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Sentinel's Shoulder Plates  

AC: 10
STR: +8 STA: +8 WIS: +5 INT: +5 HP: +50 MANA: +35 ENDUR: +35
Recommended level of 50.
WT: 1.0 Size: MEDIUM
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Armor
Lucy Entry By:Kerasota
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
IC Last Updated:2020-11-24 04:33:36
Page Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008
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Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 60

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ranger got it
# Apr 17 2003 at 8:19 AM Rating: Default
did 4 trials of the 6 that round, was helping the necro get her pov/pov flag and since exe was so easy we said what the heck lets do more.

group was ranger , cleric , bard , rogue (me) , necro , wizard

did exe, stoning, hanging, torture and then failed once on lashing cuz i and wizard were unsure on what to do.

ranger and i rolled on it, she won and then gave it to me 2 weeks later when she got an upgrade.
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 17 2003 at 8:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) oh and ranger can tank just fine, given he canīt tank everything but he can tank xp stuff up to BoT at least.
ranger compared to tank
# Jan 07 2003 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
i would like to comment on being a ranger. We are not tanks we take way to much damage to be a good tank in pop. I am lvl 56 with 4k hp buffed and ac of 1125 and the mobs in pod hammer me for 200-355 and as a warrior they are getting hit for 150-250 and have 5k hp plus. You tell me who you want to tank for you. Now as a ranger with out a doubt i can get agro anytime I need to when the shammy casts slow and the mob runs to him like he has a krispy kreme or something. The pally rules in this mode they cast stun and the mob never leaves agro off them. Good luck rangers and last comment is hp rule you will live another day.
If you are raiding and your getting hit there is something really wrong going on. With in 30 secs of that loading
RE: ranger compared to tank
# Sep 26 2004 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
A similar level warrior, pally or Sk with 95 AAs is going to have about 2-3K more hps than your ranger and will mitigate damage better with their plate armor. Ranger tanks work, but they arent as effective as the real tanks.

RE: ranger compared to tank
# Apr 26 2004 at 6:19 PM Rating: Default
I am a lv 65 ranger with full spell line and 95aa and i have 6134 hps buffed and 1354 ac buffed i can tank BoT mobs just fine. so who ever sadi rangers cant tank they just havent met any GOOD rangers =)
RE: ranger compared to tank
# Aug 09 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
william is right. Rangers are a form of DPS through their bow ... not a tank. They were not made as such

Yes, there are "twinked" or GOOD rangers out there that can tank tier 2 or 3 mobs. (For the mid-ranged 6k ranger- a mob who's slowed to 75% can also be tanked by a buffed 5k mage with 900ac)

All in all, Rangers CANNOT be compared to a Tank. A tank takes hits and tries not to die. A ranger shoots arrows and does dmg while trying not to die.
RE: ranger compared to tank
# Jul 27 2004 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm .. my lvl 57 Warrior has 6214 HP/1397 AC with Virtue/Focus/255 STA/ND1. BTW, he's got about 17 AAs as well. Wondering what I'll be HP/AC wise at lvl 65 with 95aa =)

So can a Ranger Tank? Yes. Can a Warrior Tank better? Damn straight.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jan 26 2003 at 1:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I've tanked Plane of Valor, thanks very much. And I "only" have 5k HP with Virtue and Focus. It's hard on the cleric, but you TAKE WHAT YOU CAN GET. That's one of the things people seem to forget about rangers when they can't find a plate tank...we can tank, however badly, better than sitting on your *** getting absolutely no experience.
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 17 2003 at 8:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) shd = FD
#MiegreWindWalker, Posted: Sep 13 2003 at 5:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Only problem there is that the FD is a casted FD, so if he is oom, interrupted, fizzles too much, etc. ... he dies and then the mob goes to wipe out the Cleric Smiley: oyvey or whomever it sees fit to put a hurting on Smiley: smile
I'm surprised..
# Nov 04 2002 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
I'm a bit surprised that cleric can't wear this. Frankly I don't care about the "who should get it" arguments because after 2 years you'd think that people would give up on that discussion.

