, and Beastlords arent quite meant to be the same. thats why they have spells, and pets.
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 7:38pm by Bethgin
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as the famous saying goes. "thats just my 2cp"
Edited, Feb 9th 2010 7:38pm by Bethgin
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Posted: Dec 09 2004 at 7:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yea beastlords get double attack aa
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You are 100% correct, BL don't out damage monks. We aren't meant to out damage monks, hence we are known as a hybrid class. but just because your a monk in game doesnt mean this or any other bst useable weapon wouldnt benefit us.
Edited, Mon Jan 17 23:28:46 2005
Edited, Mon Jan 17 23:28:46 2005
I believe what is posted here makes the most sense out of basically any post I have ever read..
I honestly think that, as a monk, even if monks do have higher DPS than beastlords that doesnt mean that beastlords shouldnt get loot since, basically every monk usable weapon is usable by beastlords also. I mean come on, the weapon should go to whoever wins the roll, whoever has the most DKP, etc etc.. not to a greedy monk who thinks he deserves it more than beastlords or to a beastlord that has something to prove to the rest of the classes
I honestly think that, as a monk, even if monks do have higher DPS than beastlords that doesnt mean that beastlords shouldnt get loot since, basically every monk usable weapon is usable by beastlords also. I mean come on, the weapon should go to whoever wins the roll, whoever has the most DKP, etc etc.. not to a greedy monk who thinks he deserves it more than beastlords or to a beastlord that has something to prove to the rest of the classes
37 posts
either my guild is EXTREMELY lucky or this "rare drop" is wrong. Gotten 3 total in killing xegony twice.
20 posts
our guild has the exact same numbers
8 posts
I abviously dont make a habit of making Posts, well actually i never make posts, just look at equipment and stuff while im LFG like most peeps, anyways about the much older posts below beast's are shaman / monk hybrids, so thinking bout that a sec you might go head and ask yourself who is gonna do more dmg..second it's just a flippin weapon lmao. Monks are a dime a dozen, but a good monk like any class is priceless, doesnt matter if you bought your account or played through if you know your class then there isnt any complaining to be had. after reading alot of posts on tons of gear this has to rate the funniest. Anyways take the whole class debates to the class forums, talk out the gear like who/what/when/where/how does this stuff drop.
Nice H2H, cant say i would sport it but nice.
Nice H2H, cant say i would sport it but nice.
13 posts
What is this weaps graphic
Blue glowing fist with sparklies =)
2 posts
ok, ive scanned this whole page, will someone tell me how much this goes for?
Pamaen
Pamaen
34 posts
No Drop item!
10 posts
unless he's on FV server, possibly?? most no drop stuff there is droppable
4 posts
This weekend I collected dps data for numerous weapons. Hope this helps anyone saving dkp for weapons upgrades.
Each test was done on Researcher Kaeon in POI. I had no buffs, did not use Epic Haste, and performed no special attacks such as Thunder Kicks. Just clicked on the attack button and walked away for over an hour. Each test consists of over an hour of non-stop melee to Researcher Kaeon's backside. The only equipment switch out between tests were the weapons themselves, which did alter my atk value slightly due to stat changes. I have all 2hb AA and Ambi AA.
REBB, 1447 atk = 94.8 dps
Exquisite Puresteel Wraps + Battle Fists, 1430 atk = 95.4 dps
Zha, 1446 atk = 96.8 dps
Armandy
<Infinit>
65 Monk on Eci
Each test was done on Researcher Kaeon in POI. I had no buffs, did not use Epic Haste, and performed no special attacks such as Thunder Kicks. Just clicked on the attack button and walked away for over an hour. Each test consists of over an hour of non-stop melee to Researcher Kaeon's backside. The only equipment switch out between tests were the weapons themselves, which did alter my atk value slightly due to stat changes. I have all 2hb AA and Ambi AA.
REBB, 1447 atk = 94.8 dps
Exquisite Puresteel Wraps + Battle Fists, 1430 atk = 95.4 dps
Zha, 1446 atk = 96.8 dps
Armandy
<Infinit>
65 Monk on Eci
7 posts
Sinister Strikes?
Edited, Sun Jul 4 02:31:29 2004
Edited, Sun Jul 4 02:31:29 2004
14 posts
thats pretty low dps for having the aa's imo and i know i play a monk :P
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Posted: Jan 06 2004 at 5:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All the discussion below is just plain stupid, cut the "my d*ck is bigger than yours" talk and play EQ
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Posted: Apr 26 2004 at 4:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe if you wouldn't enforce someone **** size being a way to judge their stature then it would stop moron. Analogy or not words are literal in themselves...
Totally agree. I find it particularly funny that people are arguing over damage output with a difference of 5-20 HP when most of the mobs you're fighting at lvl 65 have HP in the thousands. Who cares? It's a game. Enjoy it for what it is.
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Posted: Apr 26 2004 at 4:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Here's something to chew on. If there were no competition there would be no need for multi player games. So if you don't feel the need to compete there are tons of console games just waiting to be bought, this game is for constant competiton between all who play it and people who disagree can either stay and have a bad time or leave...
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Monk in a time guid and I use duel weild for pulling since the hps are greater and dps is still good. I know 2hb would be better dps but does that bother me NO do I think a beastie should get this weapon sure if they earn it both classes can benefit from this weapon so who cares who gets it as long as they earned it.
Just my 2cp on this rant
Rast AFury
65 Transcendent
The Celestial Rapture
Just my 2cp on this rant
Rast AFury
65 Transcendent
The Celestial Rapture
24 posts
i have capped 2h blunt and h2h i have entwood mace and knotted knuckles 2hblunt i have a amygdalan war staff in a fight i out put MUCH more DPS with the mace and KK than the 2hblunt so if i had a guild capable of getting EPW and BF id take those over the Efreeti Staff of Zha
just my 2cp
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monk of ayonae ro
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well that particular staff is 37/36 with no proc
FSoZ is 35/20 with a 100DD proc but No Damage bonus.
But will still smoke that AWS by a decent amount.
and will also put out more damage than your Entwood Mace/KK combo without any doubt.
You can "think" what you wish fact is though there is no H2H combo in the game that can put out more DPS for a Monk than a REBB 2HB, even a Greatstaff of the Fourwinds which is rather easy to get will do more DPS than ANY H2H combo for a Monk.
IF you put out ANY more DPS with your stated H2H combo over that AWS 2hb it most certainly would NOT be "much" more.
Edited, Mon Aug 18 10:39:56 2003
FSoZ is 35/20 with a 100DD proc but No Damage bonus.
But will still smoke that AWS by a decent amount.
and will also put out more damage than your Entwood Mace/KK combo without any doubt.
You can "think" what you wish fact is though there is no H2H combo in the game that can put out more DPS for a Monk than a REBB 2HB, even a Greatstaff of the Fourwinds which is rather easy to get will do more DPS than ANY H2H combo for a Monk.
IF you put out ANY more DPS with your stated H2H combo over that AWS 2hb it most certainly would NOT be "much" more.
Edited, Mon Aug 18 10:39:56 2003
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"...fact is though there is no H2H combo in the game that can put out more DPS for a Monk than a REBB 2HB..."
This is not correct. Xeg Wraps + BF does more dps than REBB, not by much, but more; I have parsed them.
A more accurate statement about REBB would be that it does more DPS than most h2h weapon combos, until you get Xeg Wraps or better.
