Planes of PowerThis is the best single sword for a warrior, PERIOD. Only combo that even competes is the EoE/Darkblade dual wield, but even then, that's just a preference on dual wield vs 2HS.
With the new discs, and GoD AA's on Weapon Affinity, and SOE seemingly making the RZTW kill even harder, the BoW is even more precious, and better than ever. Obviously, it should be augged with Anger III, so it will double proc hate.
And put this weapon in the hands of a well geared Ogre warrior, and you have a God.
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6 posts
Darkblade of the Warlord+Hammer of the Timeweaver produces more hate and rage in a target that BoW, BoW aug it with anger 3, cool, but DBotWL+HotTW both augd with anger 3 = massive hate and rage, which produces way more aggro than BoW and both wpns DBotWL+HotTW have their own hate procs as is, so id duel darkblade+hammer of the timeweaver anyday, plus more and better stats that way. also dont forget your AA's GoD AA's adds a duel weild AA that makes you more successful than before to do dmg and avoid riposts.
7 posts
Darkblade/EoE or Darkblade/Timeweaver does more damage and produces more aggro then a BoW without comparison. Add to that the increase in AC and HP and there's no question as to which is better..
..However, DBoTW is Much harder to come by then a BoW.
..However, DBoTW is Much harder to come by then a BoW.
27 posts
if a ranger is ever awarded this, the guild leader should be drug out in the road and shot in the face... how stupid can u get? if all the pallys / sks / warriors have one then let the chanters , necros , and wizzies bid for it at the same time for a nice bank decoration it would be just as useful to them.. the only thing a ranger with this weapon will accomplish is running all the guilds clerics oom
2 posts
Why should pally not have this item. First if their stunned they not hitting u. The reason we have less hp than a warrior is if were chain stunning their not hitting so their going to hit us less than a warrior.A warrior is just their to get beat on where as a paladin is holding aggro without being hit half as much. I've noticed alot of the new paladins coming up in ranks dont use their stuns, would explain all the corpses outside of dungeuns.
43 posts
reason #1: DPS. a pally using his time stunning will not get a chance to swing with this weapon as much as a warrior.
reason #2: Agro. On a raid, a quick pair of procs can pull a raid mob if they're early enough in the fight.
reason #3: Agro (part 2). You knights have spells to get agro. what do warriors have? We have incite and area taunt. Thus, we still rely on procs for agro.
You do not NEED this weapon Mr Pally. go back to your world of plankton laced greatswords if you're a stunner.
reason #2: Agro. On a raid, a quick pair of procs can pull a raid mob if they're early enough in the fight.
reason #3: Agro (part 2). You knights have spells to get agro. what do warriors have? We have incite and area taunt. Thus, we still rely on procs for agro.
You do not NEED this weapon Mr Pally. go back to your world of plankton laced greatswords if you're a stunner.
FINALLY someone who realises that a pally with slightlyless AC/HP will still make a better tank than a warrior. In 3rd tier + PoP, GoD and ofcourse Hard LDoNs the mobs hit easily for 1k, even if a pally lands only 4 stuns a battle, each of these could equal 2 hits from a mob .. meaning they take 8k less damage.
Im not saying pallys are the best tanks in raids, or that hp isnt important .. a well equipped war who knows how to play his/her class is the best tank in the game, but dont rule pallys out just yet.
Oh, and id love one of these for xp grps alone.
Im not saying pallys are the best tanks in raids, or that hp isnt important .. a well equipped war who knows how to play his/her class is the best tank in the game, but dont rule pallys out just yet.
Oh, and id love one of these for xp grps alone.
43 posts
thats ASSUMING that the mobs hit for max damage and that you do indeed get hit by the mobs, and ALSO assuming that your stuns do indeed not stop, but DELAY an attack on a slowed mob since after the stun wears they instantly swing.
Your 8k less damage is definately flawed. at most it would be around 2k...maybe 3k since you're a pally =p
Pallies are still the #1 xp grp tank though, but the gap is most definately closing between warrior and pally. On the high end groups, the warrior gets the nod over the pally.
Your 8k less damage is definately flawed. at most it would be around 2k...maybe 3k since you're a pally =p
Pallies are still the #1 xp grp tank though, but the gap is most definately closing between warrior and pally. On the high end groups, the warrior gets the nod over the pally.
49 posts
Knight got less hps cuz they are knights and got spells... got nothing to do with the fact they got stun..
its called "class" balance..
