Wicked Shank
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Scholar
16 posts
Backstab is 12% now
Killed him today for the first time with guild, nice stabber, Gratz to the rogue in my guild who bid the highest :)
Scholar
16 posts
I am a 62 rogue who would very much like to have this in her main hand, as I have my epic in main atm. The guild I am in is just at the level of doing Thunderclap now - tried him the other day a couple of times and wiped when when he was 45%. We lacked DPS on the day unfortunetly, and when the two BLs bought the dust so went out Paragon and Ferocity. *sighes* So just fine tuning, worked it now and are going to go back for some payback soon. Really good fun. (Tried Hailstorm too but not quiet ready for him yet *drools at his 17/24 piecer*)
My question is this: people have been grumbling among other things about, about the proc. (Yes it does seem rather useless but then rogue doesn't want to grab agro anyhow.) If a you need to swap target to an unmezzable mob but your proc has gone off on the first mob who is now about to be mezzed - how would you handle this situation?
I had two thoughts - often you can off tank a mob with the SA taking ago and the MA switching to new mob. That would surely help solve the problems of "oh damn my dot proc has gone off". The other thought was if the rogue's proc broke the mez, how likely would it be that the mob jump on the rogue or the chanter that mezzed it? IF the mob jumps on the rogue then surely the rogue can move away from the fighting group and take a death for the good of the raid, so giving a chanter enough time to deal with the broken mezz. I personally would have a hotkey set up with the info to the raid saying "sorry my proc seems to have doted %T the mez will keep being broken" so the raid party knows, and you can just hit the hot key if this situation arises? In my exp communication is paramount in this sort of situation?
Any thoughts? - how would you deal with the situation? I really would like a dam 16 weapon and this is the most likely upgrade that I will get for my rogue for a while - bearing in mind I don't play the "uber game". Sensible comments please :)
My question is this: people have been grumbling among other things about, about the proc. (Yes it does seem rather useless but then rogue doesn't want to grab agro anyhow.) If a you need to swap target to an unmezzable mob but your proc has gone off on the first mob who is now about to be mezzed - how would you handle this situation?
I had two thoughts - often you can off tank a mob with the SA taking ago and the MA switching to new mob. That would surely help solve the problems of "oh damn my dot proc has gone off". The other thought was if the rogue's proc broke the mez, how likely would it be that the mob jump on the rogue or the chanter that mezzed it? IF the mob jumps on the rogue then surely the rogue can move away from the fighting group and take a death for the good of the raid, so giving a chanter enough time to deal with the broken mezz. I personally would have a hotkey set up with the info to the raid saying "sorry my proc seems to have doted %T the mez will keep being broken" so the raid party knows, and you can just hit the hot key if this situation arises? In my exp communication is paramount in this sort of situation?
Any thoughts? - how would you deal with the situation? I really would like a dam 16 weapon and this is the most likely upgrade that I will get for my rogue for a while - bearing in mind I don't play the "uber game". Sensible comments please :)
Do NOT engage until crowd control is established.
This weapon will teach you discipline.
This weapon will teach you discipline.
21 posts
Had a Warrior over bid me today for this. He did it as a Whim. I cant believe it. sigh oh well
Rogue from Rathe
Rogue from Rathe
How can this be a common drop!?!?! I've killed this mob EASILY 10-15 times, and what do i have to show for it? ugats! he's dropped that stupid caster cap every single time..grrrrr
11 posts
Frankly, I don't use escape that much. I plan ahead.. as for the dot, if you have a druid, shammy, necro, or just about any other class that casts dots in your group, the proc off this sticker isnt going to hurt mez. What is this with switching targets? Maybe I'm just not in groups that need to do that very often or something. Yeah, you're fighting xxx that's mezzable, and you get an unmezzable xxx add...but kill everyone on your raid, comon now.. like every necro and druid hasn't dotted the $*#(( out of it by the time your shank procs. If you're so worried about escape , switch it out with a non-dotting sticker when you're fighting something you're not sure if your group can handle.
You dont use escape that much? lol... I use it all the time on raids. When you are taking flagging mobs that are ROUGH.. we frequently whipe till we get our tactic down. It it wasn't for escape I would die and possibly have no one else to do CR (to speed recovery time). I can think of allot of toughie mobs I would rather do without a DoT proc.. AoW, CoD flag Ring mobs, Etc. I WOULD however like any instant proc to replace this DoT, like a lifetap proc or an instant DD one.
