Planes of Powerwon this last nite after a pickup raid on tunare with mostly divine crusade members helping us out downed rztw. I was fortunate enogh to win this lil beauty and i must say i love it. As a warrior the stats are just what i need and the vengence IV and plus 2 regen aint shabby either. The ac could be a tad bit higher but for what i had to do to get this i aint really complaining all that much. In all great item for any who can use it.
Hildegarn Dragonsbane 63rd warlord of tunare server
member of the honorable blades alliance
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well beaT THIS---SOLOED WITH A LEVEL 10 WARRIOR.OUT DO THAT
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I love these posts. I love seeing who can out do who and what class, yadda, yadda, yadda. this is my opinion, but I am sure I will get flammed. I believe that Rogs are first than Monks. Ran/Bst, than Warriors, than Bards and lastly Knights and SKs together. I have parsed my Rng verse Rog verses Warr. I have seen where I stand, and certain facters can change the outcome of your DPS. You need to look at the whole Picture as far as skill caps, AA, and attk buffs, dont forget about weapon procs. Now I know if I change role from Melee to Ranged my dps changes so that I will stand about where rogue/monks are. If you really want to find out, go ask a fellow guildy to duel you, parse the fight. Draw your own conclusions.
Lalithan 69 Ranger <Stratageme>
Sirien 66 Bard <Stratageme>
Lalithan 69 Ranger <Stratageme>
Sirien 66 Bard <Stratageme>
Wizards are the master of DPS, hands down. How they differ from Rogues however, is that Wizards do burst dmg. Rogues do sustained dmg. A Wizard will spend a large chunk of combat rounds waiting to do 10% dmg to a mob in one attack. Where as a rogue will consistantly deal a high dmg output. Rangers do more dmg then monks, but really only with their bow and it's not sustained dmg unless they trueshot disc really. Monks do pretty consistant dmg just not nearly as much as Rogues. Bards believe it or not out dps Warriors(I didn't believe it eithe at first). Equate same lvl/aa/tier-of-gear and bards will do more dmg per tick, but it's all about the bard haste. If you'd like to know more there's tons of forums devoted to this stupid discussion.
Malorian Harmonybinder 67 Composer, Qeynos Chapter. < Wraiths of Destruction> Tunare
Malorian Harmonybinder 67 Composer, Qeynos Chapter. < Wraiths of Destruction> Tunare
Lol - Cabasak.
This is a very nice mask, I have been waiting for weeks for it to drop and I went LD last night and missed the chance to bid on it.
The effect on it is not so overwelming pure melee to make is pure melee reserved. Any of the classes that can use it should be able to bid for it IMO. The Blade of War the other awesome drop from RZ is a different story. It should be Warrior reserve and go to the guilds Main Tanks first.
In all guilds reserve items are always contriversial but you need to pick your battles and this is not an item that qualifies.
This is a very nice mask, I have been waiting for weeks for it to drop and I went LD last night and missed the chance to bid on it.
The effect on it is not so overwelming pure melee to make is pure melee reserved. Any of the classes that can use it should be able to bid for it IMO. The Blade of War the other awesome drop from RZ is a different story. It should be Warrior reserve and go to the guilds Main Tanks first.
In all guilds reserve items are always contriversial but you need to pick your battles and this is not an item that qualifies.
2 posts
beastlords have about the same level of DPS as monks and rangers. and warriors are indeed above pally and SK, the exception being when there are undead mobs, in which case the pally is up there with monks, BST, and rangers. and i dont even think rangers should be placed with monks and BST. ide say rangers are probably more on rogue level DPS
36 posts
OMFG...To say a Warrior can even out dmg a bard is giving them enough credit (NOW dont get me wrong, you have a Full timed out warrior...He is a DPS machine in lower tier planes) But yall must be Getting the Tank/Dps scale all messed up...Cause a Warrior is One thing and one thing ONLY, AGRO...yeah they can be Dps, hell a cleric can be Dps but there is more than likely 1-3 people who are keeping constant Dps Melee wise;
I would have to say its a toss up with Rangers/Rogues and Bst(and really BsT can hang with the best of the Dps) Monks next SK/Pally (order way change on mobs) Bards........And Finaly Warriors imo.
And i love having BsT in my group, they can take the place of a Slower, and do it well....But i would say they are melee/priest (IMO a priest like mage...give or take) So its kind of hard to place them in (1) Of the melee/priest/caster.....Just my 2 cents ( i might be wrong but thats how i feel)
I would have to say its a toss up with Rangers/Rogues and Bst(and really BsT can hang with the best of the Dps) Monks next SK/Pally (order way change on mobs) Bards........And Finaly Warriors imo.