Clerics got stun too, so shouldnt they be called tanks too then perhaps? :p
Its a great wpn and would be a nice item for a pally or sk.. not only warriors.. it grants the user some hate, but i doubt it will be able to steel the aggro from a good warrior that knows how to tank.. combining proc with pally stuns or sk spells would be nice for exp grouping.
Edited, Thu Mar 4 07:49:21 2004
its called "class" balance..
Clerics got stun too, so shouldnt they be called tanks too then perhaps? :p
Its a great wpn and would be a nice item for a pally or sk.. not only warriors.. it grants the user some hate, but i doubt it will be able to steel the aggro from a good warrior that knows how to tank.. combining proc with pally stuns or sk spells would be nice for exp grouping.
Edited, Thu Mar 4 07:49:21 2004
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Posted: Feb 02 2004 at 11:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Come on guy!!! Warrior should get this in his hand instead of in Pally or SK's hand. Knight and SK can get their better weapon than this like Greatblade of Chaos, Hopebringer (Knight), and Gem Encrusted Axe. So Knight and Shadow Knight will you please shut the @#!$ up and let Warrio loot it. Jeez when will thoes guy learn!!!
It's an MT weapon if by some reason your guild has SK or Pally MT sword goes to them. I really don't get why this blade has Ranger listed -- give it to any Ranger, single proc & "ranger down". I can't picture any ranger being stupid enough to use it.
37 posts
You'd be wrong about that. Rangers have upwards of 9K hps now and I know mine has more AC/HPS than some of the 65 Warrs.BTW I do tank tier 2 for AAs and tier 1 to kinda pl lower end groups. No I don't get hit once and die, yes I do take a little more dmg than a true tank. Still if ya see any class on a weap or armor don't dis that class cuz there is a reason. Maybe your just blind or very ignorant about other classes.
However, 9k hp or not, rangers don't use their AC like Warriors, Paladins and Shadowknights do, making it easier to hit them. Also, in a raid, your healers will be looking for the warrior and knights to tank. Even if you DO have 9k hp, you still will probably not be looked for as a raid tank.
15 posts
Theres no way I would think a Pally or Shadow knight would deserve this over a warrior during a raid. This is intended to be a warrior weapon first ... hands down ... massive DPS - Hate - HP's - Give it to the meat sack doing the work. Then when all are suited up - SK's and Pally's. A SK and Pally generating hate has to be careful nowadays.
49 posts
most guilds run some sort of point system to award loot at this lvl/tier, and the person with highest dkp/rpp gets this item if he wants it..
BoC and Hategiver, much nicer combo for warriors.. hehe :p
BoC and Hategiver, much nicer combo for warriors.. hehe :p
boc/hategiver nice, bf/hategiver better, unless you are tanking mobs that hit for 1k plus and riposte, then you kinda rethink the whole low delay thing.
Odds are, some of these end up being given to pallies and SKs. If a guild has DKP system, and their MTs are already geared with this or better, and a pally or SK on the raid has more DKP than the remaining warriors, then end of story. Especially if you have a seasoned member SK/Pally, and all the other warriors are apps, on a backflagging.
2 posts
Am unsure of why this is even a conversation piece. First NO GUILD is stupid enough to pass over Warriors for other classes on this weapon. IF you have Guild Officers doing this ..FIRE them and get new officers. Second After all Warriors have it ..then Pallies and SK . I would use it ..most likely not in raid but in LDON or GoD groups.
Last i would like to say ..Yes Warriors ARE the best Tanks vs the Big named Mobs and the Plane Bosses but there are quite a few 11K+ HP Pally's walking around and with good heal rotation they can also tank mobs that warriors do .. dont sell the Pally short its Harder for us to get the BIG HP ..but we can .. my 2cp
Amonthoth 65 Duke Paladin
Karana
Last i would like to say ..Yes Warriors ARE the best Tanks vs the Big named Mobs and the Plane Bosses but there are quite a few 11K+ HP Pally's walking around and with good heal rotation they can also tank mobs that warriors do .. dont sell the Pally short its Harder for us to get the BIG HP ..but we can .. my 2cp
Amonthoth 65 Duke Paladin
Karana
Hit Points are not the over all factor for tanking raid level mobs. Yea more HP=Better but what really makes an effective tank is HP+Innate Damage Mitigation and Discs (Defensive/Evasive to name a couple). DPS should mean nothing to a Warrior. Just keep the mob on you and at the same time give the CH rotation a chance to get into the swing of things. I will say though, Pallies and SK's are a viable option if a Warrior is not available but in a Raid, I can't see how there won't be atleast one Warrior availble to tank.
