Rune Etched Bamboo Bo
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Planes of Power14 posts
Lol, After DoN came out lots of this problem has been happening . . . People putting Aug's in items with "RECOMMENED LEVEL" on them - it also adds it to the item, I aquired this weapon on my monk at 63 and put a recommended level 65 aug in, and lost a damage point and a few stats until i dinged 65, you have been warned !
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My Guildmate 65 monk iksar has this weapon. First of all with equipment haste, plus bard haste this weapon hits so often. The weapon will cause monk to be tank a lot of the time, which means u get to use mend a lot! this weapon is flippin sweet!
i just got this weapon over this weekend its uber awesome, my max normal hit so far with it 337 without wunshis, i have the tripple attack AA monk gets to increase chance of hitting for a third strike. the hp/ac that it gives helps a lot. my dps increased with this about 30 or so DPS's from knuckleblade/inlaid claws. http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1154678
our raid force took out this guy fairly easy, did all 4 minis that day in about 3:30-4 hours at max, this guy dropped 2 of these, and there was 2 happy monks and one was me :)
our raid force took out this guy fairly easy, did all 4 minis that day in about 3:30-4 hours at max, this guy dropped 2 of these, and there was 2 happy monks and one was me :)
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9/19/04 Droped and I won ^.^
It Rocks
Eggfoo Yong 66 monk Rodcet
It Rocks
Eggfoo Yong 66 monk Rodcet
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Edited, Aug 7th 2017 5:31pm by Aorern
Edited, Aug 7th 2017 5:31pm by Aorern
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ok as a bst i would only bid on this on a guild raid if every monk present had one. at the moment i have a GSo4W for when i want to toy around with 2HB. dont get me wrong this item is uber nice and would be a nice upgrade, but a bst is much better suited to H2H weapons since its the only weapon skill we can get above 225.
now as for an open raid ill have the dice out against all you monks no questions asked =P
(and yes i realize this isnt new content its just my opinion, and if you dont agree feel free to call me names and such)
now as for an open raid ill have the dice out against all you monks no questions asked =P
(and yes i realize this isnt new content its just my opinion, and if you dont agree feel free to call me names and such)
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!! This weapon is evil. Look at that ratio, .666
to put some sense into this fourm.
1.) the proc is fire based
2.) its -300 resist counter
3.) having higher resist counter doesnt make it do dubble damage, who ever even thought of that should quit eq, its not a game of ideas.
4.) the way a proc does dubble damage is if it crits, only way for it to crit is if you get the proc crit aa's.
5.) the reason that it is resisted alot, well thats because you have just won the weapon, are still in sol ro ( the fricking fire temple of eq ) and you are mad because the FIRE proc on this is getting resisted? -300 resist counter is insane on mobs that arnt made out of it lmfao. try it elsewhere and it will hardly EVER get resisted unless the mobs made of fire, or rock ( most are immune to all procs, most golems in hate for example )
( i have a 63 beastlord, dont have a monk. and i think this should go to monks, they are all about meele dps, they cant do that without a good weapon....end of story.... only thing my beastlord will use is h2h because it has a higer cap, makes a big diference to your damage output. tho ive never killed jiva, when i do PASS. we can do damage with are spells and pets, slow and buff, heal and utilitys, and on top of it all we still meele hella well. )
1.) the proc is fire based
2.) its -300 resist counter
3.) having higher resist counter doesnt make it do dubble damage, who ever even thought of that should quit eq, its not a game of ideas.
4.) the way a proc does dubble damage is if it crits, only way for it to crit is if you get the proc crit aa's.
5.) the reason that it is resisted alot, well thats because you have just won the weapon, are still in sol ro ( the fricking fire temple of eq ) and you are mad because the FIRE proc on this is getting resisted? -300 resist counter is insane on mobs that arnt made out of it lmfao. try it elsewhere and it will hardly EVER get resisted unless the mobs made of fire, or rock ( most are immune to all procs, most golems in hate for example )
( i have a 63 beastlord, dont have a monk. and i think this should go to monks, they are all about meele dps, they cant do that without a good weapon....end of story.... only thing my beastlord will use is h2h because it has a higer cap, makes a big diference to your damage output. tho ive never killed jiva, when i do PASS. we can do damage with are spells and pets, slow and buff, heal and utilitys, and on top of it all we still meele hella well. )
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GS4W but its proc has a resist adjust of -300 and procs for 2x as much damage
learn to read context, I didn't say it proced for 2x damage becuase it has a -300 resist check I said it procs for twice as much as the GS4W proc.
Scholar
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Sup Vishish! Got this staff off guild raid on Jiva last night. Would you beleive that the dude dropped TWO for us? At first I was mad at the proc because the mobs in SolRo seemed very resistant to the poisoned based proc. Then I played with it elsewhere andwas suitably impressed that, while it does not quite proc as much as the greatstaff of the four winds I have, the proc dmg is twice as much and it still procs more than other weapons I have used.