If you don't use escape, your guild isnt pushing the envelope..
Edited, Tue Dec 9 12:49:42 2003
If you don't use escape, your guild isnt pushing the envelope..
Edited, Tue Dec 9 12:49:42 2003
Just augment the weapon with a DD proc. I think the augment proc will override the natural one. Could be wrong, but I believe this to be true.
Cacador 65 Pally
Cacador 65 Pally
38 posts
As far as I understand it, augment procs will add onto natural procs (ie you will be proccing two different effects with one item)
Or so I'm told :) I'm just a cleric
Or so I'm told :) I'm just a cleric
13 posts
To clarify: each proc will be handled seperately. IE the probability that the weapon procs one thing, and the probability of it procing the other are seperate calulations. So, no it will not override the origional proc, but they wont both happen whenever the weapon procs. Maybe once in a great while they'll both go off, but that's not too likely.
7 posts
I just received this weapon in a pick up raid. For some reason, two of these dropped at the same time. We defaulted one to the only rogue in the raid, and the second one went to open lotto. I was fortunate enough to with this beautiful piercer. Even though as a ranger I will have no use for the backstab modifier, I have ben EXTREMELY pleased with it's performance. Must say it's an outstanding weapon, and given the relative lack of difficulty obtaining it based on its performance and stats, It is one of the "sleeper" weapons around. ENJOY
1 post
FYI, the dot will mess up with escape.
24 posts
Aye, I have heard this as well. Because it procs a DoT, in the event the group wipes and you are up to use escape...next tick you get aggro again so your escape is blown. I know a couple rogues who are looking for a new main hander atm.
-Alky
-Alky
well, since oow came out u can pick up a soulpiercer. its a 17/20 with nice stats and a rune 1 proc on it, and its only reccomended for level 60
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13250
here's yer new main hander, harder ssra mob, but easily done with 3-4 groups
13 posts
Ok, folks. I have a tip for you :) If you are worried about aggro, what you need to do is work your poison making skill. You can make procing poisons that lower you on the hate list. These poisons will help with the proc on his weapon to keep you low on the hate list, keeping you alive and the aggro on your tank where it should be....Just a suggestion. I have my poison making at 240 now, and can make all the PoP poisons successfully most of the time. Good luck!
You need a clue bro.. all the anti hate poisons etc wont stop reagro if you have escaped and the mob has a DoT on him that was placed there by you. As for the agro from the DoT, forget it.. it is a hugely ineffectual DoT that is very poor in performance and low in agro. Think about it.. heat blood is a 17 hp a tick DoT.. If you have rujakin poison or vampire kiss on the dagger instead, which are 125dd and 75dd respectively, you would get more dmg out of the dagger in less time and yet be able to still escape if things turned bad. This proc is totally useless in the grand scheme of things and only serves to make rogues second guess using it in questionable situations.
Does anyone post any relevant information anymore. I read through all this crap to see who dropped this in BoT and came up with nothing but a class arguementation
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Posted: Jul 15 2003 at 5:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dont see why people are rating his post awful. The guy is pointing out that saying stuff like : I need this ! or: Its a Rogue weapon ! Dosnt help anyone and should be deleted.
21 posts
Brynju Thunderclap.
Got it tonight, and yes, it's great.
Got it tonight, and yes, it's great.
2 posts
first off i wanna say this is my friends name...second off, damn nice weapon not just for rogues either. Takeing into consideration how much dmg bonus is on that thing as well. about the proc and heat blood line holding alot of agro....take it from a 53 SK's point of view...heat blood doesnt hold ****, if it was darkness rogues would pull all kinds of agro, but a low lvl heat blood spell wont do **** if u know how to sneak/hide whatever the **** u guys do when a mob turns around to attack u but for some reason they dont find ya, got plenty of rogue friends that can lose agro just as quick as they get it =).
Zelis Neberalli
53 o so close to 54 SK
Zelis Neberalli
53 o so close to 54 SK
5 posts
Quote: take it from a 53 SK's point of view
Take it from a lvl 64 Rogues point of view.