This is not correct. Xeg Wraps + BF does more dps than REBB, not by much, but more; I have parsed them.
A more accurate statement about REBB would be that it does more DPS than most h2h weapon combos, until you get Xeg Wraps or better.
If we're talking pre-Time, pre-GoD, pre-OoW, pre-Epic 1.5/2.0, then maybe. But a lot of h2h weapons exist in the said places that will easily outdo a REBB. Time's Shinai (23/20) coupled with a mediocre offhand will massacre the REBB, and even gets close to beating out a Staff of Transcendence (54/30) with no 2h/1h specific AAs.
That was over 2 years ago, many MANY things have changed since then, better weapons, higher lvls, different AAs etc.
At this point depending on your AAs there is very little to any difference between H2H Vs 2HB, if anything H2H outdamages 2HB now.
Fact is, dont give a ratz **** what you think a Monk can do with it, its just a good for a Beast.
I made a Beast, I deserve any weapon I have the points for, the end, same goes for Monk.
I just retired mine for a Crystal Hilted Shinai.
I dont see that big of a difference DPS wise between Beast & Monk, not enough to write home about, Iv seen Mobs where I outdamage a monk and Visa Versa.
At this point depending on your AAs there is very little to any difference between H2H Vs 2HB, if anything H2H outdamages 2HB now.
Fact is, dont give a ratz **** what you think a Monk can do with it, its just a good for a Beast.
I made a Beast, I deserve any weapon I have the points for, the end, same goes for Monk.
I just retired mine for a Crystal Hilted Shinai.
I dont see that big of a difference DPS wise between Beast & Monk, not enough to write home about, Iv seen Mobs where I outdamage a monk and Visa Versa.
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Posted: Jun 17 2003 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 224 dps with a wnl and kasheks katar is impressive. seems like when ive group witha beastlord, or any other none rogue or wizard class, the mobs always die a lot slower when im not attacking it than if the beastlord was...of course i havent had some of those buffs ur talking about so maybe im grouping with the wrong ones. i wouldnt call guild rolling through time ignorant for not having beastlords, but if most of them just wanna run their pet araound causing aggro i wouldnt recruit them either. plus those guilds are probably other recruiting wizards and clerics activily or people already elemental flagged. this is still the best wep for a monk too though. the best 2hb is zha's fiery staff of fury whick is 35/20, but 20/19 and18/20 weps will outdamage that. it would take a damage more than 2 times better than delay to outdamage the extra attacks from duel wielding and double attacking and thats why the "uber" monks use this. i would think guilds at this level would use point system too for loot... and riposte is only when ur attacking from the front, which none of the melees shoud be doing except the tanks. tatsamaruo- i am level 65 but only have 58 aa atm.(rapid feighn 3= it can fail 3 times as much in the same amount of time /cheer)
As mentioned by Nuny...you haven't got a clue about most things.
Rune Etched Bamboo Bo, Fiery Staff of Zha, Caen's Bo Staff of Fury (Staff of Transcendance for PoTime monks) are all better DPS wise for a monk than practically any dual wield combo. Beastlord's 2H blunt, 1H blunt, and piercing all cap at 225, while there H2H skill goes to 250. So many beastlords always go for the good H2H weapon over the 2H blunt.
Beastlords DPS is on par (if he has 5 ranks into DA AA) with monk, unless pets aren't being used. On top of that we have MGB Paragon (with AAs) and other buffs to truly enhance a group/raid. Also very good as preslowers with our 65% slow since we have better avoidance/midigation than chanters.
Rune Etched Bamboo Bo, Fiery Staff of Zha, Caen's Bo Staff of Fury (Staff of Transcendance for PoTime monks) are all better DPS wise for a monk than practically any dual wield combo. Beastlord's 2H blunt, 1H blunt, and piercing all cap at 225, while there H2H skill goes to 250. So many beastlords always go for the good H2H weapon over the 2H blunt.
Beastlords DPS is on par (if he has 5 ranks into DA AA) with monk, unless pets aren't being used. On top of that we have MGB Paragon (with AAs) and other buffs to truly enhance a group/raid. Also very good as preslowers with our 65% slow since we have better avoidance/midigation than chanters.
well i do about the same DPS as Catpurr does more or less, so that looks bout right on the money.
Course DPS is very Mob/situation dependant.
In "general" id have to put a Beastlord easily in the top 3-4 classes for DPS, i mean hell thats what we are, a DPS class...We dont pull, dont heal, dont TL/port, but we can be a HUGE asset to any guild, just like every other class for that matter.
I find i end up slowing or at least pre-slow most mobs to take the pressure off the Shamans & Enchanters since i can take more of a hit than either.
Our Beastlords can easily slow & offtank unmezzable adds and do so better than ANY other class.
In my guild at least we all have MGB and extended Paragon which comes in damn handy when you have 4+ Beastlords casting extended Paragon on the entire raid every 48secs. So for the majority of any battle we can sustain everyone in raid with 242hp per tic regen and 100mana per tic regen.
This has been a nice addition to our raids and in some cases may have been the deciding factor on us winning.
i wouldnt call guild rolling through time ignorant for not having beastlords, but if most of them just wanna run their pet araound causing aggro i wouldnt recruit them either
Well i would, doesnt matter to me that some guild is zerging through time.
and any guild that would 'purposly" not recruit beastlords because they dont think the class has anything in particular to offer, then YES they are idiots..
also Pets dont run around causing aggro, most any beastlord high enough to be in the elementals is obviously going to have /pethold in the first place. pet will only attack exactly what you want him to attack, exactly when you want him to attack.
this is still the best wep for a monk too though. the best 2hb is zha's fiery staff of fury whick is 35/20, but 20/19 and18/20 weps will outdamage that. it would take a damage more than 2 times better than delay to outdamage the extra attacks from duel wielding and double attacking and thats why the "uber" monks use this
not much to say about that statement except WRONG.
I assume this must be the same "Uber" Monks thats in this 'uber" time rolling/zerging guild.
LOL, there are several 2HBs that outdamage the EPW for a Monk.
the mobs always die a lot slower when im not attacking it than if the beastlord was
I assume this rather senseless statement to mean you "think" you must outdamage ALL beastlords you have ever grouped with by a HUGE margin, which can only mean one of two things either you believe that you put out more damage than any Monk on any server, or ALL the Beastlords you have ever grouped with have been under lvl 60 with very subpar gear/weapons and zero AAs..
either way its a baseless and moot statement.
Fact is under most circumstances if both Monk and Beast are equally equiped, and fighting a Mob where pets are permitted they are both about the same DPS wise, least not enough dif to write home about.
and yes this would be technically a better weapon for a Beastlord than a Monk.
The best choice for a Monk is 2Hb.
Best choice for a Beastlord is H2H.
Course DPS is very Mob/situation dependant.
In "general" id have to put a Beastlord easily in the top 3-4 classes for DPS, i mean hell thats what we are, a DPS class...We dont pull, dont heal, dont TL/port, but we can be a HUGE asset to any guild, just like every other class for that matter.
I find i end up slowing or at least pre-slow most mobs to take the pressure off the Shamans & Enchanters since i can take more of a hit than either.
Our Beastlords can easily slow & offtank unmezzable adds and do so better than ANY other class.