Missmolly Goodgolly http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=542788
Tholuxe Paells
I like to hit things
Edited, Sat Jun 19 12:38:55 2004
Missmolly Goodgolly http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=542788
Tholuxe Paells
I like to hit things
Edited, Sat Jun 19 12:38:55 2004
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the REBB doesn't have a proc mod like the GS4W but its proc has a resist adjust of -300 and procs for 2x as much damage, the greatstaff has a 30% proc mod meaning, at 305 dex with no weapon affinity you would proc an average of 2.6 times per minute, the REBB would proc 2 times per minute. the REBB procs will land more often and for more damage, far better than gettting .6 more procs in 1 minute...
gsofw is still a very good weapon, even for monks and beastlords that have access to this. and besides, gsofw can be used by war/pal/sk/mnk/bst/rng , this cant.
oh and procs add about 5-10 to your overall dps for the ppl that are thinking procs are everything, they are nothing. ( unless ur using something like ethereal destroyed with a 800dd or what ever it is, thats dps, just better have the proc aa's becuse i think its -15% ) if ur going on weapons for their procs, get a proc that is useful, like a rune, or a spell reflector , eh...an ac or resist debuff. soloing the dd procs on weapons such as this are ok..but on a raid, they dont matter at all. ( spell reflection procs are the best, mirror 3 i think it is has a 15% chance to reflect spells back at the mob, might just be me but when a pop+ mob casts a 500 dpT and -200 to all resist debuff on you, would really kick *** to put that back onto him, or that of the astral giant in bot { cant remember his name } but he casts a 80 or is it 90% slow, lol talk about a fight ending right there.)
not sure if all of those work, but they are just examples, im sure there are tons of stuff that it can reflect.
Edited, Tue Jun 22 13:42:53 2004
oh and procs add about 5-10 to your overall dps for the ppl that are thinking procs are everything, they are nothing. ( unless ur using something like ethereal destroyed with a 800dd or what ever it is, thats dps, just better have the proc aa's becuse i think its -15% ) if ur going on weapons for their procs, get a proc that is useful, like a rune, or a spell reflector , eh...an ac or resist debuff. soloing the dd procs on weapons such as this are ok..but on a raid, they dont matter at all. ( spell reflection procs are the best, mirror 3 i think it is has a 15% chance to reflect spells back at the mob, might just be me but when a pop+ mob casts a 500 dpT and -200 to all resist debuff on you, would really kick *** to put that back onto him, or that of the astral giant in bot { cant remember his name } but he casts a 80 or is it 90% slow, lol talk about a fight ending right there.)
not sure if all of those work, but they are just examples, im sure there are tons of stuff that it can reflect.
Edited, Tue Jun 22 13:42:53 2004
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Not even going to touch the Monk VS BST argument, but a few of my friends have gotten thier hands on one and said < With limited testing mind you > that the proc is resisted alot. I just got Sol Ro Tower access tonight and will be up for one of these very soon. I am trying to find out if the proc on this has a high/average/low resist rate in a common EXP group?
My friends have had little chance to see for themselves because most of thier time is spent pulling hehe.
Will check back in a few days...
Oh and to the Monk VS BST, it dosent matter, as long as the one using it will help your Guild Raid or group. ;)
My friends have had little chance to see for themselves because most of thier time is spent pulling hehe.
Will check back in a few days...
Oh and to the Monk VS BST, it dosent matter, as long as the one using it will help your Guild Raid or group. ;)
45 posts
Biggest hit to Date with this thing is a < 903 > Innerflame Crit in PoEarth .. Bst / Monk . I Could care less .. Great weapon , Great DPS ..
Sensei Gorereaper Banebringer
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=965963
Sensei Gorereaper Banebringer
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=965963
aye that is the higest possible, seen it on a few monks....
46 posts
I got this about 2 weeks back and it was an upgrade form my AD staff. This thing can pump out some awsome dps. Im using 41% haste with CCoM+Speed of Vallon+Bard haste and i can be hiting for 300 a pop realy fast. Im a BL so me doubling for 300 ever 4 hits+ my pet + dots+ nukes and i can crank some mad dps
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hmm guess it's too bad that rebb maxes out at 288, and not 300. maybe you're talking about the wrong weapon?
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Posted: Sep 11 2003 at 1:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) any idea iof the runes it spits mean anything?
They are there to distract the mob while you wack them in the head many many times =P.