And i love having BsT in my group, they can take the place of a Slower, and do it well....But i would say they are melee/priest (IMO a priest like mage...give or take) So its kind of hard to place them in (1) Of the melee/priest/caster.....Just my 2 cents ( i might be wrong but thats how i feel)
6 posts
I think putting bards second end of your list is rather insulting. Being a bard myself i know our damage output is not that great, but think of the hastes we do, if your talking pure melee damage only then yes you are correct. On the other hand a (self only) hasted bard could out-damage a rog and a ranger of the same equipment level.
Ehem... Do you know what the f-ck your talking about? Alright cuz I do I got a Bard, Pally, and BL...
First off... BL's are about equal with Bards in DPS... they only have Dual Wield (like bards) which has been unilaterally agreed as worse than Double attack... so WTF are you talking about. Their ATK is actually worse alone, since Bards get some ATK songs... The only saving grace for BL's is Pets which frankly **** me off because of Pet-push and loss of control. So NO BLs arn't anywhere near the DPS of Monks/Rogues (even with Pets)...
Next on the list from the bottom are Paladins and SKs. They only get Double Attack (can be trippled with AAs but still doesn't make much a difference.) Their ATK is litterally cut in 2/3s from WARRIORS... which are cut down from Rogues/Rangers/Monks from about 2/3s... There is no way you can think Pallies (even with SU3 -- Yes its FUN but it hardly helps DPS in reality unless HolyForged -- Don't try bashing me either 305/305/305/305 when buffed so no its not my stats) can come anywhere near the attack power of Warriors. SKs get some steals but frankly they are basically equal to Paladins. (HT again is handy but does not actually affect DPS when your talkin anything high end.)
Lastly lets get down to this Warrior thing. Warriors (in melee with equal weapons) can nearly dish out equal damage to Rangers, its VERY close... depending on the level of the mob. ATK comes into play, since the Ranger has about the same as the Warrior but has nice buffs. The way that Rangers dish out damage is an endless barrage of Arrows, and yes any decent Ranger outdamages via arrows over melee.
Rogues (ask any 65 Rogue) do about the same damage as Warriors. The upside is they always are on the *** of MOBS, and have a higher hit% because of this. With equal weapons to warriors they will hit basically the same, except have a bit more naturally ATK points to help them hit more often and a tiny bit harder. The real reason Rogues do damage is from insane crits (crits doing 10x damage instead of Warriors crits which do nothing) as well as backstabs.
The one class you forgot that actually does alot of damage per hit is Monks. They are the only ones here that if you give them the same weapons they are going to dish out more DPS without using any Techs.
So basically what we got here is a new list for ya. Rogues, Rangers, Monks, BLs (w/ Pet), Warriors, Paladins (Undead), ShadowKnights, Paladins(Not Undead), Bards, BLs (w/o Pet.)
Don't make posts that don't make any sense!
First off... BL's are about equal with Bards in DPS... they only have Dual Wield (like bards) which has been unilaterally agreed as worse than Double attack... so WTF are you talking about. Their ATK is actually worse alone, since Bards get some ATK songs... The only saving grace for BL's is Pets which frankly **** me off because of Pet-push and loss of control. So NO BLs arn't anywhere near the DPS of Monks/Rogues (even with Pets)...
Next on the list from the bottom are Paladins and SKs. They only get Double Attack (can be trippled with AAs but still doesn't make much a difference.) Their ATK is litterally cut in 2/3s from WARRIORS... which are cut down from Rogues/Rangers/Monks from about 2/3s... There is no way you can think Pallies (even with SU3 -- Yes its FUN but it hardly helps DPS in reality unless HolyForged -- Don't try bashing me either 305/305/305/305 when buffed so no its not my stats) can come anywhere near the attack power of Warriors. SKs get some steals but frankly they are basically equal to Paladins. (HT again is handy but does not actually affect DPS when your talkin anything high end.)
Lastly lets get down to this Warrior thing. Warriors (in melee with equal weapons) can nearly dish out equal damage to Rangers, its VERY close... depending on the level of the mob. ATK comes into play, since the Ranger has about the same as the Warrior but has nice buffs. The way that Rangers dish out damage is an endless barrage of Arrows, and yes any decent Ranger outdamages via arrows over melee.
Rogues (ask any 65 Rogue) do about the same damage as Warriors. The upside is they always are on the *** of MOBS, and have a higher hit% because of this. With equal weapons to warriors they will hit basically the same, except have a bit more naturally ATK points to help them hit more often and a tiny bit harder. The real reason Rogues do damage is from insane crits (crits doing 10x damage instead of Warriors crits which do nothing) as well as backstabs.
The one class you forgot that actually does alot of damage per hit is Monks. They are the only ones here that if you give them the same weapons they are going to dish out more DPS without using any Techs.