In my guild at least we all have MGB and extended Paragon which comes in damn handy when you have 4+ Beastlords casting extended Paragon on the entire raid every 48secs. So for the majority of any battle we can sustain everyone in raid with 242hp per tic regen and 100mana per tic regen.
This has been a nice addition to our raids and in some cases may have been the deciding factor on us winning.
i wouldnt call guild rolling through time ignorant for not having beastlords, but if most of them just wanna run their pet araound causing aggro i wouldnt recruit them either
Well i would, doesnt matter to me that some guild is zerging through time.
and any guild that would 'purposly" not recruit beastlords because they dont think the class has anything in particular to offer, then YES they are idiots..
also Pets dont run around causing aggro, most any beastlord high enough to be in the elementals is obviously going to have /pethold in the first place. pet will only attack exactly what you want him to attack, exactly when you want him to attack.
this is still the best wep for a monk too though. the best 2hb is zha's fiery staff of fury whick is 35/20, but 20/19 and18/20 weps will outdamage that. it would take a damage more than 2 times better than delay to outdamage the extra attacks from duel wielding and double attacking and thats why the "uber" monks use this
not much to say about that statement except WRONG.
I assume this must be the same "Uber" Monks thats in this 'uber" time rolling/zerging guild.
LOL, there are several 2HBs that outdamage the EPW for a Monk.
the mobs always die a lot slower when im not attacking it than if the beastlord was
I assume this rather senseless statement to mean you "think" you must outdamage ALL beastlords you have ever grouped with by a HUGE margin, which can only mean one of two things either you believe that you put out more damage than any Monk on any server, or ALL the Beastlords you have ever grouped with have been under lvl 60 with very subpar gear/weapons and zero AAs..
either way its a baseless and moot statement.
Fact is under most circumstances if both Monk and Beast are equally equiped, and fighting a Mob where pets are permitted they are both about the same DPS wise, least not enough dif to write home about.
and yes this would be technically a better weapon for a Beastlord than a Monk.
The best choice for a Monk is 2Hb.
Best choice for a Beastlord is H2H.
Fool. pets are indifferent, they cant cuase aggro from merly just running around. and fyi as a Bst I can at will do more dps than you with Beastial frenzy, dot and nuke. That doesnt matter so much to me so much you have higher average attack. What other uses are rogue besides attack and corpse drag and pick lock? From what Ive seen people are realizing Rogue have less use than monks for If you were so smart you might look around, maybee check some websites and see that Bst class isnt the same class it was in Velious ( an unfinished class ). We have many uses now, with our 1.9 sec 65 % slow coupled with 1/10 dam reduc def disc, 1.8 sec 675 enrage nuke, AE paragon, Ferosity, SV. What buffs can you give? or better yet does your dps as a monk help so much when you ***** up a pull, leaving all the shamans dead? Or would you want a couple Bsts there to clean up your mess? I cant count how many times all the shamans died and me and other bst in my guild saved its #ss using our slow with disc able to migitate damage better. You want me on that wall!You need me on that wall!
If guilds were smart they would recruit 6 Bsts and use them as yard trash slowers so the shams can become healers and cripple, using them to slow named. Or recruit 6 Bst chaining ae paragon. Think of the possibilities? This isnt Velious anymore, we're here to stay.
If guilds were smart they would recruit 6 Bsts and use them as yard trash slowers so the shams can become healers and cripple, using them to slow named. Or recruit 6 Bst chaining ae paragon. Think of the possibilities? This isnt Velious anymore, we're here to stay.
not sure but i thought beasts came out with Luclin?
well the break down on that 224DPS is..
77.5DPS=Spells(SV,Plague,frost spear,Blizzard)
68.9=Pet (This does NOT include proc dam which averages approx 17-19DPS guesstamating, but could be anywhere from 10-25DPS depending on resist/partial resist etc...)
77.7=Melee (including many procs from weapons)
So technically i probably did more like 224+18DPS 242DPS...but cant really be sure, so i usually just omit the pet procs
This particular Mob i had no problems sticking all my spells including Slow (65%)and incapacitate
I also had aggro a fair amount so that brought down my Melee dam a bit due to the mobs Dodge/reposte/block etc.
IF the Mob would have been highly cold resistant the breakdown would have more like.
34DPS=Spells (SV, plague)
68.9=Pet (+ 150DD proc that norm lands 7+X per min)
90=Melee (higher Melee Dam due to not stoping to cast)
Total=Approx 192.9...+pet procs
I can raise that DPS also by giving my pet 2X Fist Of Xiblat (2X 10/20 150DD proc weapons)
Pet would average 90DPS although max buffed with those 3 procs and hitting pet with Savagery ive parsed (not really "parsed" but went through logs and counted up procs that landed) him up to 112DPS approx.
Not sure how you figure that H2H weapons are better for Monks.....even for a Beastlord which maxes 2HB skill at 225 which gives with most 2HB weapons approx 100-120 Less Attk...and doesnt have the chance to triple....Most parses done bring a good 2HB (SoFW, Zha's, Caen's, REBB) at or ABOVE the DPS of H2H weapons with a ratio higher than a WLK, and thats with a Beastlord weilding it, and a Beast is geared for Dual Weild, our only weapon skill above 225 is H2H, the majority of our DPS AAs are geared for Dual Weild, H2H
So technically there is no way that a Monk can do more damage with H2H weapons over 2HB...
A Monk with a 40% HAste item and spell hasted with high Dex will do quite a bit more Damage with a 2HB weapon, esp when you average in the triple attks and crits and much higher dam bonus....for a Monk 2Hb>H2H.....hell even for a Beast 2HB is better unless you have nice H2H weapons ie: better than WLK.
Id love to get my hands on a Caen's Bo Staff...be nice for Tanking..and Yes a Beastlord with CA3/LR5 and your AGI at 280+ can tank fairly well as long as your HPs are at least 5500+, thats when the 2HB weapon comes in handy with its nice damage and lower reposte.
There really isnt any problem with "Pets running around causing aggro" either....
/pet hold....pet wont attack anything till you tell him to.
I also dont just send in my pet either..i position myself on the mob, then i summon my pet to my side with summon companion, that way i have total control of push and place pet exactly where i want him...
Pets dont break Mez anymore either..
Grouping wise, the best group ive ever been in was 4 Beastlords, 1 Mage, 1 Druid.....
Talk about DPS, i think all of us were averaging around 180+DPS including the druid (DC pet).
The 4 Beast pets all equiped with Fist of Xiblat plus reg procs kept the Mobs in a virtual state of perma stun as we mowed em down, and you basically have 9Tanks, 5 healers, and 2 heavy damage casters with that group...
all 4 Beast had Paragon which is 640 mana for all in group every 4 mins plus the Mod Rod from Mage, then Blessing of the nine & SD is +17 Manaregen, and you have mana rolling out your ears.
You must have some funky Beastlords on your server.
Edited, Wed Jun 18 14:21:48 2003
77.5DPS=Spells(SV,Plague,frost spear,Blizzard)
68.9=Pet (This does NOT include proc dam which averages approx 17-19DPS guesstamating, but could be anywhere from 10-25DPS depending on resist/partial resist etc...)
77.7=Melee (including many procs from weapons)
So technically i probably did more like 224+18DPS 242DPS...but cant really be sure, so i usually just omit the pet procs
This particular Mob i had no problems sticking all my spells including Slow (65%)and incapacitate
I also had aggro a fair amount so that brought down my Melee dam a bit due to the mobs Dodge/reposte/block etc.