Hello,
My name is Vishish Bloodshedder on TP server my guild Eternal Sovereign has killed Jiva 3 times every time he droped this staff I was happy when I spent 6dkp on it worth it imho people say o its to fast low dmg bonus....those are the same people who will never get one I almost never hit for min dmg average is about 190 best hit yet 649 with innerflame very fast SoV helps even more i love it procs alot agro is a problem just fd and yull be gtg I love it ez to get if u have the flags <3 groups own this guy> anyway letting you know this is good staff dont listen to people who try to say this is overated its very nice and i dont think its worth upgreading till PoTime
Vishish Bloodshedder
My name is Vishish Bloodshedder on TP server my guild Eternal Sovereign has killed Jiva 3 times every time he droped this staff I was happy when I spent 6dkp on it worth it imho people say o its to fast low dmg bonus....those are the same people who will never get one I almost never hit for min dmg average is about 190 best hit yet 649 with innerflame very fast SoV helps even more i love it procs alot agro is a problem just fd and yull be gtg I love it ez to get if u have the flags <3 groups own this guy> anyway letting you know this is good staff dont listen to people who try to say this is overated its very nice and i dont think its worth upgreading till PoTime
Vishish Bloodshedder
yep nice Staff, im hoping to get one in the next few weeks.
Obviously a great staff for a Monk, but it is very sweet in the hands of a Beastlord also.
A Monk has a 48% better chance to DA and with the AAs has a "chance" to Triple.
An average Beastlord that has a chance to aquire this weapon may not get as many DAs and no triples, but your average Beastlord will have MUCH higher Atk of over 2000Atk.
In a raid situation I quite often have a shaman & bard readily available so with the ever present SOP/Ferine Avatar/SV/Bard song/Ferocity/FOS.etc im currently almost always over 2100Atk and higher even with 2HB.
With your Atk over 1800 or so, the difference of 2Hb skill between Monk & Beast (225 Beast...252Monk) is completely moot and makes no dif at all.
The extra 27 skill adds very little to a Monks Atk rating.
With Atk @ over 2000 i miss alot less and my battle spam rivals that of any Monk with 1500 or so Atk,(which i find to be about the norm) My pet quading for 77, bashing for 28, procing for 155DD easily makes up for the 48% better chance to DA & ocaisional triple atk and then some.
My average hit is well over 200 (with a Greatstaff of the Fourwinds)my proc crits quite often also which with the REBB would be 300DD.
I can also make full use of that +15Wis 140mana
So this is really just as nice & viable a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk.
Edited, Sun Sep 28 10:51:58 2003
Obviously a great staff for a Monk, but it is very sweet in the hands of a Beastlord also.
A Monk has a 48% better chance to DA and with the AAs has a "chance" to Triple.
An average Beastlord that has a chance to aquire this weapon may not get as many DAs and no triples, but your average Beastlord will have MUCH higher Atk of over 2000Atk.
In a raid situation I quite often have a shaman & bard readily available so with the ever present SOP/Ferine Avatar/SV/Bard song/Ferocity/FOS.etc im currently almost always over 2100Atk and higher even with 2HB.
With your Atk over 1800 or so, the difference of 2Hb skill between Monk & Beast (225 Beast...252Monk) is completely moot and makes no dif at all.
The extra 27 skill adds very little to a Monks Atk rating.
With Atk @ over 2000 i miss alot less and my battle spam rivals that of any Monk with 1500 or so Atk,(which i find to be about the norm) My pet quading for 77, bashing for 28, procing for 155DD easily makes up for the 48% better chance to DA & ocaisional triple atk and then some.
My average hit is well over 200 (with a Greatstaff of the Fourwinds)my proc crits quite often also which with the REBB would be 300DD.
I can also make full use of that +15Wis 140mana
So this is really just as nice & viable a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk.
Edited, Sun Sep 28 10:51:58 2003
#REDACTED,
Posted: Nov 25 2003 at 4:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OMG people are stupid. I really get tired of reading all the posts on what class is better on all of the eq sites. When i come here to look at weapons and armors, and god forbid i get some real feedback on the improvements some fools go off on the old debate on what class is better. The magi has the best pet. NO the Beastlord does. Well im a druid and I suck. <--- that part is obvious. For all the people who must solo to have fun in a game your retarted. Groups is where the fun in this game is, and where all the good xp, gear comes from. You can farm all ya want but you will never get the really good gear like you would in a raid or even in a decent group. Ok i just lost track of what im trying to say, EVERY class has their good points and there drawbacks there is no BEST class in the game, because if there were there would only be that one class. This is a GOOD 2hb regardless of who is using it nothing more.
wtf richardhead he very clearly said it's a great weapon for both monk and bst
Monks get an innate chance to triple for dinging level 60. With Punishing Blade AA they have a chance to Quad.
I won't agrue that BST have DPS because they do. But Since a Monk has 250 skill cap on 2HB + a chance to quad you better get in line to recieve this 2hb if you're guild is smart.
I won't agrue that BST have DPS because they do. But Since a Monk has 250 skill cap on 2HB + a chance to quad you better get in line to recieve this 2hb if you're guild is smart.
I should say that monks have a 252 skill cap, my bad.
you are aware i assume that the "skill" cap basically does nothing but raise your "Atk" right?
Raid buffed im rarely below 2000Atk.