Warrior Main tank weapon. Period. Any other class that bids on this item and actualy thinks they should get it (above a warrior) should be deguilded immediately and delete your toon. Thats my 2cp
I agree Nuff Said!!
This is too funny LOL i'm dying laughing over here. First and foremost if you want this weapon for whatever reason and you're a knight you need to /q go to the character selection screen and immediately delete yourself. But seriously guys this is a weapon for the warriors/MTs of a raid, knights should have NO problems holding aggro if you are then you're either ebayed or not doing your job at all and need to start over as a caster or something.
just my 2cp
just my 2cp
I can see this in the hands of a pally, shadowknight or warrior. If I saw this in the hands of a ranger however, I would immediately call for the cleric to rezz...
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
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I run a Ranger/Cleric duo on my server. I duo plenty of mobs tier 1/2. Once when a retarded pulled while group was buffing, I had to tank a BoT mob /w just my duo standing (thank god the shammy slowed it before going out). I checked out the posts here bc I saw the hate proc and ranger listed and knew everyone would be pissed at rangers for being able to use it. I wouldn't think of bidding my points on this, but say I was in a Time flagged guild, I'm sure all the War's and most of the Pally/SK's would have better - then sure, it'd be a nice trophy to tote around and make the 'real' tanks drool.
Secondly - I can't believe people would flame Pally's or SK's for wanting this - it is a tank weapon - they are tanks. Sure they don't get as many hp's as War's, but they can grab agro on the pull and are awesome for xp groups. I don't know what guild in a raid situation would just send everyone in at once, I know we usually (depending on the raid) let the war build agro before going in, so that agro bouncing isn't a problem during the encounter.
I will say that if I had a war, pally, sk, I would give it to them in that order. Only because a Pally can build agro on the pull with a stun, but then the groups standing around waiting for the mob to get there, where the SK just darkness's and we make with the slaughter.
Bottom line is anyone listed can use it - BECAUSE THEY ARE LISTED. So you will always run into the occasional ranger that has one in his bag. But please stop joking about ranger's being down - sure we die - but who doesn't? Warrior's act like they 'do all the work' by hitting tuant while auto attack is on. Where would you be with your chain of healers keeping you alive?
PS - if you have a ranger - a cleric is the best combo because you won't have to look for a rez.
Secondly - I can't believe people would flame Pally's or SK's for wanting this - it is a tank weapon - they are tanks. Sure they don't get as many hp's as War's, but they can grab agro on the pull and are awesome for xp groups. I don't know what guild in a raid situation would just send everyone in at once, I know we usually (depending on the raid) let the war build agro before going in, so that agro bouncing isn't a problem during the encounter.
I will say that if I had a war, pally, sk, I would give it to them in that order. Only because a Pally can build agro on the pull with a stun, but then the groups standing around waiting for the mob to get there, where the SK just darkness's and we make with the slaughter.
Bottom line is anyone listed can use it - BECAUSE THEY ARE LISTED. So you will always run into the occasional ranger that has one in his bag. But please stop joking about ranger's being down - sure we die - but who doesn't? Warrior's act like they 'do all the work' by hitting tuant while auto attack is on. Where would you be with your chain of healers keeping you alive?
PS - if you have a ranger - a cleric is the best combo because you won't have to look for a rez.
20 posts
in my guild who ever has the msot DKP gets the item.So when a pally went in on it we were like whatever you go for it.thats what i like about DKP so a raid leader or guild leader cant decide who gets what.So all you pallys that want this go for it.
The drop rate on this is so rare and the boost it gives a raiding guilds MT (which would be a warrior) so overwhelming, that any guild (DKP or not) that let it not fall into their fatest tanks hands first would be stupid.
RZ is even to this day a fairly contested spawn and it's not like you are going to get these dropping like candy from the skies into your guilds hands.
Also, anyone on a raid who is not the MT will not be able to use it for fear of drawing agro. So the Pally who took this away from the guild's MT rotation would not even be able to use it on raids for the added DPS, rendering it a very nice xp group toy only.
RZ is even to this day a fairly contested spawn and it's not like you are going to get these dropping like candy from the skies into your guilds hands.
Also, anyone on a raid who is not the MT will not be able to use it for fear of drawing agro. So the Pally who took this away from the guild's MT rotation would not even be able to use it on raids for the added DPS, rendering it a very nice xp group toy only.
13 posts
You gotta be kidding me. Are knights on this board actually saying they want this weapon? C'mon guys don't be ridiculous. I'm a 65 paladin with almost 200 aa's. 8.3k hp. Vallon Zek drops Resplendant War Maul. If you are a paladin, grab that and ***** BoW.