So basically what we got here is a new list for ya. Rogues, Rangers, Monks, BLs (w/ Pet), Warriors, Paladins (Undead), ShadowKnights, Paladins(Not Undead), Bards, BLs (w/o Pet.)
Don't make posts that don't make any sense!
Have to say this last post is bogus.
"The way that Rangers dish out damage is an endless barrage of Arrows, and yes any decent Ranger outdamages via arrows over melee."
If you knew about rangers, you'd know that with the right AAs and equipment ranger melee can usually dramatically outdamage their bows. The GoD AAs are essentially pure melee for rangers. Weapon Affinity 5? Get some nice ratio, nice dmg proc weapons, put damage proc in them, you've got much better damage.
Rogues on the same level as WARRIORS? WHAT? I've admittedly never played either class to any length, but I know rogues are designed to deal damage. Warriors are designed to receive it. I know warriors that can DPS and rogues that can tank, but none of them can do their opposite job better than their opposite class...
"The way that Rangers dish out damage is an endless barrage of Arrows, and yes any decent Ranger outdamages via arrows over melee."
If you knew about rangers, you'd know that with the right AAs and equipment ranger melee can usually dramatically outdamage their bows. The GoD AAs are essentially pure melee for rangers. Weapon Affinity 5? Get some nice ratio, nice dmg proc weapons, put damage proc in them, you've got much better damage.
Rogues on the same level as WARRIORS? WHAT? I've admittedly never played either class to any length, but I know rogues are designed to deal damage. Warriors are designed to receive it. I know warriors that can DPS and rogues that can tank, but none of them can do their opposite job better than their opposite class...
43 posts
I believe that he's meaning "from the front, rogue and warrior dps are about equal" and i'm inclined to agree, when both are going for DPS. The reason: rogues are DESIGNED to be behind the mob for backstab purposes. If they're not behind the mob, then their backstab is just taken as an extra swing, which is no huge jump in DPS.
Also, rangers melee against warrior melee is almost exactly the same dps when the same weapons and buffs are involved.
If we're talking pure melee DPS, my list is rogue, ranger (bowing), BL (with pet), monk, ranger(meleeing)-bard-warrior, SK-Pally, BL without pet
Zypheron, 65 warrior, Prexus
Also, rangers melee against warrior melee is almost exactly the same dps when the same weapons and buffs are involved.
If we're talking pure melee DPS, my list is rogue, ranger (bowing), BL (with pet), monk, ranger(meleeing)-bard-warrior, SK-Pally, BL without pet
Zypheron, 65 warrior, Prexus
6 posts
Rangers would be above rogues, an EQ/AM3 ranger will outdamage any rogue i've ever seen,...
Do some parses and youll find yourself incorrect, in high end guilds, guild and raid leaders know that rogues are the #1 DPS in the game period.
Wizzies can out damage them until they are oom, but rogues dont ever run out of backstab juice. When a rogue maxes offensive AAs, nothing does more damage in EQ.
Trueshot is nice, but what is reuse time? an hour, right? Cant rogues drop triple backstabs for 2500+ added to the already decent dps of normal swings?
Wizzies can out damage them until they are oom, but rogues dont ever run out of backstab juice. When a rogue maxes offensive AAs, nothing does more damage in EQ.
Trueshot is nice, but what is reuse time? an hour, right? Cant rogues drop triple backstabs for 2500+ added to the already decent dps of normal swings?
what in the hell does any of this have to do with this mask?
ALL classes listed could use such a mask equally assuming they dont already have better.
Its likely the Plate & Chain classes could already have better since they have much more to choose from.
in that respect the monks & Beast might have more of a chance to get it since wearing leather they dont get too many items much better than this.
I currently have a Mask of the Dragon slayer, this mask would be a nice upgrade for me, as a lvl 65 Beast i could sure make use of every single stat on this mask.
as far as straight Melee "only" damage, what in the hell does that even mean?
Ooooo yeah like im not going to use my Pet 95% of the time or cast any spells whatsoever...DOH!
A beastlords Pet is quite litterly about 1/2 of their char.
Be bout same as saying a Monk cant use his kicks, rangers cant use Bows...
Id also say its pretty rare to find a Bard that can manage to out melee a Beastlord with melee only also...
A "realistic" order of DPS on high end Melee is probably more like Rogue>Ranger>Beast>SK>Monk/Pally>War>Bard.
and thats in general and on average, obviously certain classes will accell on certain mobs/situations...
such as Rangers completely own Tallon Zek etc.
ALL classes listed could use such a mask equally assuming they dont already have better.
Its likely the Plate & Chain classes could already have better since they have much more to choose from.
in that respect the monks & Beast might have more of a chance to get it since wearing leather they dont get too many items much better than this.