IF the Mob would have been highly cold resistant the breakdown would have more like.
34DPS=Spells (SV, plague)
68.9=Pet (+ 150DD proc that norm lands 7+X per min)
90=Melee (higher Melee Dam due to not stoping to cast)
Total=Approx 192.9...+pet procs
I can raise that DPS also by giving my pet 2X Fist Of Xiblat (2X 10/20 150DD proc weapons)
Pet would average 90DPS although max buffed with those 3 procs and hitting pet with Savagery ive parsed (not really "parsed" but went through logs and counted up procs that landed) him up to 112DPS approx.
Not sure how you figure that H2H weapons are better for Monks.....even for a Beastlord which maxes 2HB skill at 225 which gives with most 2HB weapons approx 100-120 Less Attk...and doesnt have the chance to triple....Most parses done bring a good 2HB (SoFW, Zha's, Caen's, REBB) at or ABOVE the DPS of H2H weapons with a ratio higher than a WLK, and thats with a Beastlord weilding it, and a Beast is geared for Dual Weild, our only weapon skill above 225 is H2H, the majority of our DPS AAs are geared for Dual Weild, H2H
So technically there is no way that a Monk can do more damage with H2H weapons over 2HB...
A Monk with a 40% HAste item and spell hasted with high Dex will do quite a bit more Damage with a 2HB weapon, esp when you average in the triple attks and crits and much higher dam bonus....for a Monk 2Hb>H2H.....hell even for a Beast 2HB is better unless you have nice H2H weapons ie: better than WLK.
Id love to get my hands on a Caen's Bo Staff...be nice for Tanking..and Yes a Beastlord with CA3/LR5 and your AGI at 280+ can tank fairly well as long as your HPs are at least 5500+, thats when the 2HB weapon comes in handy with its nice damage and lower reposte.
There really isnt any problem with "Pets running around causing aggro" either....
/pet hold....pet wont attack anything till you tell him to.
I also dont just send in my pet either..i position myself on the mob, then i summon my pet to my side with summon companion, that way i have total control of push and place pet exactly where i want him...
Pets dont break Mez anymore either..
Grouping wise, the best group ive ever been in was 4 Beastlords, 1 Mage, 1 Druid.....
Talk about DPS, i think all of us were averaging around 180+DPS including the druid (DC pet).
The 4 Beast pets all equiped with Fist of Xiblat plus reg procs kept the Mobs in a virtual state of perma stun as we mowed em down, and you basically have 9Tanks, 5 healers, and 2 heavy damage casters with that group...
all 4 Beast had Paragon which is 640 mana for all in group every 4 mins plus the Mod Rod from Mage, then Blessing of the nine & SD is +17 Manaregen, and you have mana rolling out your ears.
You must have some funky Beastlords on your server.
Edited, Wed Jun 18 14:21:48 2003
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your def grouping with the wrong beastlord, if it was me,or all the 65 bsts on xev, mobs die alot faster when we group with some one, and they tell us that :) group with a real beastlord, that has over 40 aa's and has all spells, it is alot of fun after that.
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/agree, i'm only 61 with only 7 AAs, and i get told that every day hehe.
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Posted: Jun 16 2003 at 10:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what the **** do u mean i dont know what im talking about? its painfully obvious that most uber guilds dont give a **** about ur dumb *** beastlord. if town rebels has beastlords im sure they are alts...: "2hand weapons are betetr b/c of enrage" what the **** does that mean? pc's dont enrage and when a mob enrages u dont want to hit it from the front with anything. im really happy that the best guild on ur server can gimp plane of power encounters but still..any guild that can do the encounters with less than 90 people dont care about the beastlords "uber DPS" lmao. again uber guild monks use 2 1handed weps(these fistwraps and something else) for a reason... dual wielding with double attack is better than triple attack with a 2 handed weapon, at least at the high end game. why dont u keep ur **** blocking statements to urself.good try though tatsamaruo, better luck next time in trying to sound like u know what ur talking about....btw.."keepers of the faith" another guild in the plane of time, =0 beastlords.
OMG you are a ****** a monk with triple attack on a 2HB weapon will hit for a **** load more then with 2 h2h weapons as damage bonus on 2HBweapons pwns H2H bonuses
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You, sir, are a moron, kalabra. Yer probably another one of those stuck up lv 65 noobs in BoT everyday that deny my Bst groupage because they think we suck. Bst=greater then monk, end of story. It's that simple, btw Bsts get double atk aa son. The only things monks have up on bsts is FD,mend,and certain discs, thats it. They are less dps, I wouldent say by far, but Bsts beat em out easily. Group with a class for awhile before you decide to flame that class you ignorant *******.
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you are just as bad a kalabra (who by the way is a complete moron.)
but to say BST > MNK end of story is retarded. im not even going to get into the whole stupid class specifics arguments. each class puts out exactly what they put into their class. if im a monk that spent hella time getting money for good gear (which i did) and your some BST that just rushed through levels, then my DPS is going to be better then yours. but to make a general statement saying one class is entirely better then the other is just immature, illogical, and stupid. shut up.
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=444683
but to say BST > MNK end of story is retarded. im not even going to get into the whole stupid class specifics arguments. each class puts out exactly what they put into their class. if im a monk that spent hella time getting money for good gear (which i did) and your some BST that just rushed through levels, then my DPS is going to be better then yours. but to make a general statement saying one class is entirely better then the other is just immature, illogical, and stupid. shut up.
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=444683
Kalabra, you're just one of the whiney @%# Monks who can care less anyone but yourself. You think by logging on here flaming Bst class you're gonna swade public opinion on who should get this? Hah, look at the majority of Bst here. Better yet, look at the majority of monks begging to be recruited by guilds, becuase there are such an abundance of you. Heck I bet you're one of those 2 day a week inactive drama queens that logs on loot day and screams in /gu about how its so unfair you're not getting yours.
As for guilds getting to PoTime with no Bst's, more power to them. If they can get there raiding with 90 using 18 clerics and 10 Wizz, hell anything possible I guess. Last I checked, TR has 3, FoH is looking to recruit 3 and Afterlife has one back after they lost 2, one of which was an officer. I guess the top 3 guilds in EQ has no use for Bst, ehh?
Do me a favor. As you're mezmorized by your melee screen, try to think of the value of all classes. Yes maybee even Bst. Try to think of how an extra 9 tics mana / health regen can be of use to a guild, or and extra 65 all resists with Ferosity on a War can help resist procs from a named, along with 45 sta, 165 atk, sta regen, or an 1700 health / 800 mana to an entire guild with Ae Paragon ( well im guessing at the mana not having a meter to count, but the health on Para is right with SCR3, for anyone who thinks Im off ).Or Better yet, when you FD train your guild with 10 mobs instead of 2, think of how valuable a 1.9 sec 65% slow after all the shamans are dead along with half the ench.
And you saying it seems like everytime you group with a Bst, the mobs die slower. Hah, you havent grouped with me. My 65 Bst with 356 aa, Fangs / Battle Fists, I get no complaints about my dps. Hell I get 10 tells a day from people I dont even know sometimes askin me to exp. And I sure as heck dont have trouble findin a guild. My guild has 4 bst, the top guild on our server in PoTimb has 3. They've had a Bst ever since Luclin first came out. Come to think of it Im dont know any guild on our server that dont have at least 1.