So far ive yet to met a Monk with an Atk rating over 1800.
The Monks 252 skill cap therefore means ZILTCH.
Yes the Monk has a chance to triple or even quad, so what.
A Beast will still end up doing about the same amount of damage overall anyway, possibly more under the right conditions.
The double/triple/quad attack margin is far too high for ~200 in atk to make up.
Im not saying that my higher Atk "makes up" for any triple/quad hits, just that there is'nt really any difference between a Beast 225 vs Monks 252 skill cap since a Beast on average will have a much higher Atk rating anyway.
Adding in my Pet to the damage equation and your looking real close to the same DPS, Monk might still be ahead very slightly, add in my spells and Beast would do more DPS.
Yes a Monk will do greater damage with "just" the weapon obviously, (esp a 2HB) but discounting a beast Pet or spells and esp both is sorta pointless, be like taking a rogues secondary weapon away and replace it with a stien, or take a Monks kicks away, strip a Wiz of 1/2 their spellbook, take a Rangers Bow away, etc..
Our Pet is litterly 1/2 our char and makes up a solid 1/3 of our melee DPS
Edited, Fri Oct 31 11:57:48 2003
Raid buffed im rarely below 2000Atk.
So far ive yet to met a Monk with an Atk rating over 1800.
The Monks 252 skill cap therefore means ZILTCH.
Yes the Monk has a chance to triple or even quad, so what.
A Beast will still end up doing about the same amount of damage overall anyway, possibly more under the right conditions.
The double/triple/quad attack margin is far too high for ~200 in atk to make up.
Im not saying that my higher Atk "makes up" for any triple/quad hits, just that there is'nt really any difference between a Beast 225 vs Monks 252 skill cap since a Beast on average will have a much higher Atk rating anyway.
Adding in my Pet to the damage equation and your looking real close to the same DPS, Monk might still be ahead very slightly, add in my spells and Beast would do more DPS.
Yes a Monk will do greater damage with "just" the weapon obviously, (esp a 2HB) but discounting a beast Pet or spells and esp both is sorta pointless, be like taking a rogues secondary weapon away and replace it with a stien, or take a Monks kicks away, strip a Wiz of 1/2 their spellbook, take a Rangers Bow away, etc..
Our Pet is litterly 1/2 our char and makes up a solid 1/3 of our melee DPS
Edited, Fri Oct 31 11:57:48 2003
Ok im sorry but as a Ranger in Higher end Raiding we tend to do more Melee than archery... i hardley use my bow anymore unless im feeling kinda out of it and just want to /autofire and go eat something or if we're fighting a mob that you need to range like the one on the way to Agnaar... but i agree that this should go to a monk first since they get better DPS out of it... getting this as a Bst wont make your pet hit any harder, and you dont get triples and quads. Plus i know MANY a monks with over 1800 atk... as a matter of fact i know a 56 monk with about 1900 or so from last inspect of her(forget her name but will edit when i remember). Dont forget that Monks also get much better DPS by using Disciplines like Whirlwind which Ripostes(i think) every incomming atk... get a mob that cant be slowed and get a monk or 2 up there let monk 1 use disc then when its done FD and monk 2 use disc and let MT take over the Tanking by FDing :) that is if your in a guild like Magister where monks have 13k+ hp unbuffed and 2200+ac =\ all i know is if i where in a guild that raids this guy and a BL got dibs before me and i was a monk i would be very... upset. End Flame.
Sorry for Double Post
Edited, Thu Sep 15 02:36:13 2005
Edited, Thu Sep 15 02:36:13 2005
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A monk will always out damage a beastlord in pure melee. The double/triple/quad attack margin is far too high for ~200 in atk to make up. More swings / sec = more damage / sec, plain and simple. Even adding in the pet, alot of monks still out damage beastlords. Another thing, while any beastlord in a guild able to get this weapon deserves to have it, I'm of the opinion that h2h dual wielding is better for beastlords. Because, yes the skill cap is higher, and because generally you will get better stats with 2 weapons wielded, meaning more mana and wisdom. Once again, I'm not saying a beastlord shouldn't have this, but a Monk would do much greater damage with it.
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uhmm no.
I have a 65 bst, all Melee stats/aa's maxed, I've gone toe to toe with bsts with these, and I cream them in DPS.
They are nice to have for a bst no doubt, but to say a bst does as well as a monk *overall* is a silly arguement, because a bst will do much better with 2 high end h2h weapons.
my point is, why try to do "as much" damage as a monk, when with 2 h2h weapons you can do more.
Edited, Thu Sep 4 18:09:12 2003
I have a 65 bst, all Melee stats/aa's maxed, I've gone toe to toe with bsts with these, and I cream them in DPS.
They are nice to have for a bst no doubt, but to say a bst does as well as a monk *overall* is a silly arguement, because a bst will do much better with 2 high end h2h weapons.
my point is, why try to do "as much" damage as a monk, when with 2 h2h weapons you can do more.