This is hilarious to listen to fellow knights say they actually want this weapon. What the heck do you want even MORE aggro for? I can hold aggro from an entire raid without ever turning my attack button on (which is what I do when I tank Tallon Zek. Why? To keep from being riposted). I just equip a sword and shield for max hp/ac and just chain stun. Taunt if you feel like it. Doesn't really help unless you lose aggro. And if you are losing aggro and you think this weapon will help you as a knight, maybe it's time you chose a different class because you don't know how to play a knight if you are losing aggro.
This is hilarious to listen to fellow knights say they actually want this weapon. What the heck do you want even MORE aggro for? I can hold aggro from an entire raid without ever turning my attack button on (which is what I do when I tank Tallon Zek. Why? To keep from being riposted). I just equip a sword and shield for max hp/ac and just chain stun. Taunt if you feel like it. Doesn't really help unless you lose aggro. And if you are losing aggro and you think this weapon will help you as a knight, maybe it's time you chose a different class because you don't know how to play a knight if you are losing aggro.
36 posts
I /agree with what your saying as a Knight that cant hold agro should start a new class....And i fully agree on this weapon going to Warriors FIRST...And The Second class its a toss up on SK or Pally... the More Agro doesnt hurt if your the MA. Plus If your not attacking to Avoid Riposted...but the DMG coming off this helps for Dps...
And as a Pally (really cant relate...Im a SK) But i do know Pallies hold agro VERY well b/c of Stun, But us Sk's only have Snare/Dot..And when that gets resisted we tend to look for something else, DD lifetaps, IHT, or even our Agro line of spells...(Most of the time, If my Darkness gets resisted, i keep casting to get more agro)
So i guess im saying is that this is a Nice weapon for Warriors...(And I question the Guild that gives this to a SK/Pally OVER a warrior) But the more agro never hurts to play it safe on a Raid IMO
And as a Pally (really cant relate...Im a SK) But i do know Pallies hold agro VERY well b/c of Stun, But us Sk's only have Snare/Dot..And when that gets resisted we tend to look for something else, DD lifetaps, IHT, or even our Agro line of spells...(Most of the time, If my Darkness gets resisted, i keep casting to get more agro)
So i guess im saying is that this is a Nice weapon for Warriors...(And I question the Guild that gives this to a SK/Pally OVER a warrior) But the more agro never hurts to play it safe on a Raid IMO
Well said!
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Posted: Jan 22 2004 at 4:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who the hell cares about the damn aggro proc? Just because a weapon has a proc doesn't mean another class doesn't want it. Pal and Shd do use aggro, but I'm sure a paladin wouldn't want this for the aggro. It's got a very nice ratio and the stats are awesome.
Maybe this could be used as a temp weapon to tide knights over till they get something better. But I think many knights dream 2-hander would be Earthspined Staff. Well that is if it does indeed lifetap and someone posted that it does. With aa you're supposed to get more healage and also more crits then a warrior can.
It's all strictly opinion, I honestly don't know for sure if any of this is even valid. I just can't keep my mouth shut. Guess that would make me a lot like yourself Maxium eh?
It's all strictly opinion, I honestly don't know for sure if any of this is even valid. I just can't keep my mouth shut. Guess that would make me a lot like yourself Maxium eh?
43 posts
You can concievably get more crits than a warrior can, but then you are comparing a knight with all of those AA's maxed and a warrior without those AA's...a warrior with those AA's will definately have a higher crit percentage than a knight with the same AA's
9 posts
Well I personally wouldnt say no if the weapon went open. In my experience with RZ, its always gone to the MT or MA.. and so forth down the lines of wars. As a ranger I would never even think about using it on a raid.. I might take it but it would only see use when I want to help some friends lvl up..I've 7500 hp enough to tank pov, bot, hoh and lodn. If I pulled that out on a raid, I"d spend half my time jolting and the other half dieing.
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2 posts
Lol this is crazy but imo...
Any Raid Leader would give a Warrior in his raid the first choice on this weapon. Just like the Warrior 'Blade of Strategy' its built for one reason, Agro. Warriors ofcourse will need this to maintain there position as a tank and in any case on a big raid for teir3 bosses and elemental planes... id rather have a Warrior tanking bosses.
In the otherhand knights deserve this just as much BUT... there is no reaso for them to want it as badly as a warrior... they can hold agro 10x better then a warrior if wanted.
So really stop the arguing lol. Warriors for bosses are great with this wep. knights tanking trash on a raid is how it usually goes.