In any case, it's a nice item. Especially if , at this point, a person doesn't already have IGS, SoE, or the equivalent.
RE: I'm surprised..
# Nov 28 2002 at 6:47 PM Rating: Default
Heheh. I'd wear this. 60 monk, all I have right now is acrylia reinforced lol.

Though if I had strength of elements i'd obviously wear it instead.

Guess I have something to hope for when trying to do trials at least :)
RE: I'm surprised..
# Nov 18 2002 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
65 posts
Clerics can't wear because one of the other potential drops is a caster shoulder piece.

I'd wear this as a paladin.
i concur with....
# Nov 04 2002 at 12:59 AM Rating: Default
i have to say that i agree with the person that said this was probably geared towards beastlords and such. frankly, it's got all the right numbers with all the right tags on them. nice ac, some str and sta, wis, hp and mana... it's a beastlord item. a solid alternative to the coldain prayer shawls for those that either a) don't want to invest in the time and money sink they are, or b) is more of a "i melee right alongside my pet" type. i, personally, would be switching between this and the shawl, as the situation would dictate.

and as far as rangers not being tanks... who the hell cares? if the ranger wants to tank, let him/her tank. why is this such a big deal? as long as the mob(s) is/are killed, and death on the group's end is minimal or nonexistent, i don't see how there is a problem with having a ranger for a tank.
I hateclass discussions, but....
# Nov 03 2002 at 3:19 AM Rating: Default
Bah. as a 61 ranger in a raiding guild, I would not touch this shoulder piece with a 10 foot pole. I currently wear a barbed rubicite coif and most rangers in my position would have quested a strength of elements or gotten a similar shoulder slot from a raid. Overall, sure, that mantle might be good at lower 50s. But it will quickly be replaced later on. For the kind of group that's necessary for the trial of execution, I doubt anyone in that group would use this. They'd all have better.
RE: I hateclass discussions, but....
# Jan 07 2003 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
I love it when people get on and say how its crap and so on, and everyone will have better.

I did the trials at 63, I'm currently 65 - and no, I dont have better. I have Barbed Dragonscale.

If its an upgrade, then its a nice slot.

Kosari - Lord Protector - Drinal
RE: I hateclass discussions, but....
# Nov 05 2002 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
True, do a ffa roll. On old servers like mine it will prolly end up being sold. Newer servers prolly have that nasty nbg rule going on but hey, nobodies perfect.
ranger here
# Nov 02 2002 at 4:21 AM Rating: Default
I think you can say that most rangers wont want this We take ac to heart and there are plenty other shoulder slot items that have higher ac.

However the stats Are really good but personally ac is king for me
RE: ranger here
# Nov 02 2002 at 2:06 PM Rating: Default
you poor misguided soul. rangers are not tanks and never will be. your post seems to make me think you have not really been in the end game very much at all. you will find there are mobs out there that you need to fight that have unresistable AEs. whats your AC doing for you then? in the high end unless you are MT you shouldnt concern yourself with AC at all, your main goal as nonMT should be HPs/resists. the resistable magic attacks can be dealt with but the unresistable you need HPs to survive long enough to see the mob dead. otherwise your just another stain on the ground for the mob janitors to clean up. your job as a ranger is a tracker and dmg dealer, my advice is to learn your roll.
RE: ranger here
# Apr 06 2003 at 11:47 AM Rating: Default
How are resists going to help you on mobs that don't have ae, or cast anything at all for that matter, you know the ones the majority of people xp off of. Even rangers in the high end game xp, and if you are going to raid and xp then you need different kinds of armour.
RE: ranger here
# Nov 02 2002 at 8:00 PM Rating: Default
I agree with RyuOki, and remember "Every time a warrior doesnt taunt, a MOB kills a ranger."
RE: ranger here
# Nov 02 2002 at 9:11 PM Rating: Decent
rangers actually tank just fine in exp.

rangers can tank anything that you're fighting for exp if it can be slowed.

as a ranger i can get around 5k hp with aego, focus. Cleric doesn't mind casting CH on me since it usually gets around 4k hp out of it.