You know nothing about PoP nor rogues. This is a clear upgrade to the rogue epic. I suppose that if a 2hs came along that was an upgrade to your epic... that had say a 15% mod to harm touch... that you would have no problem seeing say a rogue get it?
Edited, Fri Mar 7 10:52:02 2003
Take it from a lvl 64 Rogues point of view.
You know nothing about PoP nor rogues. This is a clear upgrade to the rogue epic. I suppose that if a 2hs came along that was an upgrade to your epic... that had say a 15% mod to harm touch... that you would have no problem seeing say a rogue get it?
Edited, Fri Mar 7 10:52:02 2003
He said the proc shouldn't be a problem for a rogue, whats the harm?
3 posts
Harm is bad info :P
1. Proc does cause problems for rogues as it ruins our Escape AA ability.
2. "This weapon has lots of damage bonus" is a interesting statement considering damage bonus on one-handed weapons has nothing to with the weapon but with the user's level. It is 13 for all one handed weaps at level 65, for 2-handed weapons its based both on level and the weapon's Delay.
1. Proc does cause problems for rogues as it ruins our Escape AA ability.
2. "This weapon has lots of damage bonus" is a interesting statement considering damage bonus on one-handed weapons has nothing to with the weapon but with the user's level. It is 13 for all one handed weaps at level 65, for 2-handed weapons its based both on level and the weapon's Delay.
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Posted: Jan 22 2003 at 11:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Still... what drops this weapon?
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Posted: Jan 18 2003 at 7:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, my main is a lvl 65 rogue and I'm flagged for BoT what mob drops this dagger, I want one....
10 posts
Most of you must not play rogues. My main is a rogue and the highest dmg ive seen ona rogue wep is 17. A wep with 16 dmg and only 21 dly is too good to be true. I'll get one of these in about 15 more lvls i cant wait. The proc might be a pain but people act like rogues are weak and cant take a good 10 or 15 wacks without dying. Maybe it's cause mine's a Dwarf rogue but i can tank as good as a ranger. I dont think the proc gets that much in the way. The ratio is too good to be true. This is the reason i play a rogue.
Shaank
Kind Rogue of Tunare
"Rogues do it from behind!!"
Shaank
Kind Rogue of Tunare
"Rogues do it from behind!!"
I know what yer saying, but the other guys are right. at 50ish, yeah, you can take a few hits and call for help. when you're high enough level to carry a shank, a rogue falls pretty hard. true, and rogue worth his salt will have lightning quick /hide relexes, but at 62 (to get into bot) you can't just stand there and "tank like a ranger". and never compare a rogue to a ranger ever again. stupid gars.
1 post
Cut the guy some slack, he says he hopes to get the shank in about 15 levels or so. That would make him level 50 or less. I sure as he11 could take a few hits when I was that level.
I guess some people just jump at any possible chance to flame peeps. Lame.
Transfix of Ayonae Ro Server
65 Deceiver
I guess some people just jump at any possible chance to flame peeps. Lame.
Transfix of Ayonae Ro Server
65 Deceiver
ROFL! He said "tank as good as a ranger"!
/em rolls on the floor laughing until it hurts!
/em rolls on the floor laughing until it hurts!
Tonight on E-Marr we took down the mob that drops this fine weapon, which I won by the by. We had a very inexperienced MA and SA (Was a PU raid). They were both decently geared 8k and 7k hps unbuffed, respectively, and were both sumarily eaten alive by this mob. I think it was a problem with a not tight enough c-heal rot and multiple slow resists. (The shaman said all magic based slows were no go, but landed cloud of grummus). After they were both down, and so quickly, a who knows what geared ranger (from our servers uber UK guild, Divine Grace) stepped up, and tanked the rest of the mob, flawlessly.
I'm sure that the gearing had something to do with it, but he held aggro and took the hits like a champ. I've seen several Ele+ geared rangers take over for MA's who bit the dust on a missed Cheal or what not. I'm not claiming them to be The New Warrior, but rangers can hold their own.
Even I, with my measily almost 4k unbuffed hps, can take quite a few hits (ie when buffed, on a slowed mob, I can easily go 10-15 rounds w/o a heal, on group xp type targets of course) though I have to fight to try to hold aggro.