And as for the 'But knights have been known to tank Quarm'... until you become one of the top knights on your server and have the hp to remain standing i dont see any reason for you to start sayin that knights are capable of everything a warrior is cuz plain and simple if i were tanking Rallos Zek... id rather heal a warrior being hit for 1500-1800dmg then a pally at full whack with 2300hits =) Oh and finally, so what if knights can steal agro from warriors? if that ever happened whilst a warrior was tanking a boss on a raid it would be a raid wipe... /boot knight from raid as he just ***** up for attempting to be the upper tank class =)) /salute
Marshall of Prexus server
Any Raid Leader would give a Warrior in his raid the first choice on this weapon. Just like the Warrior 'Blade of Strategy' its built for one reason, Agro. Warriors ofcourse will need this to maintain there position as a tank and in any case on a big raid for teir3 bosses and elemental planes... id rather have a Warrior tanking bosses.
In the otherhand knights deserve this just as much BUT... there is no reaso for them to want it as badly as a warrior... they can hold agro 10x better then a warrior if wanted.
So really stop the arguing lol. Warriors for bosses are great with this wep. knights tanking trash on a raid is how it usually goes.
And as for the 'But knights have been known to tank Quarm'... until you become one of the top knights on your server and have the hp to remain standing i dont see any reason for you to start sayin that knights are capable of everything a warrior is cuz plain and simple if i were tanking Rallos Zek... id rather heal a warrior being hit for 1500-1800dmg then a pally at full whack with 2300hits =) Oh and finally, so what if knights can steal agro from warriors? if that ever happened whilst a warrior was tanking a boss on a raid it would be a raid wipe... /boot knight from raid as he just ***** up for attempting to be the upper tank class =)) /salute
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15 posts
AYE!!!
Drinks a Beer!
Kicks a Dwarf for funzies!
Picks that Green hard thing off of butt!
Sitting down to regen like a madman ... ahhh a Trolls life.
Drinks a Beer!
Kicks a Dwarf for funzies!
Picks that Green hard thing off of butt!
Sitting down to regen like a madman ... ahhh a Trolls life.
Amen.....
(drinks a beer)
Maxium Duelblade
(drinks a beer)
Maxium Duelblade
After the latest patch warrriors got a sleugh of new discs that make them a better tank than a knight. period. Now warriors ARE the best tanks which is what they were meant to do in the first place. Pre-Time I'd say this was the best Warrior weapon. Slap the Anger 3 augment on it and you got an uber aggro holding device, specially with these new discs. Oh btw, Warriors always tank and offtank in all major planar raids on Drinal. Knights now complain that they didn't get anything so they aren't as good a tank. TOO bad its called being a hyrbid.
Scholar
21 posts
Lol you seem bitter at paladins...
But even though warrior may have all nice disc's and stuff, a well timed stun has always been better for agro then taunt. Wariors take longer to build the agro. I never complained about warriors being tanks at raids though. A warrior can just take a lot more hits. But a paladin can still gain agro faster.
But even though warrior may have all nice disc's and stuff, a well timed stun has always been better for agro then taunt. Wariors take longer to build the agro. I never complained about warriors being tanks at raids though. A warrior can just take a lot more hits. But a paladin can still gain agro faster.
Paladins pwn for exp groups
Ldon hard alweays used pallie, had to heal more but he had aggro from times first stun lands till mob is dead even if i nuke like a ******.
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Ldon hard alweays used pallie, had to heal more but he had aggro from times first stun lands till mob is dead even if i nuke like a ******.
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Ok for all you people that were arguing about who this is best for etc. This weapon is best for a warrior because warrior's are the game's tanks. I'm not saying that it isn't a good weapon for a PAL or SHD because it is. But warrior's almost ALWAYS get first dibs on this after killing RZ. I personally wouldn't want this if I were a ranger because it procs an aggro spell and rangers usually aren't tanks. And whoever said "good point but is TWO HAND SLASH". Hopefully you know that 2h slash is better then 1h slash for higher levels because mobs riposte, you have too fast a weapon or are dual wielding you're going to kill yourself with riposte damage. Espcially if you're in a raid against a mob like the very mob who drops BoW, Rallos Zek the Warlord. Just think about the damage it has, the proc, and riposte damage and it all works out. Yea 15 int 15 wis and ther mana isn't useful to a warrior, but who cares? If you're in a raid you want your warrior tank keeping aggro and dealing enough damage to hold it. Think before you post.