Once rangers get renderer and acrylia swords with the aa's to boot, the clerics usually don't need to heal often.

People should really stop generalizing, it bothers me.

Edited, Sat Nov 2 20:54:10 2002
#REDACTED, Posted: Nov 03 2002 at 2:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) whos generalizing? a rangers primary job is to deal dmg. unless your defense skill goes up to 252 you are not a tank. anyone can tank when a mob is slowed. again AC is not king hp/resist are. and slowers are not always available for exp groups unless your 2+ boxing a shaman or a chanter. many a ranger would be happy with this item as the stats are just right plus raw hp/mp and unless you are a tier 5+ guild you may not have better. the place that this comes from, trial of execution, rangers are not going to be tanking, they are going to be shooting arrows and using disciplines. fight in ssra for exp group and see how long a ranger tanks before the cleric starts going low on mana and needs to stop. war,sk,pali are almost always available to tank, and they have the skills for it, its thier job. when rangers start taking that from us, our classes are obsolete. again whos generalizing? garbage collectors dont head up NASA. i dont see convenience store clerks with a medical practice. each class has its job and should do it. rangers deal more dmg than tanks cause they were designed that way. a dead ranger deals no dmg.
RE: ranger here
# Nov 04 2002 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
umm how bout when the tank messes up, or the clerics miss the CH, and someone has to grab some fast aggro so its not mass death, and pass on the aggro to the next tank? You'll be damn glad you got a ranger that can take a few hits in a time like that heh. As to tanking exp wise, rangers are fine in ME Velks Seb or the like, but PoP has ended that I think, stuff hits too hard now the HP diff becomes too hard to overcome even with a slowed mob.
RE: ranger here
# Nov 06 2002 at 2:10 PM Rating: Default
Actually, rangers can tank just fine in PoP. used a ranger tank in POV numerous times. Just because all the rangers you know suck doesn't mean rangers can tank.
RE: ranger here
# Mar 29 2003 at 7:22 AM Rating: Default
No doubt that Rangers CAN tank if War, SK or Pally aint available. A Ranger can get some good and strong agro by flame licking, but we all know that a rangers melee dps sucks compared to his bow dps (AM3 ofcourse). So i say, any ranger with respect for the class should stick what they do better than anyone in the game, which is shoot big massive holes in the mob.
RE: ranger here
# Nov 04 2002 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
One thought -

50 raw hp's and 8sta is about 100hp's, or one more hit you can take.

Would you rather take that hit, or have more AC? At 1200AC you are at a "soft cap" where you are starting to get the most dmg mitigation from AC that you will get. You are relying on HP, dodge, parry and defense from there on out.

AC may be king, but the Queen usually runs the show.
RE: ranger here
# Nov 05 2002 at 2:58 AM Rating: Default
Boy this is a long thread. In the end, HP are king as far as tanking goes. +HP items are more important than AC (as long as you stay over 1100 AC that is, falling below that is stupid for anyone that intends to tank), and quite franky more important than stamina items in raid situations. In a raid you can guarentee there will be a shamman that will buff your stamina and a cleric to buff your HP so that your MT should have HP in the 4-6k range (depending on +HP gear). Obviously your clerics will be much happier with the 6k tank than the 4k tank. Then again, we're talking about xp hunting instead of raids, right?
For xp hunting, it realy dosen't matter nearly as much how tough the tank is as long as you can deal damage quickly. That's why AE groups work, and a lot of melee grouped together can use a paladin for a healer instead of a cleric. Raids go after mobs that by all rights they shouldn't be able to kill. The reason you can kill it is because your using multiple groups and using tactics for each mob instead of the random chaos that is the usual pickup group.
So, can a ranger tank? Hey, if a chanter can tank for an AE group, why not a ranger if he has the right group to back him up? But when it comes down to tanking Vindi, get a warrior (or a very uber monk ;)
# Nov 09 2002 at 8:18 PM Rating: Default
Certainly a debate which for some reason is about as old as the game.