I currently have a Mask of the Dragon slayer, this mask would be a nice upgrade for me, as a lvl 65 Beast i could sure make use of every single stat on this mask.
as far as straight Melee "only" damage, what in the hell does that even mean?
Ooooo yeah like im not going to use my Pet 95% of the time or cast any spells whatsoever...DOH!
A beastlords Pet is quite litterly about 1/2 of their char.
Be bout same as saying a Monk cant use his kicks, rangers cant use Bows...
Id also say its pretty rare to find a Bard that can manage to out melee a Beastlord with melee only also...
A "realistic" order of DPS on high end Melee is probably more like Rogue>Ranger>Beast>SK>Monk/Pally>War>Bard.
and thats in general and on average, obviously certain classes will accell on certain mobs/situations...
such as Rangers completely own Tallon Zek etc.
that is incorrect. Bst have a lower melee dps then monks for sure. (which is what that person was saying) overall dps (pets, spells, melee etc) Bst would be higher then monk and ranger (but not by much) (ranger using melee weapons, not sure about bow damage would be close I'd guess) I'm talking high end now of course.
Scholar
43 posts
just to clarify, the melee damage output list goes something more like:
rogue
ranger/monk
war
pally/sk
bard
bst (pets dont gain from +atk on the owner remember)
...and this lists aura of daring as 2hp regen and +20atk so that qualifies everyone, maybe the rogue never gets hit to need the regen but they use the +atk and maybe that bard wont do much with +20 atk but he plays backup chanter and they get hit enough, and I could go on but the point is everyone can use the effect and the stats.
rogue
ranger/monk
war
pally/sk
bard
bst (pets dont gain from +atk on the owner remember)
...and this lists aura of daring as 2hp regen and +20atk so that qualifies everyone, maybe the rogue never gets hit to need the regen but they use the +atk and maybe that bard wont do much with +20 atk but he plays backup chanter and they get hit enough, and I could go on but the point is everyone can use the effect and the stats.
4 posts
by putting war in the middle like that i'm assuming you play one and just dont know....it's not that high
He said MELEE dps not factoring spells etc, his list is not far off base at all, factoring pets spells etc (overall DPS) would affect this listing drastically
ranger/rogue/monk/bst item, in order of prescendence.
war/paly/sk/bard
The plate can get better masks,the attack is more suited to those that can really pump the damage.
war/paly/sk/bard
The plate can get better masks,the attack is more suited to those that can really pump the damage.
an this is coming from someone who plays a druid...
for fuxxors sake, i wish ppl would stop the **** with "Classes who can do the dmg." Look, with friends who have parsed their dmg being a warrior. i don't think 200dps is bad , an we are talking a warrior here. DPS is out the window now, all classes deal considerable amount of dmg. Warriors are just as willing to get the ability from this then any other class listed. We need to make sure we can do as much dmg / hate to keep a mob in our face, if you took a warrior with 750atk on a raid, but had a 1k hate proc that went off ever 30 seconds...all the nuking wizzies doing 5k blasts would be dead...clerics would get CH aggro...mobs deal way to much dps anymore, warriors need to not only have EB weapons but decent DPS as well...just wish more would relize that...
If a fu<king item wasn't ment for a class...don't you think their class wouldn't be listed at all?
for fuxxors sake, i wish ppl would stop the **** with "Classes who can do the dmg." Look, with friends who have parsed their dmg being a warrior. i don't think 200dps is bad , an we are talking a warrior here. DPS is out the window now, all classes deal considerable amount of dmg. Warriors are just as willing to get the ability from this then any other class listed. We need to make sure we can do as much dmg / hate to keep a mob in our face, if you took a warrior with 750atk on a raid, but had a 1k hate proc that went off ever 30 seconds...all the nuking wizzies doing 5k blasts would be dead...clerics would get CH aggro...mobs deal way to much dps anymore, warriors need to not only have EB weapons but decent DPS as well...just wish more would relize that...
If a fu<king item wasn't ment for a class...don't you think their class wouldn't be listed at all?
42 posts
i fully agree with this post ... if you werent meant to wear it .. you wouldnt be able to .. straight up .. all i see here is to many noob's complaining because they want it and it went to some other class ... quit crying about it and STFU .... you will get a drop eventually ... so just deal
49 posts
Giving this to a Rogue over a Pali/SK would seem kinda silly to me. Maybe it's the STA and Mana....not sure...
cuz im sure all the RZ capable guilds troll allakhazams waiting for noobs to give them loot distribution advice...
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Posted: Jan 05 2004 at 3:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Many big guilds have idiotic loot policy. Just because they can beat quarm doesn't mean they **** gold moron...
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Posted: Jan 23 2004 at 5:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If your killing Quarm of course you don't **** gold, your ******** platinum, and lots of it...
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