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Negative, Paladins and Shadowknights tank specific mobs. We always have Paladin/SK's tank Tallon Zek for example on the RZ event. Your highest character is 56, have you raided RZ before? I think YOU need to think before YOU post. Warriors have alot of weapons available with enraging blow on them, plus augments. I agree warriors should get the first few ones for your guild, but than let other classes get them. Just because you get an item doesnt mean its used in raids only, think about groups etc.
Edited, Sat Dec 20 03:15:58 2003
Edited, Sat Dec 20 03:15:58 2003
16 posts
As u can see its an opinion, dont have to agree, but imho, it could be for warriors,SK, and pallys. Warriors for one thing is because of the proc, with it gains aggro. Its a plus for them. Pallies and SKs would benefit the stats the most. :ie wis,int,sta,str.
16 posts
As u can see its an opinion, dont have to agree, but imho, it could be for warriors,SK, and pallys. Warriors for one thing is because of the proc, with it gains aggro. Its a plus for them. Pallies and SKs would benefit the stats the most. :ie wis,int,sta,str.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 28 2003 at 2:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why does this have other classes besides warrior. If i was a warrior I'd be pissed if a pally or SK rolled on this...
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Posted: Dec 05 2003 at 4:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL, you would be pissed if a paladin or Sk rolls on this amazing 2h blade, with 15wis 15int 140mana??? I would be pissed if a warrior rolled for this uber 2h just to keep in his inventory and I dont care if it's called Warrior's blade of the warrior!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 05 2003 at 4:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL, you would be pissed if a paladin or Sk rolls on this amazing 2h blade, with 15wis 15int 140mana??? I would be pissed if a warrior rolled for this uber 2h just to keep in his inventory and I dont care if it's called Warrior's blade of the warrior!
and, ummmm, BTW, you have to equip this to get stats. so what, on a raid, you sit there with your 15wis/int 140 mana not swinging a weapon. maybe you just lay back and cast uber pally spells. i say this cuz you can't swing this in a raid or you'll never be invited back. i shouldn't have to tell you why.
LOL, i'm pissed you double posted
As a 65 Ranger I would never accept this sword unless all other usuable classes already had it.
I would never have a use for this unless I was thrown into the unenviable position of being the Ranger TANK. I've done it but I sure don't like it. Not only that but when I do TANK on occasion it is much easier on the Cleric if I use a 2Hand weapon. Much less riposte damage. Generating agg in this situation is quite easy by chain casting Flame Lick. Ticks em off, keeps their attention and hopefully gives the other members of the group time to lay down the needed DPS.
My job is to provide DPS. I prefer to let my Bow do my talking. In the event of a walled or cornered mob my dual wield will have to do without the Hate list generation.
I would never have a use for this unless I was thrown into the unenviable position of being the Ranger TANK. I've done it but I sure don't like it. Not only that but when I do TANK on occasion it is much easier on the Cleric if I use a 2Hand weapon. Much less riposte damage. Generating agg in this situation is quite easy by chain casting Flame Lick. Ticks em off, keeps their attention and hopefully gives the other members of the group time to lay down the needed DPS.
My job is to provide DPS. I prefer to let my Bow do my talking. In the event of a walled or cornered mob my dual wield will have to do without the Hate list generation.
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I Cant Belive my eyes ppl you have ppl freaking out over this .. war's are MADE to tank !! thats there Job.. im a lv 51 war on Strom and when i get on my first big raid and this drops .. if me or the other war's dont have first dibs on it il go nuts.. as it is i cant even hold enough agro for most of the group im in and im doing my best .. but as soon as a wiz drops a nuke that mob is all over.. you ppl that are crying over this sword bieng for a war First should quit EQ you ppl dont know nothing about bieng a war or even playing in a Good group when the war that is made to tank cant hold it down and sombody gets killed .. its My but.. ppl get nasty when your mob gets all over.. as far as a Sk and the other classes that want this.. your not made to hold down a Dragon .. or any god.. thats what a war is for.. take 2nd fiddel to the main tank and be happy with it.. as if you guys cant do enough damage already and now you want to single out the war and take his spot.. at level 51 im bearly hiting for 40-50 most of the time i hit 20-30 and i have decent weapons. .. i would give my left arm for this sword.. to be at the top of the hate list is a dream for a war and a nightmare for any other class.. and that is all i have to say about that atm!!
good points indeed. but don't give your left arm...it's 2HS!
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"as far as a Sk and the other classes that want this.. your not made to hold down a Dragon .. or any god.. thats what a war is for.. take 2nd fiddel to the main tank and be happy with it.."