Can Rangers Tank? Yes
Should they be MA? No

Rangers are in a classisfication I call the melee damage dealing group which includes Rangers, Rogues, Monks, and SK's (can be switched into an MA role the easiest). Within this group each has additional skills which add to a groups abilities.

So what I have 4K hp with buffs and I've got a slower helping me out, and yes I can hold taunt by actually not having jolting blades up and hitting my taunt button. That being said, being an MA sucks as a ranger because you have to have a good cast around you to stay alive (i.e. an equal or higher level Cleric, Enchanter, Shammy. IMO get a friggen MA and own mobs quickly and efficiently.

Then you run into a several other issues; your pulling slower because you have a) lower group dps for a group of similar composition w/ a warrior or paladin and b) A Ranger is a mana sponge having to hold arrgo.

I HATE being MA:( Will I do it if nothing else is available and a good group is present otherwise? Yes. I would much rather have a group with a Warrior, Paladin, or SK as MA, that way I can play to my strongest attribute, dealing damage by standing behind mobs and pounding the snot out of it while the Warrior is taking that beat down, with the flexibility to pull, snare, root adds, offtank if needed, sow, downtime heals, melee attack buffs:)

RE: Ranger
# Mar 20 2005 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
/agree I am a 59 ranger and with cleric buffs am sitting on 4.7k hp and just under 1200 AC. I can hold agro like crazy but I see that as a way to pull mobs off of a caster or to draw away adds and root park them if their isn't any crowed control in the group.

On occasion when the MA leaves and no replacement has been readily available, I have filled in as MA but I bleed the healer dry compared to a warrior paly or SK. I do not LIKE to tank as a ranger.
#REDACTED, Posted: Nov 01 2002 at 11:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Personally though I consider this to be aimed at Rogues, Rangers and Beastlords.
RE: Nice.
# Nov 02 2002 at 5:42 AM Rating: Default
It's not.

Go try them all and come back to speak.

#REDACTED, Posted: Nov 03 2002 at 12:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lol Mr Grandmaster here, and a total newb at that.
RE: Nice.
# Nov 03 2002 at 4:47 PM Rating: Default

Edited, Sun Nov 3 16:28:35 2002
RE: Nice.
# Nov 03 2002 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
READ HIS POST. He is saying the the trial of execution is NOT the hardest, which it isn't. Until you've tried em all, as I have, you'll never know. So, don't post false facts when you don't know the truth. Btw, Mr. Smartypants, the trial of execution is the EASIEST trial.

Edited, Sun Nov 3 16:19:48 2002
RE: Nice.
# Dec 07 2002 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks Bytorr, I should have known that with some people you have to be REALLY clear for them to understand.

Of course these shoulders are excellent for, well, all the classes that can use them, I'd add that the AC is actually pretty decent for tradeable monk shoulders, even if it's effectively not the first stat i'm looking after .

Now, I know I shouldn't do that, because it's of no use to argue on a forum, but hell sorry, I'm human.
First of all Ulvian, I haven't ganked VS for quite a while now, but last time I did, we were 8.He is probably a bit tougher now that NPC lifetap bug got fixed though.

Second, seeing you whine under every new item about how it should have been, or where it should have dropped, or how an item coming from one the toughest encounters in the game is waaaay better is painful, but I could live with it.What really makes me mad is when you post blatant misinformations on subjects you obviously don't know at all, and I ask you to stop that please.

This site is the one where 90% of the EQ population get their informations, and it's a pain to try to prove them in game that something they have read here is wrong.

Oh and if Vakshiz the shade probably is one groupable, the group able to take it down could probably pass 3 Execution trials in a row.


-Edit: spelling is hard, as is typing-

Edited, Sat Dec 7 09:41:03 2002
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