People see the value of Bst class, you refuse. Nuff said.
As for guilds getting to PoTime with no Bst's, more power to them. If they can get there raiding with 90 using 18 clerics and 10 Wizz, hell anything possible I guess. Last I checked, TR has 3, FoH is looking to recruit 3 and Afterlife has one back after they lost 2, one of which was an officer. I guess the top 3 guilds in EQ has no use for Bst, ehh?
Do me a favor. As you're mezmorized by your melee screen, try to think of the value of all classes. Yes maybee even Bst. Try to think of how an extra 9 tics mana / health regen can be of use to a guild, or and extra 65 all resists with Ferosity on a War can help resist procs from a named, along with 45 sta, 165 atk, sta regen, or an 1700 health / 800 mana to an entire guild with Ae Paragon ( well im guessing at the mana not having a meter to count, but the health on Para is right with SCR3, for anyone who thinks Im off ).Or Better yet, when you FD train your guild with 10 mobs instead of 2, think of how valuable a 1.9 sec 65% slow after all the shamans are dead along with half the ench.
And you saying it seems like everytime you group with a Bst, the mobs die slower. Hah, you havent grouped with me. My 65 Bst with 356 aa, Fangs / Battle Fists, I get no complaints about my dps. Hell I get 10 tells a day from people I dont even know sometimes askin me to exp. And I sure as heck dont have trouble findin a guild. My guild has 4 bst, the top guild on our server in PoTimb has 3. They've had a Bst ever since Luclin first came out. Come to think of it Im dont know any guild on our server that dont have at least 1.
People see the value of Bst class, you refuse. Nuff said.
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/Highfive Kor, Bst POWA
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Posted: Jun 29 2003 at 8:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I used to play on xev and tats does know what hes talkin about, you would think a 65 bst would.
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thanks Rokken hehe, ;)
Umm, TR does have beastlords. One of then is the most uber on the game. Beastlords are very useful on raids, they can save raids with AAs in the proper places and beastlords are great DPS when properly geared!
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if you have so much info, what level and how many AA does your main have, any one under 65 has no reason to be talking like u are, k
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im glad everyone has all this great information....however..1. uber guild monks all have this weapon and another 1hb or h2h weapon, 2. as far as beastlords in uber guilds...fires of heaven=o, afterlife=1 and its an alternate, town rebels=0; as far as the rest of the guilds that can kill xegony..im sure they gimped the rallos zek encounter with 150+ people and all the encounters after it.3. im pretty sure the only triple attack people get is with a 2handed weapon and again the uber guilds choose this and another 1handed weapon over that....so if bst were such great damage dealers..wouldnt every guild have them?....a bst isnt going to do over 200+dmg per second on a red mob and monks will..too bad only drooling noobs read this forum and flame me for being right.like i already said...go solo stuff in the dreadlands and stfu. thanks.
Kalabra...
All the larger guilds on my server have 2,3+ lvl65 Beastlords, and are begging for more...problem is there arent very many high lvl Beast on the whole server to go around ...we are in high demand...Not like your Dime a dozen Monks
You get your Beastlords all with extended Paragon (640mana & 1600HP regen in 48secs) and MGB, then during a fight the Beastlords hit thier MGB paragon to help heal everyone in the raid and give some needed mana to all....(thats approx 240,000 HPs HEALED, & 96,000Mana given with 3 Beastlords doing Paragon in 2 1/2 mins on a 50 person raid)any guild that doesnt take advantage of that is simply a bunch O fools.
I hit everyone with Spiritual Dominion for an extra +9Mana/HPregen, Most MTs that arent maxed out in stats from Gear actually prefer Infusion over the Shamans Focus and regularly click off FOS and ask me to buff them.
Not to mention i have up both Savagery & Ferocity to hit the MTs & Rogues or myself with...
and after that...I then procede to put out just as much damage as any Monk...
I havent parsed any "Uber" Mobs like Xeg or anything....but i just parsed some Diaku Raider in Tactics a few days ago...Was red to me at 65...I did exactly 224DPS on him, so that throws your other theroy out the window also....Oh and BTW the Uber 65 Monk that pulled the raider did 189DPS, and i slowed it, because the Shaman went down like a sack O rocks when his first attempt to slow was resisted.
I personally dont care whatsoever what some other "uber Guild" on my server or any other does or doesnt do...but if they dont take advantage of Beastlords then they are ignorant.
Damage wise, Beast are easily in the top 3...Monks be lucky to come up 4th...
Its not particularly the lvl of the Mob that can bring down a Beast DPS, its the Mobs cold resist, so on "some" highly cold resistant Mobs my DPS drops down to your average Monks, also a higher lvl "red" Mob usually would have higher AC which brings down a Monk DPS just as much as anyone elses.....Resist & AC etc on Mobs can run the gambit...Ive had just Basic Giants in BOT resist the hell out most everything i throw at em, then i did the dragon AD in POV which i think is lvl 70 and didnt get resisted once on anything, everything i threw at it stuck and all but one for full damage & my melee was hitting for full damage
But more importantly a Beast has alot more to offer a guild than "just" DPS
so once again you show your ignorance on the subject.
and obviously there is nothing wrong with this weapon in the hands of a Monk, Just thats its better suited for a Beastlord is all, as it is THE best Beastlord weapon in the game..
So IF a Beast is present when this drops the Beast should get first crack at it...
For the same reason that Rogue should get first crack at the best piercer and Monk should get first crack at the best 2Hb<--Which IS the best choice for Monks....and there are at least 19-20 2HB that i can think of that are better than this weapon for Monks...
also its not "enrage" thats the problem with H2H or 1Hb weapons its the "Reposte"....course its pretty rare for a Monk to have to worry much about Reposte since they rarely have aggro....
Edited, Tue Jun 17 08:54:55 2003
All the larger guilds on my server have 2,3+ lvl65 Beastlords, and are begging for more...problem is there arent very many high lvl Beast on the whole server to go around ...we are in high demand...Not like your Dime a dozen Monks
You get your Beastlords all with extended Paragon (640mana & 1600HP regen in 48secs) and MGB, then during a fight the Beastlords hit thier MGB paragon to help heal everyone in the raid and give some needed mana to all....(thats approx 240,000 HPs HEALED, & 96,000Mana given with 3 Beastlords doing Paragon in 2 1/2 mins on a 50 person raid)any guild that doesnt take advantage of that is simply a bunch O fools.
I hit everyone with Spiritual Dominion for an extra +9Mana/HPregen, Most MTs that arent maxed out in stats from Gear actually prefer Infusion over the Shamans Focus and regularly click off FOS and ask me to buff them.
Not to mention i have up both Savagery & Ferocity to hit the MTs & Rogues or myself with...
and after that...I then procede to put out just as much damage as any Monk...
I havent parsed any "Uber" Mobs like Xeg or anything....but i just parsed some Diaku Raider in Tactics a few days ago...Was red to me at 65...I did exactly 224DPS on him, so that throws your other theroy out the window also....Oh and BTW the Uber 65 Monk that pulled the raider did 189DPS, and i slowed it, because the Shaman went down like a sack O rocks when his first attempt to slow was resisted.
I personally dont care whatsoever what some other "uber Guild" on my server or any other does or doesnt do...but if they dont take advantage of Beastlords then they are ignorant.