A lot of the times Knights are even taken over Warriors while raiding these dragons and Gods that you say Knight classes can't tank. In fact, Knight classes have successfully main tanked Quarm, the boss mob of Plane of Time! You'll find that in the end game, Knights are oftem preferred of Warriors as main tanks. But Warriors will always have the better damage mitigation, and defensive disc over Knight classes. It's just that some Clerics find it easier to heal a little more than go around rezzing everyone because the Warrior couldn't keep the aggro off of the casters.
And I would rather this go to a Warrior than a Knight, because this would help them out with their little aggro problem quite a bit. But I most definately wouldn't keep the Knight out of the selection.
A lot of the times Knights are even taken over Warriors while raiding these dragons and Gods that you say Knight classes can't tank. In fact, Knight classes have successfully main tanked Quarm, the boss mob of Plane of Time! You'll find that in the end game, Knights are oftem preferred of Warriors as main tanks. But Warriors will always have the better damage mitigation, and defensive disc over Knight classes. It's just that some Clerics find it easier to heal a little more than go around rezzing everyone because the Warrior couldn't keep the aggro off of the casters.
And I would rather this go to a Warrior than a Knight, because this would help them out with their little aggro problem quite a bit. But I most definately wouldn't keep the Knight out of the selection.
hmmm, sounds like you misunderstand/misplay the class. but no amount of logic will change your thinking. that's cool. let me know how many times you MA quarm....
27 posts
for some reason most of the post are saying why peeps shouldnt have this sword or why bards are *****'d on the class balance but one thing is for sure that is 1 of the better 2h'd weapon u can get period for an sk/pally/warrior
indrem 65 sk tunare
..... where is my ranger down hot key at again ..
indrem 65 sk tunare
..... where is my ranger down hot key at again ..
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i play a pally and wouldnt have this sword given to me ...
much better poe sword ..
would look it up but raidng RZ
Buen
Edited, Sun Jan 18 10:38:13 2004
much better poe sword ..
would look it up but raidng RZ
Buen
Edited, Sun Jan 18 10:38:13 2004
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i play a pally and wouldnt have this sword given to me ...
I play a 52 warrior and would rather see knights with this sword then warriors.
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I play a 52 warrior and would rather see knights with this sword then warriors.
You are truley a moron!
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Posted: Nov 06 2003 at 7:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I WANT I WANT I WANT IWANT IWANT IWANT I WANT PALY PALY PALY PALY PALY PALY PALY PALY
as far as i know the last bard usable two hander has been removed from game.....
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Sorry,
But I hardly consider bards being screwed in EQ. A well played bard is one of the best toons in any situation from EXP groups to raids.
You haven't seen the power of a bard until you see an outdoor dragon pull executed by a bard and the dragon being OOM by the time it gets to the kill spot.
Nor have you seen a group of 65's doing LDoN complete an execution in 20 minutes with a bard leading the way.
Watch those AoE's drop to almost no effect from a mob in a raid with a bard there and tell me about how screwed bards are in EQ.
If I had it to do all over again knowing what I do about EQ now as compared to 1999, I would have the Bard as one of the top 3 I would want to be my main character along with enchanters and clerics.
Go play a warrior a while, untwinked, to say level 50. Earn your gear as you go, start out with the rusty weapon and assortment of patchwork. See how long it takes you to get to even level 30. Now do it over again with your choice Bard/pally/SK/druid/shaman/necro etc.
Come back and tell me what you think about class balance then and if bards are being screwed.
But I hardly consider bards being screwed in EQ. A well played bard is one of the best toons in any situation from EXP groups to raids.
You haven't seen the power of a bard until you see an outdoor dragon pull executed by a bard and the dragon being OOM by the time it gets to the kill spot.
Nor have you seen a group of 65's doing LDoN complete an execution in 20 minutes with a bard leading the way.
Watch those AoE's drop to almost no effect from a mob in a raid with a bard there and tell me about how screwed bards are in EQ.
If I had it to do all over again knowing what I do about EQ now as compared to 1999, I would have the Bard as one of the top 3 I would want to be my main character along with enchanters and clerics.
Go play a warrior a while, untwinked, to say level 50. Earn your gear as you go, start out with the rusty weapon and assortment of patchwork. See how long it takes you to get to even level 30. Now do it over again with your choice Bard/pally/SK/druid/shaman/necro etc.
Come back and tell me what you think about class balance then and if bards are being screwed.
