Dirk of the Ravaging Wind  

 

And for those who think I'm creating an impossible scenario, barely above average melees will do about the dps mentioned, and the songs needed to create the above effects are a whopping 3.

Psalm of Veeshan
Warsong of Zek
Call of the Muse

Toss in a Wind of Marr and you're also giving massive mana/hp regen. I wont even calculate the massive dps increase of call of the muse, for fear of vomiting.

I dunno about that. I was the tank and was 45 at the time. The other melee was a rogue. I twisted both my Tuyen's (fire and disease) and Fufil's Curtailing Chant. For a whopping 88 a tic while meleeing myself. I never had a problem with aggro.

with zek and epic proc i hit 1450 atk unbuffed, i dont have any ornate or vt gear, im not elem flagged nor have any elem loot (from tagging along with raids), i do have max str some attack bonuses on gear and some augs, but its not hard to get a bard to 1400 atk self buffed...havng said that, i still miss more than i hit at time (max dex). bard out dmg another melee, all things being equal, no. but a bard bring haste DS focus and regen to a group that everyone knows they want. i dont duel a melee toe to toe, i mez debuff, mana tap and atack from behind...then mez again. I have a very hard time getting agro (if i wanted it) because bards inately generate less...i can if i have my songs lined up for it, though. twisting dots in a group is about a waste of time 99% of the time. your not going to get the full dmg you would with a instrument equiped and resists add ZERO dps, twisteing buffs (ahh, buffs are unresistable...) usually show a better result. IMO bards are a meleeing support class, we make everyone else perform better, hit harder and regen faster...while adding some dmg

I agree with Kroyd... Amoxacilla, you are quite shortsighted. DPS or not, if you are counting the amount of DPS a bard adds to a raid then not only do you have to take into account how much DPS the bard is doing with melee... but also with his songs.

Here is a perfect example:

My guild does our raiding with an average of 3 groups. Consequently, we try very hard to maximize the DPS we get out of the few people we have. Damage shields are one of the biggest factors in our ability to take out tier 1 and 2 bosses in PoP.

Consider: One of our guild mages sent me the following information -
Steppy, the basic calc is this:

X = (B/A+0.25)*C

X = DPS
A = mob delay
B = 1 for normal, 2 for double hits, 3 for triple, etc.
0.25 = rough number of secondary melee hits per second (kick, bash, slam, etc.)
C = points of DS on tank

So if our theoretical quading mob has a delay of 16 and we've got just 45 pts of DS (mage DS) then:

X = (4/1.6+0.2)*45
X = 2.7*45
DPS = 121.5

Which is 7,290 hps per minute of combat or 72,900hp for a 10min fight.

Now, that is for the 45 pt DS mages get at level 62. I am level 63 and with Warsong of Zek, Psalm of Veeshan, and puretone, my DS is 75 pts. A DS potion gives out main tank 31 pts and Mark of Karn is another 15. Total DS from that is 166. Plug that into the formula and you get a total of:

448.2 damage per second from DPS. Or almost 270,000 HP during a 10 minute fight. Note - these are maximums since the mob isn't going to quad every single hit, but there will still be a high percentage of quads in most boss battles.

More than 2 rogues' worth of damage output. Even if you slow the mob to a delay of 28, the damage shield is still at least as powerful as having another high DPS melee in your raid. This is why there is always a bard grouped with the main tanks. Always.

So, as you can see, using the formula above, a lvl 63 bard alone without using purtone can manage around a 65+ pt DS depending on equipment and create an additional 175 DPS for the MT.

What I'm trying to say here, is that this game is a team effort. Each persons skills compliments the others. That bard DS would be useless if the tank didn't have enough hp's to stand in front of a PoP boss mob. That tank would be worthless if the cleric chain is non-existant. Stop whining about who can do the most damage. Look at the facts, and realize this is a game based upon the synergy of all the classes together.

you are a bit shortsitted.

1. rangers are a duel weilding class that does nto mean that they have to.

2. Rangers also get a AAXP that gives then tripple attk with 2handers. Dont Pigion hole a ranger to duel weild, and let them have acces to other haste items other than Epics, and some of the nice 2handers out there.

3. Rangers generally have 500-1500 more attk than a simalarly equiped Warior. Weather from spells ect.

4. Rangers are a melee class. Yes they can use a Bow, and some stunning eye candy is seen with them, but is proven time ad time again that it is situatinal and 90% of time that same ranger does more DPS in melee. Go to the rangers glade and do a bit of reading.

Not a flame just to correct what you dont know about Rangers and to educate you. With knowlage you can do beter and be a better MT( it sounds like you may be one of a smaller guild, i dont know, but GL to you)

BTW beast lords also outdammage Wariors ( you seem to not want to include pets but that is ok too I geuss)

Yes but how much do you contribute to the damage and health of a group compared to a bard?

Okay, stop using caps-lock, first off. (Unless, of course, that's your 1st grade education.) Second, rogues don't get weapons with over 16 dmg, because of their Backstab skill.

Now, I can't remember the exact numbers right off, but a rogue can backstab for well into the multiples of thousand. That puts them into the range of casters for Direct Damage spells. Then add in the melee damage they do, along with the backstabs. That is a LOT of damage.

So please, take your "intelligent" questions elsewhere.

Edited, Fri Nov 8 19:07:57 2002