Edited, Thu Sep 4 18:09:12 2003
"Cream them in DPS" I seriously doubt.
Unless your definition of cream is doing maybe 5-30DPS more depending on Mob.
With a GotF (41/31) im doing about 150-210+DPS would do lil better with this staff. probably 160-220+
Most Monks i know are doing about 190-210DPS with this REBB.
Monks have less variation in their DPS since they dont have to contend with Pets/positioning of/when to use/if can use..
Spells/IF you can use(aggro)/if they stick due to high resist etc.
IF you have done alot better than a Beastlord with this weapon only means your talking about a mob where pet wasnt used &or was highly resistant.
On a Mob where i can use my Pet & isnt highly cold resistant you as a Monk would be lucky to do as much damage let alone so much more as to think of it as "creamed".
Yes I would do slightly better DPS with high end H2H weapons.
BUT not All Beastlords have high end H2H weapons since they usually go to Monks first which is BS.
We Beastlords are religated to take what we can get when we can get it.
Plus a good 2HB is nice to have, as a Beastlord in most instances i have to tone down my atk alot already so i dont get aggro away from the MT.
H2H weapons are much higher aggro than 2HB and only means i have to tone down my atk even more.
I actually find in most cases i do about the same DPS on raids and such with 2HB as i do with H2H since the 2HB causes less aggro i can keep pounding and cast a few extra spells without getting aggro, so works out about the same in the end
2HB is nice also for when i want to tank because of less reposte while still doing good DPS.
So nothing "silly" about it. this is just as viable and usefull a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk. even though a Monk can possibly do slightly more DPS with it on certain Mobs.
and whats wrong with doing "as much" damage as a Monk?
Edited, Sat Sep 6 11:22:12 2003
Unless your definition of cream is doing maybe 5-30DPS more depending on Mob.
With a GotF (41/31) im doing about 150-210+DPS would do lil better with this staff. probably 160-220+
Most Monks i know are doing about 190-210DPS with this REBB.
Monks have less variation in their DPS since they dont have to contend with Pets/positioning of/when to use/if can use..
Spells/IF you can use(aggro)/if they stick due to high resist etc.
IF you have done alot better than a Beastlord with this weapon only means your talking about a mob where pet wasnt used &or was highly resistant.
On a Mob where i can use my Pet & isnt highly cold resistant you as a Monk would be lucky to do as much damage let alone so much more as to think of it as "creamed".
Yes I would do slightly better DPS with high end H2H weapons.
BUT not All Beastlords have high end H2H weapons since they usually go to Monks first which is BS.
We Beastlords are religated to take what we can get when we can get it.
Plus a good 2HB is nice to have, as a Beastlord in most instances i have to tone down my atk alot already so i dont get aggro away from the MT.
H2H weapons are much higher aggro than 2HB and only means i have to tone down my atk even more.
I actually find in most cases i do about the same DPS on raids and such with 2HB as i do with H2H since the 2HB causes less aggro i can keep pounding and cast a few extra spells without getting aggro, so works out about the same in the end
2HB is nice also for when i want to tank because of less reposte while still doing good DPS.
So nothing "silly" about it. this is just as viable and usefull a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk. even though a Monk can possibly do slightly more DPS with it on certain Mobs.
and whats wrong with doing "as much" damage as a Monk?
Edited, Sat Sep 6 11:22:12 2003
22 posts
Uhh, weapons goto monks first.. #1, because monks cannot nuke, slow, use a pet, and heal (aside from BW + Mend). So, imho why argue about who it "needs" to goto, vs. who it DOES goto?
Overall, ratio 0.666 (LOL) Very nice weapon, mob isn't too bad, 3-4 groupable.. and about resists, make sure you're not testing it in ro, considering the mob SvF.. Good luck, and grats on whoever gets this beute.
Overall, ratio 0.666 (LOL) Very nice weapon, mob isn't too bad, 3-4 groupable.. and about resists, make sure you're not testing it in ro, considering the mob SvF.. Good luck, and grats on whoever gets this beute.
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my beast would still kick your monks ***
The point on BST vs. MNK here is not the total DPS you do, but the total DPS that comes from your weapon. I parse everything. A BST with gs4w (what you have now) will do about 30-40 dps from the weapon, about another 40-60 dps from the pet, and another 20-40 dps from spells. This is for an elemental-planes equiped BST. Total of about 140 dps at best.
A MNK with gs4w does about 100-120 dps from the weapon and about another 10-20 from special attacks. Total of about 140 dps at best.
This isn't to argue about total dps -- different parses by different people will show different totals. I'm showing my totals to provide a basis for comparing bst/mnk dps and eliminate the person parsing as a variable rather than to argue with your totals. What it does show, though, is that at best, a BST gets about 1/3 of his dps from the weapon. A MNK gets about 90% of his dps from the weapon.