And even beyond any of the very good reasons offered by meat sheild. How is it ******** bards to make a 2hs weapon not usable by them... bards don't get 2hs so their skill in it would be 0 and never ever go up. Now just barring that "tiny" little fact, I know of no bard with even half a brain in his head that would give up the instrement effect on his current weapons to use this even if he could use 2hs. Now warriors... there is a class that gets screwed... now even SK/Pallies can out tank them and hold more agro, only advantage warriors have is the defensive discipline. I personally think it is high time SOE put in some more warrior aa's like "Improved Taunt" (not ae but a tiered taunt modifier that adds more and more effect to their taunt skill), but thats just my opinion.
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Posted: Sep 30 2003 at 8:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To all you people arguing about class, i will say one thing. I have never seen a BoW on any other class then a warrior. That is all.
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Posted: Sep 24 2003 at 12:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have play a 65 war on E-marr. I weild a Bloodfrenzy in main and Vyzdra's in offhand. I have triple procs on both my weapons and can out taunt any sk or paladin or ranger chain casting with ease. EB + 75hp lifetap aug + orb of sky proc on main and 75hp lifetap + 50hp lifetap + orb of sky 35dd stun proc on off-hand = one proc'in sob. Dun gimme the crap that Paldins/SK's can out taunt a Warrior cuz it dont fly here. ><
Honestly I'd like to see him use two 1 handers in a raid. Although he's got some decent procs going, I'd have no doubt he'd be dead on any PoP boss mob within a minute tops. (And that's with some damned good chain casting clerics to keep him alive) Reason the Blade of War is so popular among warriors is due to the riposte factor of high end mobs lately. Why use two weaker weapons creating double the riposte when you can instead use one powerful weapon and stay alive? That and a warrior's job is purely to be the shield for the real damage doers, i.e. Wizzies, rogues, rangers, etc.
2 posts
hi crack, can i smoke you?
Scholar
45 posts
Well.. all I have to say is.. it's really about your aggro being 'good enough' to hold the boss, not really can you out taunt Knights.
Incidentally, and I'm just giving some honest feedback, I group occasionally with a nicely equipped warrior, not identical to you but close. I can pull aggro off him at will when he is using BoW, and if I make any effort on a raid (diff warr's now) I can out taunt them as well.
It makes no sense to do it (to me anyway), but I've observed a different result than the one you indicate (when I'm using either Spear of Fire or Ornate Greatblade, with Pious Might proc loaded, and casting Flash of Light, Force of Akile and Shackels of Tunare).
Just some data, don't really equate being able to pull aggro off a 'well aggroing' warrior with being useful anyway (I'm sure you'll agree).
Peace=)
Duke Nicketh
Lord Protector
Triadica
Solusek Ro
Incidentally, and I'm just giving some honest feedback, I group occasionally with a nicely equipped warrior, not identical to you but close. I can pull aggro off him at will when he is using BoW, and if I make any effort on a raid (diff warr's now) I can out taunt them as well.
It makes no sense to do it (to me anyway), but I've observed a different result than the one you indicate (when I'm using either Spear of Fire or Ornate Greatblade, with Pious Might proc loaded, and casting Flash of Light, Force of Akile and Shackels of Tunare).
Just some data, don't really equate being able to pull aggro off a 'well aggroing' warrior with being useful anyway (I'm sure you'll agree).
Peace=)
Duke Nicketh
Lord Protector
Triadica
Solusek Ro
25 posts
The only way that someone other than a warrior is geting this is if all the warriors in the guild already have one.
http://go.cannotlinkto.com/play2.x?p=92868
http://go.cannotlinkto.com/play2.x?p=92868
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Posted: Sep 23 2003 at 2:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) um you reall thinking that ? lol for one this thing is RARE only so many drop so often, atm i believe there are only 9 on 7th hammer as of date of this posting, an 1 in tde , 4 in FS, 4 in FW...and for one..why would a ranger want aggo =P bro real, this should really be a war only weapon. Pallies an SK's get awesome weapons i don't understadn what SoE is thinking since WE as a warrior need weapons like this, i mean pallies get stuns an sk's get snare an lifetap great aggro. so why do they need to be tagged on this >_<
OK clearly this is a warrior weapon. Now I can see SK's and Pali's getting it. they are excellent tanks, and the best choice for tanking almost anything up a "boss" mob. But a ranger? How many rangers do you know even want aggro anymore? Rangers don't offtank unless things are going bad. Heck they don't even melee unless they have too. They are a dps class, and fall 5th inline for tanks (Warrior < SK = Pali < Monk < Ranger). So what ranger in his right mind would want an EB weapon?
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(Warrior < SK = Pali < Monk < Ranger).
hate to be nit picky, but shouldn't it be:
(Warrior > SK = Pali > Monk > Ranger).
Uanwean on tholuxe paells had one. is a ranger. or was rather, as he is now retired.
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