Damage wise, Beast are easily in the top 3...Monks be lucky to come up 4th...
Its not particularly the lvl of the Mob that can bring down a Beast DPS, its the Mobs cold resist, so on "some" highly cold resistant Mobs my DPS drops down to your average Monks, also a higher lvl "red" Mob usually would have higher AC which brings down a Monk DPS just as much as anyone elses.....Resist & AC etc on Mobs can run the gambit...Ive had just Basic Giants in BOT resist the hell out most everything i throw at em, then i did the dragon AD in POV which i think is lvl 70 and didnt get resisted once on anything, everything i threw at it stuck and all but one for full damage & my melee was hitting for full damage
But more importantly a Beast has alot more to offer a guild than "just" DPS
so once again you show your ignorance on the subject.
and obviously there is nothing wrong with this weapon in the hands of a Monk, Just thats its better suited for a Beastlord is all, as it is THE best Beastlord weapon in the game..
So IF a Beast is present when this drops the Beast should get first crack at it...
For the same reason that Rogue should get first crack at the best piercer and Monk should get first crack at the best 2Hb<--Which IS the best choice for Monks....and there are at least 19-20 2HB that i can think of that are better than this weapon for Monks...
also its not "enrage" thats the problem with H2H or 1Hb weapons its the "Reposte"....course its pretty rare for a Monk to have to worry much about Reposte since they rarely have aggro....
Edited, Tue Jun 17 08:54:55 2003
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Kalabra u have never played a bst so you do not know what u are talking about, on Xev. yes i play on xev, Harmonium has 2 bsts as mains on there, and they can take Xeg, which they did, and Altera Vita is going to take them and they have 1 main bst in guild and 2 alts that r 65 and they are about to have another beastlord that is 65 main. so plz dont sit and tell me about how uber guilds have no bsts, because they do. and talking about Townrebels, have u looked at roster, there are 3 bsts that are 65, stfu plz. Monks should take 2hb over anything because of enrage/more dmg. dont sit and tell people stuff which u have no clue about :) and have u looked at the bst profiles in Township rebellion all them have this weapon, stfu plz :)
Edited, Mon Jun 16 17:01:37 2003
Edited, Mon Jun 16 17:01:37 2003
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Kalabra u have never played a bst so you do not know what u are talking about, on Xev. yes i play on xev, Harmonium has 2 bsts as mains on there, and they can take Xeg, which they did, and Altera Vita is going to take them and they have 1 main bst in guild and 2 alts that r 65 and they are about to have another beastlord that is 65 main. so plz dont sit and tell me about how uber guilds have no bsts, because they do. and talking about Townrebels, have u looked at roster, there are 3 bsts that are 65, stfu plz. Monks should take 2hb over anything because of enrage/more dmg. dont sit and
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While bst do get dbl attack aa; a bst with beast frenzy maxed is only going to double attack 1/10 as much as a melee class with 240+ double attack skill and ferocity3. Its not "train this at 61 and its even". As far as who should get this item...there are only 2 guilds on my server that can kill Xegony, and i dont thibnk either of them have a beastlord on the roster. They sure have alot of monks though. /shrug
hmm well Kalabra your a bit ignorant on the facts.
A beast gets DA, although its not quite as high a skill lvl as the Monks....Ive had DA (BF5) for months now, combine that with Ambidexterity and i DA quite frequently.
and if im not mistaken Monks actually have TRIPLE atk ....
That is all pretty much Moot anyway....
Fact is, H2H weapons are BEST for the Beastlord period...It is our ONLY weapon skill that goes to 250.
2HB is better for the Monk, Period....
Reason being is a Monk has better skills in 2HB than does a Beast, and the more you DA or triple atk the more you want to be using a 2HB weapon with its high Dam bonus.
A Beast and a Rogue are the only 2 classes whom have only ONE high weapon skill...H2H for the Beast, obviously piercing for the Rogue.
at this point in time when fully buffed im at around 305+ Str/Sta/Agi/Dex
Have CA3/LR5/ND2/CS2/PE/BF5/Ambi/SCR3/Paragon/FOS
plus a few others....
With Ferocity on and i hit FOS (which is 334Atk btw not 200, and 99% Haste for just over a Min every 11min)Im getting just under 2100ATK.
I hit my Pet with full buffs plus Savagery, give him a couple Fist of Xiblat (150DD proc X2) plus his regular proc 155DD + 2.75sec stun, he is procing constantly and quads for full damage (77)continously then bashes for 30....
My battle spam rivals any Monk.
Are there Monks that put out more DPS than me?
I certainly hope so....Cuz i have just basic weapons (Waning light Katar, Kasheks Katar) and just So-So gear...
I also dont have several of my DPS AAs yet either.
But id say without a doubt your "average Beastlord" easily outdamages your "Average Monk" anyday....Maybe fully decked out with 200AAs each
Monk & Beast might be about tied...
So in the end Beast and Monk are about equal more or less...certainly not enough dif to squabble about Beast does some things better than a Monk and Visa Versa.....
But a Beastlords MAIN weapon choice should be H2H, and a Monks MAIN weapon choice should be 2HB.
So IF a Beastlord is present when something like this drops he really should get first crack at it.
afterall this is THE best weapon in the game currently for a Beastlord.
There are several weapons just as good as this if not better for a Monk.
A beast gets DA, although its not quite as high a skill lvl as the Monks....Ive had DA (BF5) for months now, combine that with Ambidexterity and i DA quite frequently.
and if im not mistaken Monks actually have TRIPLE atk ....
That is all pretty much Moot anyway....
Fact is, H2H weapons are BEST for the Beastlord period...It is our ONLY weapon skill that goes to 250.
2HB is better for the Monk, Period....
Reason being is a Monk has better skills in 2HB than does a Beast, and the more you DA or triple atk the more you want to be using a 2HB weapon with its high Dam bonus.
A Beast and a Rogue are the only 2 classes whom have only ONE high weapon skill...H2H for the Beast, obviously piercing for the Rogue.
at this point in time when fully buffed im at around 305+ Str/Sta/Agi/Dex
Have CA3/LR5/ND2/CS2/PE/BF5/Ambi/SCR3/Paragon/FOS
plus a few others....
With Ferocity on and i hit FOS (which is 334Atk btw not 200, and 99% Haste for just over a Min every 11min)Im getting just under 2100ATK.
I hit my Pet with full buffs plus Savagery, give him a couple Fist of Xiblat (150DD proc X2) plus his regular proc 155DD + 2.75sec stun, he is procing constantly and quads for full damage (77)continously then bashes for 30....
My battle spam rivals any Monk.
Are there Monks that put out more DPS than me?
I certainly hope so....Cuz i have just basic weapons (Waning light Katar, Kasheks Katar) and just So-So gear...
I also dont have several of my DPS AAs yet either.
But id say without a doubt your "average Beastlord" easily outdamages your "Average Monk" anyday....Maybe fully decked out with 200AAs each
Monk & Beast might be about tied...
So in the end Beast and Monk are about equal more or less...certainly not enough dif to squabble about Beast does some things better than a Monk and Visa Versa.....
But a Beastlords MAIN weapon choice should be H2H, and a Monks MAIN weapon choice should be 2HB.
So IF a Beastlord is present when something like this drops he really should get first crack at it.
afterall this is THE best weapon in the game currently for a Beastlord.
There are several weapons just as good as this if not better for a Monk.