So, upgrading a BST's weapon over upgrading a MNK's weapon upgrades your guild's dps by 1/3 the dps you could have upgraded it if you gave it to a MNK. In general, this is why MNKs are often given first shot at any weapon they want over a BST, whether that's 1H or 2H. Weapons do more for MNKs than they do for BSTs and thus do more for the raid in the hands of a MNK than a BST. Whether this is a fair method to use for item awards or not is a topic I want to comment on -- but there's no denying that weapon utility is maxized in the hands of a monk.
Edited, Fri Sep 26 17:52:24 2003
A MNK with gs4w does about 100-120 dps from the weapon and about another 10-20 from special attacks. Total of about 140 dps at best.
This isn't to argue about total dps -- different parses by different people will show different totals. I'm showing my totals to provide a basis for comparing bst/mnk dps and eliminate the person parsing as a variable rather than to argue with your totals. What it does show, though, is that at best, a BST gets about 1/3 of his dps from the weapon. A MNK gets about 90% of his dps from the weapon.
So, upgrading a BST's weapon over upgrading a MNK's weapon upgrades your guild's dps by 1/3 the dps you could have upgraded it if you gave it to a MNK. In general, this is why MNKs are often given first shot at any weapon they want over a BST, whether that's 1H or 2H. Weapons do more for MNKs than they do for BSTs and thus do more for the raid in the hands of a MNK than a BST. Whether this is a fair method to use for item awards or not is a topic I want to comment on -- but there's no denying that weapon utility is maxized in the hands of a monk.
Edited, Fri Sep 26 17:52:24 2003
well first off your "parses" are WAY off.
With the Greatstaff i do on average anywhere from 70-110DPS with just my melee ONLY no spells no pet no nothing so 30-40 is not even close.
I get roughly about 1/2(+) my DPS from weapon.(and times that i cant use pet then over 3/4 DPS from weapon and times Mob is very highly Cold resistant 100% of my DPS comes from weapon etc)
Pet is pretty steady 50-60+, spells anywhere from 0-50 so ill do anywhere from as little as 70 up to 210+DPS depending on Mob.
The ONLY advantage the Monk has is on average he has much less variation, i may do 70-210 he would do 140-180.
Course when im only doing 70 or so is when im burning mana Slowing/Debuffing Mob and Buffing/Healing casting Ferocity & Savagery on whomever needs etc, thats where the WIS & Mana come in on weapon.
But leaving all that aside, your right the Monk will get slightly more from a weapon upgrade than a Beast, personally that dont mean **** to me.
I have every bit as much right to get and to use that weapon as a Monk does period.
I have every right to a weapon upgrade also just as much as any Monk, and should be equally considered.
and unless either beast or Monk is flailing away with a couple of splintered clubs they got off a dead Orc pawn then your not going to be technically "upgrading your guilds DPS" by more than a whooping grand total of just a few DPS no matter whom you give it to, so thats moot.
Lets just say for instance myself and a Monk each are using a Greatstaff and this drops.
No matter whom gets it your only talking probably 5-15DPS (Bst)maybe 10-20DPS (Mnk) tops in difference between the 2 weapons for either Monk or Beast. 41/31 to 42/28 plus a better proc.
So Monk might do just a few DPS more BUT
At least as a Beast i can use ALL the stats and +15Wis and 140Mana wont go to waste which easily makes up for the few DPS the Monk might squeeze out of the weapon, so really its basically a wash, we both do approx the same DPS with the weapon regardless, and both should be equally considered.
Especially if your talking about a "elemental equiped" Beast or Monk because at that point the difference between the Monks 252 2HB skill and the Beast 225 2HB skill makes no difference at all because as a general rule the Beast will almost without exception have a much higher ATK rating anyway, fully raid buffed im pushing over 2100Atk regularly, even with 2HB
I've never seen a Monk with an Atk over 1700 raid buffed
Edited, Tue Sep 30 08:25:59 2003
With the Greatstaff i do on average anywhere from 70-110DPS with just my melee ONLY no spells no pet no nothing so 30-40 is not even close.
I get roughly about 1/2(+) my DPS from weapon.(and times that i cant use pet then over 3/4 DPS from weapon and times Mob is very highly Cold resistant 100% of my DPS comes from weapon etc)
Pet is pretty steady 50-60+, spells anywhere from 0-50 so ill do anywhere from as little as 70 up to 210+DPS depending on Mob.
The ONLY advantage the Monk has is on average he has much less variation, i may do 70-210 he would do 140-180.
Course when im only doing 70 or so is when im burning mana Slowing/Debuffing Mob and Buffing/Healing casting Ferocity & Savagery on whomever needs etc, thats where the WIS & Mana come in on weapon.
But leaving all that aside, your right the Monk will get slightly more from a weapon upgrade than a Beast, personally that dont mean **** to me.
I have every bit as much right to get and to use that weapon as a Monk does period.