Point: Don't stereotype classes, except rogues. Stereotype us as being uber. ;)
Sneekeh
<Order of Flaming Shrine>
65 Rogue
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1069690
I'm sure that the gearing had something to do with it, but he held aggro and took the hits like a champ. I've seen several Ele+ geared rangers take over for MA's who bit the dust on a missed Cheal or what not. I'm not claiming them to be The New Warrior, but rangers can hold their own.
Even I, with my measily almost 4k unbuffed hps, can take quite a few hits (ie when buffed, on a slowed mob, I can easily go 10-15 rounds w/o a heal, on group xp type targets of course) though I have to fight to try to hold aggro.
Point: Don't stereotype classes, except rogues. Stereotype us as being uber. ;)
Sneekeh
<Order of Flaming Shrine>
65 Rogue
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1069690
you must be one bad *** rog or just tanking moss snakes :P my rog has 4943hp unbuffed and ac 1832 and i get killed off BOT mobs if i get hit more then 5 times without a heal so
You're a ****** idiot, "Shaank"
You don't know the first thing about being a rogue.
You don't know the first thing about being a rogue.
5 posts
I'll pay to see you take 10 or 15 whacks in BoT. I'd wager you couldnt take 5.
18 posts
The proc on this is very weak and wont collect much aggro at only 17hps a tick. So this is an ideal rogue weapon, considering if i were to have one(oh please god hear me), the mob wont be alive for more than 20 ticks, and thats if it procs from the beginning of fight. The main hassle would be the switch to a diff target if you got a proc off. That could get a raid or group killed easily.
Edited, Sun Dec 29 05:59:18 2002
Edited, Sun Dec 29 05:59:18 2002
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Posted: Dec 23 2002 at 1:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What named drops this???
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Posted: Dec 02 2002 at 3:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just got new motivation to get my rogue leveled ... he stopped at 41.
Nice little poker here, but pally usable? I ll pass and let the rouges drool on this, but I agree with the effect, useless. Its just keeping this from *BEING* the perfect rogue weapon.
Edited, Thu Nov 28 04:38:51 2002
Edited, Thu Nov 28 04:38:51 2002
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Posted: Nov 27 2002 at 8:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just dying to get a weapon with a +BS modifier. Anyone know what drops this thing?
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 27 2002 at 4:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) its better then nothing, and it proccing constantly would help slow/stop regen.
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Posted: Nov 28 2002 at 11:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, actually I would much rather have no proc than heat blood. It "proccing constantly" would just mean your death. People need to realize DoT procs taunt like no other, ruin mez if you switch targets, and generally just plain suck.
if a rogue with that weapon would be fighting in a group with tank you group with , aye he´d get aggro . and then solo the mob.
no that proc will not get you aggro often if ever if u know how to play your rogue. not if u have a half decent tank i.e.
no that proc will not get you aggro often if ever if u know how to play your rogue. not if u have a half decent tank i.e.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 27 2002 at 3:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, this is an awesome weapon, don't get me wrong. I don't play a rogue, but if I did, I'd give my eye teeth for a weapon that gave me +15% to backstab (rogues, speak up if I'm missing the mark there).
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 27 2002 at 4:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now i dont play a lvl61+ rogue, but i do play a rogue as my main. The stat, the mod, and the ratio is kick *** - not many things that are better than this, if theyre any. The proc, sure its a little low...but think about it, that 150DoT could be what killed that mob. On a exp group, this weapon would own 24/7 haha i want one
I do play a level 65 Rogue and thought I'd chip in. The ratio and base damage are excellent, and the backstab mod is always a great thing. The proc is a pain though indeed. DoTs play havoc with mezzing and the heat blood line carries an unwanted amount of aggro.
Don't get me wrong, it is still very nice. It would be even nicer without the proc whatsoever though.
Don't get me wrong, it is still very nice. It would be even nicer without the proc whatsoever though.
39 posts
maybe this weapon was meant to be some what "cursed" like the glowing black sword or whatever that procs neutralize magic. because higher up, mezzing can be either life or death, and the proc is one that lasts, and has no real advantage in combat with its uber <200 damage.
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Posted: Feb 11 2003 at 4:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Irregardless this is DEFINITELY a SK weapon =P. I'd personally hope that any guild who gets this would find a rogue to give it to. I don't care if the first one who pops would be a level one idiot noob, just as long as it is not wasted on any other class.
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