More or less, that is correct.
I play a monk.
After a monk gets triple attack, monks usually go straight for the 2hb and never look back.
Monks climb a steady ladder of dmg AA skills, so I don't really know how much dmg a monk will a slew of AA can do. (I'm only level 56 right now).
But, monks also can pull like madmen. After getting Rapid Feign3, they have a fair chance at pulling raid level mobs (66+) and actually survive a couple of fails. (using void-dance as the wild card survival trick).
What's the verdict? Maybe sometime I"ll try a bst. But right now, I love being a monk.
Who does more DPS? a wizard with a lot of AA.
OMG can a level 65 wizard (and mages too) nuke for insane dmg.
I play a monk.
After a monk gets triple attack, monks usually go straight for the 2hb and never look back.
Monks climb a steady ladder of dmg AA skills, so I don't really know how much dmg a monk will a slew of AA can do. (I'm only level 56 right now).
But, monks also can pull like madmen. After getting Rapid Feign3, they have a fair chance at pulling raid level mobs (66+) and actually survive a couple of fails. (using void-dance as the wild card survival trick).
What's the verdict? Maybe sometime I"ll try a bst. But right now, I love being a monk.
Who does more DPS? a wizard with a lot of AA.
OMG can a level 65 wizard (and mages too) nuke for insane dmg.
Here is the deal, Beastlords rock, Monks rock.
Monks are on a higher damage table = they do more damage with the same weapons than anyone else, triple attack etc. Beasts are on the normal damage table = they have pets that crank out alot of dps and beast melee dps is not bad. Monks can pull better than any class in most situations, beast can slow and have other useful spells. Beast dps with pet vs. Monk dps is about the same when similarly geared and AAed. They are both useful classes, if you have 2 dps spots open and a bst and mnk are LFG, get em both because you will have massive dps.
Monks are on a higher damage table = they do more damage with the same weapons than anyone else, triple attack etc. Beasts are on the normal damage table = they have pets that crank out alot of dps and beast melee dps is not bad. Monks can pull better than any class in most situations, beast can slow and have other useful spells. Beast dps with pet vs. Monk dps is about the same when similarly geared and AAed. They are both useful classes, if you have 2 dps spots open and a bst and mnk are LFG, get em both because you will have massive dps.
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Yep Beastlords do get both dual weild and double attack. Planes of Power alternative experience ability. You can raise your double attack ability point 1 per lvl starting at 61 on thru 65. Kalabra=idiot.
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Royster Yaoyster
Iksar Savage Lord of Brell Serilis
Proud Member of Sojourners
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kalabra before joo go saying beasts dont get double attack please look and make sure when pop came out they gave it to us my 65 beastlord have it so that weap can be a good beastlord weapon I bet we would do better then you...
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Yay Kus! i <3 u, hit me up some time we need to group more! :p
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Posted: May 26 2003 at 6:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ummm moron, im looking and im seeing nothing about a beastlord getting double attack. maybe u should get ur facts straight b4 calling people stupid....and just in case u dont realize..dual wield and double attack are NOT the same thing. go back to training people with ur newb druid in wolf form, b/c u my friend have obviously never played a melee class.thanks
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dumb *** bst get double atk as an aa ability quote from kalabra "get your facts straight before calling someone stupid" cause thats exactly what you didnt do idiot dont flame ppl because you didnt actually check it out
Edited, Sat May 31 00:11:33 2003
Edited, Sat May 31 00:11:33 2003
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uhh you said monks get double atk like bsts dont, they do, and i know because i play a 65 bst on xev kthx if you dont believe it go look up Tatsamaru on there some time, that is me. and i know we get double atk and duel weild, so you get the facts straight befor you say OHH monks get double atk so they should get it, because beastlords get double atk to..look at Beastial Frenzy it is Double Attack for a beastlord, thanks. oh and btw, if it was a noob druid, how could i be in wolf form?
Edited, Mon May 26 21:40:52 2003
Edited, Mon May 26 21:40:52 2003
lol i used to no tatsumaru :) lol then i stoped playing for 5 months...
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omg Zat i remember u!! get back up on xev!!
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U sir are stupid, you must never have played the game since Planes of Power has been released. Beastlords do get double atk which makes us the better dmg dealers then monks except for with 2hb, unless the beastlord has Frenzy of Spirit and max DA ( Beastial frenzy ) if he has frenzy of spirit that is 99% haste and 200+ atk buff that lasts around a min and a half. plz get the facts straight befor you claim monks > bst kk :) if you have a problem with it ask any 65 bst with Elder title
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Posted: May 25 2003 at 6:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i guess everyone that thinks a bst will outdamage a monk has never heard of this new cool ability monks get called double attack. this givwes the monk the chance to attack TWICE each attack round. i know that it feels cool to have ur pet solo stuff in the dreadlands while u heal it, but u will never outdamage a monk attacking from behind.
Kalabra, you are obviously not in a so called "uber guild" and dont really know how nessicary the buffs and paragon are to a raid. With a 9 mana/hp regen spell (spiritual domination)that stacks with all other mana regen buffs and their AA ability to EE heal the raid(paragon) I dont know why any sensable guild could possibly pass up beastlords. Also with slow, dots, nukes and their excelent dps, they are a highly NEEDED class in all end game guilds.
Also the double attack that you swear beastlords dont get is called Beastial Frenzy. And beastlords get the AA called suspend minion for moving from place to place + pets do not aggro mobs fyi.
Also the double attack that you swear beastlords dont get is called Beastial Frenzy. And beastlords get the AA called suspend minion for moving from place to place + pets do not aggro mobs fyi.
number 1.. i think Monks get Triple Atk...
Number 2...Beastlords get DA, plus Ambidexterity so we hit DA almost equally with both weapons.
Number 3...with DA, Ambi, Frenzy of Spirit, Double reposte, Flash of Steel...and using H2H weapons a Beastlord Litterly ENRAGES on a Mob for a full 1+ Mins every 11mins....then add in my Pet which QUADS for 77dam bashes for 30, procs for 155DD with a 2.75sec stun, and /sheilds me to take 50% dam...
and actually i outdamage every Monk ive personally ever grouped with even if im TANKING in front of mob and Monk is beating on his back LOL....
Wake up MonkE BoyE and smell the Beast.
Number 2...Beastlords get DA, plus Ambidexterity so we hit DA almost equally with both weapons.
Number 3...with DA, Ambi, Frenzy of Spirit, Double reposte, Flash of Steel...and using H2H weapons a Beastlord Litterly ENRAGES on a Mob for a full 1+ Mins every 11mins....then add in my Pet which QUADS for 77dam bashes for 30, procs for 155DD with a 2.75sec stun, and /sheilds me to take 50% dam...
and actually i outdamage every Monk ive personally ever grouped with even if im TANKING in front of mob and Monk is beating on his back LOL....
Wake up MonkE BoyE and smell the Beast.
You are making a good case for why monks need a melee upgrade. I agree with you, a BST with approx 100 AA in the right places (equally equipped) will outdamage a lot of monks with 200 AA ...BST's are great DPS.