I have every right to a weapon upgrade also just as much as any Monk, and should be equally considered.
and unless either beast or Monk is flailing away with a couple of splintered clubs they got off a dead Orc pawn then your not going to be technically "upgrading your guilds DPS" by more than a whooping grand total of just a few DPS no matter whom you give it to, so thats moot.
Lets just say for instance myself and a Monk each are using a Greatstaff and this drops.
No matter whom gets it your only talking probably 5-15DPS (Bst)maybe 10-20DPS (Mnk) tops in difference between the 2 weapons for either Monk or Beast. 41/31 to 42/28 plus a better proc.
So Monk might do just a few DPS more BUT
At least as a Beast i can use ALL the stats and +15Wis and 140Mana wont go to waste which easily makes up for the few DPS the Monk might squeeze out of the weapon, so really its basically a wash, we both do approx the same DPS with the weapon regardless, and both should be equally considered.
Especially if your talking about a "elemental equiped" Beast or Monk because at that point the difference between the Monks 252 2HB skill and the Beast 225 2HB skill makes no difference at all because as a general rule the Beast will almost without exception have a much higher ATK rating anyway, fully raid buffed im pushing over 2100Atk regularly, even with 2HB
I've never seen a Monk with an Atk over 1700 raid buffed
Edited, Tue Sep 30 08:25:59 2003
Nunya, its terrific how you have posted 3-4 times in this thread rephrasing the same thing you said in the first one. A monk will outdamage a beastord with this weapon, period. And the "I've net to meet a monk with over 1700 atk, is bs" I hit 1800 with just FA, and break 2k atk easy with ferocity + FA. This staff is best in a monks hands, period.
Edited, Sat Sep 6 10:52:49 2003
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actually....28+ is dmg bonus like it's a 2 hander, anything below that get's the kick in the pants of being treated like a one hander. For that reason, this is a good wep.
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Posted: Jul 17 2003 at 12:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Heh, it says f'ing beast on it too. They are friggen promoting beast 2hb not monk 2hb.
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I realize you cant add proc into DPS directly because its fairly random but damn, monk with reasonable dex will prob proc like crazy with this thing added quite abit of damage.
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Beautiful new weapon. Most of us will never get to use one. Nearly as many will never get to see someone use one. How about some lucky sap who has one of these at their disposal take a screen shot and post a link for us to drool over. I'm curious to see what the graphic looks like and the neat particle effect. C'mon, don't make me beg already.
the graphic on this thing rocks. i need to get myself a wand or something with a particle effect of floating question marks, cause i never know wtf is going on =P
Rofl me too $
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Posted: Jan 09 2003 at 6:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just a bamboo pole dude, but really...why the hell do all the monks get weapons with aggro procs and beautiful ratios? ...what a waste.
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Agro procs only kill the n00bs. I use a Tranquil Staff atm as a 61 Monk. Proc gets me agro when I want it, at 1300ac I can tank ( even after the supposed nerf ). We have a hotkey that lets of Feign Death. Drops agro quite easily, and with FD 3 I can do it every 5 seconds. I fail about 1 in 50 times. So agro isn't a big deal. I get it when I want it and I lose it when I don't want it. the proc just adds to my DPS
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Actually the parsed fail rate of a maxed FD skill monk is 5%. So you fail 1 in 20 times, not 50.
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SoE "let it slip" that different zones have different fail rates. Parses will reflect that.
This is bigger then the 33/20 one i looked at earlier, wonder which would be better?
The 33/20 weapon will have less DPS than this one because I believe that 2 handed damage is significantly decreased on weapons with a delay below 28. I'd say that this is currently the best 2hb in the game in terms of sheer DPS, and then had the proc to throw in on top of it...
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Posted: Dec 13 2002 at 3:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's all in the math. Divide the damage by the delay. The higher the quotient the better the weapon. Example: This staff (42/28) 42 divided by 28 = 1.5 Now this other staff you referred to (33/20) 33 divided by 20 = 1.35 Therefore 1.5 > 1.35 = This staff better than other staff :P As far as stats and effect goes.. well that boils down to judgement calls and a personal preference, but as a monk I'm a firm believer in DPS. Hope this helps some folks.
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little side note, something i found out recently, the dmg bonus you see on weapons is only calculated into your hits IF your ATK rateing is below a certain amount, if your atk value exceeds this limit (of which i have yet to find out) your dmg is based on your atk and dmg bonus is not uncluded.
go ahead and flame, but while on a multi group hunt for an epic peice recently my beastlord had close on 1500 atk thanks to a rng, with hands weapons (sheet metal ulak/yeken's katar) i was hitting for around 80's, 2 weeks later with better armour, same weapons, and around 1250 atk i was hitting for 50's to 70's, my melee stats in both cases were max at 255 str, sta, agi, dex, so the only diff in the end result is the rng atk buffs
go ahead and flame, but while on a multi group hunt for an epic peice recently my beastlord had close on 1500 atk thanks to a rng, with hands weapons (sheet metal ulak/yeken's katar) i was hitting for around 80's, 2 weeks later with better armour, same weapons, and around 1250 atk i was hitting for 50's to 70's, my melee stats in both cases were max at 255 str, sta, agi, dex, so the only diff in the end result is the rng atk buffs
Your math is wrong. Any weapon with a delay lower than 28 loses half of its damage bonus, which means a significant loss of DPS.
The best way to figure how good a weapon is (DPS wise), is to use the following formula;
Modal Damage = (2xDamage) + Damage Bonus
Weapon Ratio = Modal Damage/Delay
This weapon ratio has a linear relationship with DPS. IE > This is the correct way to evaluate weapons.
The best way to figure how good a weapon is (DPS wise), is to use the following formula;
Modal Damage = (2xDamage) + Damage Bonus
Weapon Ratio = Modal Damage/Delay
This weapon ratio has a linear relationship with DPS. IE > This is the correct way to evaluate weapons.
I'm not going to get into which weapon is better but I'll add that this weapon does a nice job in increasing a monk's DPS. I parsed a monk before getting this weapon and he was averaging generally 100 110 DPS using two hand to hand weapons (15-18, 15-19). With this weapon, it jumps to 140 150 DPS (did not train punishing blade at the time of the parse) not including the procs (since my parser doesn't pick up his proc damage). Max hit seems to be 288 without a crit.
Even with a warrior wielding one or two EB items, this weapon can drag some aggro. Nice weapon overall.
Even with a warrior wielding one or two EB items, this weapon can drag some aggro. Nice weapon overall.
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You are not taking into account the varied damage bonus. A slower delay weapon has a higher damage bonus- you can see this in the bazaar shopping for 2hb weapons. The weapon will display what your damage bonus will be with that weapon.
Personally, if I am using a 2hb weapon, it is likely because I *don't* want aggro. Otherwise a pair of 1hb/HTH weapons will be my choice.
And the previous poster is right, every time we FD flop it takes away from our DPS. My flop takes about a second- with my current weapons and haste that's about .6 of a full round of combat. It is much better to never get the aggro in the first place.
~Wasain Kurasawa
51st Disciple of Drinal
Personally, if I am using a 2hb weapon, it is likely because I *don't* want aggro. Otherwise a pair of 1hb/HTH weapons will be my choice.
And the previous poster is right, every time we FD flop it takes away from our DPS. My flop takes about a second- with my current weapons and haste that's about .6 of a full round of combat. It is much better to never get the aggro in the first place.
~Wasain Kurasawa
51st Disciple of Drinal
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DPS vs aggro, yes a monk can FD but he loses time that way and therefor overall DPS, on a near push most monks I know prefer the higher delay weapon as their dps is about the same but their aggro is less. A 20 delay weapon is FAST, have fun falling down alot and lowering your DPS
Actually 33/20 is 1.65...
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Heh...it's comments like that, that bring back memories of Handi-man on 'in living color'. Anyway this weapon doesn't have as good a ratio as the Mithril Shod Staff you are referring to. Yes thats the name...I know you just forgot it. This does however have a DD proc that the MSS doesn't. If you have a hankerin for a procing weapon because you want to get aa's in Ingenuity so you crit your procs, then by all means this staff is better. If you're like me and think that 2hb is hard to justify due to the high delay and chance to miss, then the MSS is the better weapon. Let me explain. Most 2hb's are slower than h2h and 1hb. If you miss on a melee round it's agonizing. So...ideally a 2hb with a low delay is most desireable. Hence the old school RFS. The MSS being low delay...aa's in Ferocity and Punishing Blade just may be the equalizer to 1hb and h2h weapons. Only thing is...there is more stats on twin h2h or 1hb weapons than just one 2hb. VI has failed to make 2hb seem worth it yet.
WHne figuring DPS you don't add in procs. They're unreliable. Also this 2HB will probably have a slightly higher DMG bonus. IMO Sony is pushing the monk to 2HB, I guarenty you will not match this damage with a pair of 1HB/h2h unless they aproach 1:1 damage/delay ratio
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With haste cap = 42damage +150dd proc 14 delay or slightly lower. I bet its really insane damage with tripple attack, and to top it all off: more damage with all them nifty AA skills. 305 dex will make this weapon really shine.
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This staff has a partical effect. Looks like a bunch of gold rune type letters floating around the end of the bo.
The ratio is .666 right next to that it says Godly, I know it's the rating but just funny the way that works out.
42 / 28 ? am i reading this right? almost ALMOST too good to believe possible.....i mean....DAMN.
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Posted: Nov 21 2002 at 8:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) typo in delay and ratio, delay is 28 and ratio is 0.666667 (rounded up, is continuous)just thought that would help some people out, WAY nice item, makes me want to make a monk
EPIC in it's nature for either class.
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Typo, delay is 28 in the pic
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