Exactly, why are hybrids starting to out damage or do things better than the parent classes? It doesnt make sense, pretty soon nobody will play a shaman or monk because beastlords are too uber. Practically the only things shaman have on beasts is canni, heals, and dots(and more hp if you know how to play a shaman well) and Monks get FD and mend... its too bad, i dont know how many times ive wished for a monk in my group because the warrior was AE taunting to pull...Ive grouped with about 15 monks since i started eq and probably close to 100 beastlords.
too bad double ripost works only if you get hit
and if you get hit during a raid on Xegony's level as a beastlord, you're dead meat
thanks for your participation
and if you get hit during a raid on Xegony's level as a beastlord, you're dead meat
thanks for your participation
Im quite certain Cat wasnt talking about tanking Xeg, just tanking in general.
Myself even with 229 AAs currently i havent bothered to get double reposte yet.
From what i can tell its virtually useless really, i think on a best case senario "could" theoretically add maybe 2% to your overall DPS, so hardly what i would call worth what? like 20+ AAs to max it. Bah.
and ANYBODY that doesnt at the time have /Disc up & gets hit during a Xeg lvl raid is dead meat usually, that includes Warriors with over 9Khps.
Currently i have just over 7Khps fully raid buffed
I think our best MT in my guild has right around 9500Hps give or take a 100.
Without his /Disc up he will drop dead approx 0.5 secs after i do.
2500Hps dont mean squat.
Thanks for your participation.
Edited, Fri Oct 31 12:03:00 2003
Myself even with 229 AAs currently i havent bothered to get double reposte yet.
From what i can tell its virtually useless really, i think on a best case senario "could" theoretically add maybe 2% to your overall DPS, so hardly what i would call worth what? like 20+ AAs to max it. Bah.
and ANYBODY that doesnt at the time have /Disc up & gets hit during a Xeg lvl raid is dead meat usually, that includes Warriors with over 9Khps.
Currently i have just over 7Khps fully raid buffed
I think our best MT in my guild has right around 9500Hps give or take a 100.
Without his /Disc up he will drop dead approx 0.5 secs after i do.
2500Hps dont mean squat.
Thanks for your participation.
Edited, Fri Oct 31 12:03:00 2003
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OMG!!!!! </drool>
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BST > MNKS anyday
Whats it look like when held? just bare hands?
Edited, Mon Feb 17 03:29:52 2003
Edited, Mon Feb 17 03:29:52 2003
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Blue Sparkles. Same as Battle Fists but blue.
Oooh, A new toy for my Beastlord, now if I can only get the 11 levels to use it. :P
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Posted: Feb 05 2003 at 2:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok I seriousley doubt if you had the flags to get to xegony that any guild would let "your beastlord" have this, this is not alt loot to be given to boxed beastlord alts.
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Posted: Feb 05 2003 at 5:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) HA, look at the freekin wep here it has 15 wis and 135 mana. This is very nice wep. for a monk and god willing I'm sure he will use it but look at it closely when it says Beastlord/monk usable. To deprive a class from a wep like this is just stupid. monk's just live with the fact Beastlords are here and now there is competion for these UBER drops. Im personally never sit on my A$$ when raiding to med mana. I'm working my tail off with AA to max my melee abilities and when I'm through I'll have a higher DPS than you.
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Posted: Apr 14 2003 at 9:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) shut up, youre a moron
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Posted: Mar 13 2003 at 12:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your name fits well. But you should just leave off the Mod.
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Posted: Mar 08 2003 at 7:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Melee DPS without your pet? Not in a million years. Don't give me that crap about how because it has WIS beastlords should get it. 20/19. 20/19. THE RATIO IS 20/19!!!! If anything this is more monk than bst.
well number 1...a Beast is never without his pet...Its litterly 1/2 of your Char....
be like saying to a Monk....
"Melee DPS without your Kicks?" get a grip MonkeyboyE.....
your "average" Beastlord easily outdamages your average Monk anyday....Personally at just lvl 62 and not Uber in any way whatsoever...I have yet to meet one single Monk to date that i dont outdamage.....
Number 2...Not ONLY because of the +15 Wis, AND +135 Mana (which = 13+Wis btw) so this gives +250 Mana...which is utterly useless to the Monk, but as much if not moreso because this is THE best Beastlord weapon in game and the ONLY weapon skill a Beast maxes out is H2H....As you well know a Monk has several weapon skills he can Max out, and actually a good 2hb is a FAR better weapon choice for the Monk and there are several in game that equal or BETTER this weapon in damage
So YES, without any doubt at all, to anyone that has a lick of sense and really knows either chars strengths and weaknesses, this weapon should go to the Beastlord IF one is present when it drops.....
and regardless wether a Monk could outdamage a Beast (without his pet) with this weapon, that arguement is pointless and moot...
Fact is this weapon will RAISE ANY & ALL Beastlords DPS over whatever other weapon they currently have....that be Fact...end of discussion
and you want ALL your Meless DPS as high as possible
another fact...put this weapon in a Beastlords primary, put the EPU in his Secondary....and WITH his Pet...He will outadamge ANY Monk...Plus can stand up to a Mob longer..
PLUS can slow a Mob nicely, and debuff, and DOT, and DD....and Buff entire group about as good as any other class...which is where that extra 500 mana comes in handy between those 2 weapons...
you Monks just need to get over yourselves and step down off that pedistal you have placed yourselves on.....
be like saying to a Monk....
"Melee DPS without your Kicks?" get a grip MonkeyboyE.....
your "average" Beastlord easily outdamages your average Monk anyday....Personally at just lvl 62 and not Uber in any way whatsoever...I have yet to meet one single Monk to date that i dont outdamage.....
Number 2...Not ONLY because of the +15 Wis, AND +135 Mana (which = 13+Wis btw) so this gives +250 Mana...which is utterly useless to the Monk, but as much if not moreso because this is THE best Beastlord weapon in game and the ONLY weapon skill a Beast maxes out is H2H....As you well know a Monk has several weapon skills he can Max out, and actually a good 2hb is a FAR better weapon choice for the Monk and there are several in game that equal or BETTER this weapon in damage
So YES, without any doubt at all, to anyone that has a lick of sense and really knows either chars strengths and weaknesses, this weapon should go to the Beastlord IF one is present when it drops.....
and regardless wether a Monk could outdamage a Beast (without his pet) with this weapon, that arguement is pointless and moot...
Fact is this weapon will RAISE ANY & ALL Beastlords DPS over whatever other weapon they currently have....that be Fact...end of discussion
and you want ALL your Meless DPS as high as possible
another fact...put this weapon in a Beastlords primary, put the EPU in his Secondary....and WITH his Pet...He will outadamge ANY Monk...Plus can stand up to a Mob longer..
PLUS can slow a Mob nicely, and debuff, and DOT, and DD....and Buff entire group about as good as any other class...which is where that extra 500 mana comes in handy between those 2 weapons...
you Monks just need to get over yourselves and step down off that pedistal you have placed yourselves on.....
SoE ruined a good class by making the beastlords so good, poor monks they used to be so awesome
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Shoul go to either both classes will benefit from it quite well
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There are quite a few sub-1 ration 1h weapons for paladins and shadowknights. Not just int casters.
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Yes there a lot of weapons for SKs and Pallys that are better than 1:1, but thats because they can only use one weapon. BSTs and Monks can use 2 of them, so if can imagine wielding 2 weapons of this caliber, it is quite a nice thing to see :)
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Yeah, a lot of the newer high-end 1-handed Knight weapons have a damage-to-delay ratio over 1/1 (or a Delay-to-damage ratio less than 1/1, however you want to look at it)
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