Venril Sathir

The dark elves in the Overthere outpost are loyal to Venril.
Min: -2000 Max: 2000
-750: Threatening
-500: Dubious
-100: Apprehensive
0: Indifferent
100: Amiably
500: Kindly
750: Warmly
1100: Ally

The following quests require Venril Sathir faction

Quest Name Minimum Faction Required Maximum Faction Allowed
Before Green Indifferent
Kuughrak's Task Indifferent
Lost Koada`Dal Force Indifferent
Necromancer Spells Indifferent
The New Worker Amiable
Vitratul's Scrolls Dubious

Zones in which you can raise the faction

Zones in which you can lower the faction

NPCs you can kill to raise the faction

Quests you can do to raise the faction

NPCs you kill to lower the faction

Quests you do to lower the faction

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Venril Sathir Faction in Veeshan's peak
# Dec 17 2014 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Did a run through killing trash, and gained 50 VS faction per kill - did not do any of the names and was already max with bards, Mistmoor and scowls to Ring of Scale
Venril Sathir Faction in Veeshan's peak
# Dec 18 2014 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
102 posts
Update, sent an alt through VP, the faction hits on trash are Ring of Scale -1000, League of Antonican Bards +250, Mayong Mistmoor +150, and Venril Sathir +50
GM killed
# May 12 2006 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
I was killing mobs in OT by the book and a guild of 70s walked in and started killing mobs. They let me loot everything which was cool ade almost 1k. Then they pulled one of the GMs and after 45mins they killed him frist time I ever seen anyone kill a GM in the game. No not a Gamemaster or guide this was a guild master. I wish I took a screen shot so i could show everyone. Only thing to loot was a raw hide cloak lol what jip.
Pasquinell Icewulf (main)
70 bst
Faction raising.
# Jun 01 2005 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
130 posts
My 58 sk gnome did some faction raising here for his Worker Sledgemallet quest.

Sk started off as dubious. Took 24 warbraids to get to apprehensive, another 44 to reach indiff and yet another 44 to get to amiable.

As mentioned in other posts, sarnak warbraids drop from sarnak beserkers. One braid drops from every kill, along with an occasional word or rune or semi-precious stone. My sk seemed to have the most hunting luck in The Overthere, south and southwest of the central chasm, with most being in the extreme southwest corner and around the nearby muddy pond.

For lower level toons hunting in that area, beware of the sarnak messenger (he is a higher level) and the occassional patrol of guards from the evil colony (including General V.). If you are kos to VS, the guards will chase you down. They hit hard and run with sow.

Good luck,
any ideas?
# Jul 02 2004 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
Apparently, they nerfed Advisor in MM. He doesnt give VS faction anymore. Any ideas on how one can get positive faction hits for VS besides dragons in VP and Kunark? Isnt there any cheesy *** green mobs that give VS faction? How are lowbies supposed to fix faction after they hit Keasora or HS or KC? Someone said that fairies in FV gave VS faction but they were wrong.

65th Pallie Hater of RN
Shadow Knight of Dragons Fist
Lady Breaenna ZaTeeva

Edited, Fri Jul 2 18:14:17 2004
Captain Rottgrime resists charm?
# Jun 05 2004 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
Tried to single pull Captain out of camp and have chanter Charm him. Even after Tashing him she was unable to Dire charm him... anyone else have this experience?
RE: Captain Rottgrime resists charm?
# Feb 10 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
Dire charm works on mobs up to lvl 46.. Captain rotgrimm is lvl 55...
RE: Captain Rottgrime resists charm?
# Nov 17 2004 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent

Don't use DC.

65 Bard charmed him first try. Did turn in. Grats, one more wood elf with a bind point in Overthere.
what to kill
# Oct 21 2003 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
I have bought spells from evil vendors in OT before.. I am a Dark Elf Necromancer, but now they wont sell to me anymore, after my trip to KC. Should i just kille a bunch of sarnaks in OT to get better faction with Evil vendors or what?
RE: what to kill
# Apr 23 2004 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
If your only reason for being in the outpost is to buy from the evil vendors, and they won't sell to you, just make a new dark elf character to do the shopping for you. Since the PoK book is right next to the outpost, you don't have to worry about your level 1 character getting killed by a wandering rhino. This is how I do my shopping there and it's completely safe. If you don't have PoP, then you're in for a long walk, but it's definitely better than building faction and quitting Karnor's Castle.
VS faction Help
# Apr 20 2003 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
24 posts
I worked my faction in OT to get the hammer, the next day I went to HS and killed in there for about an hour. Found out the first time i used hammer---severely KOS. What mobs ( besides dragons and named) can I kill to raise faction again. I can't hand in braids so thats definately not an option. I am looking to kill any mob that is available to solo to a level 61 SK.
RE: VS faction Help
# Apr 21 2003 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
See the list above. Kurnark dragons are the only way. Not really an option for solo faction work, but you can tag along a gore raid and cast a spell on gore or buff one of the raiders to get faction.

On the other hand why bother? If you just use your gate hammer you can do it kos, too. Only 1 mob at the entry point and that is green to my lvl 52 bard who uses the hammer quite frequently.

Just swim around the outpost towards the PoK book or whereever you want to go.
VS faction
# Jan 06 2003 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent

Edited, Mon Jan 6 15:52:30 2003
no faction increase?
# Dec 26 2002 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
I am a gnome necro and i have done the quest and the faction does not say that it increased. Is it realy increasing? Have they nerfed it? Usualy when you get a faction increase it tells you right out that it increased. Instead i get the shield and it says he will tell the general or something like that.

Any ideas?
no chance for kitty?
# Oct 18 2002 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
is there any way a vah shir agnostic war lvl 36 could do a quest/kill some stuff to be not kos at the outpost? it would be nice if i could sell and bind there, since i'm hunting in ot all the time...
raising faction in overthere
# Aug 07 2002 at 5:25 AM Rating: Default
was just wondering. if your in a group and turn in the braids, would the people in your group get good overthere faction?
RE: raising faction in overthere
# Sep 03 2002 at 5:06 PM Rating: Default
not on your life =) they will get the xp tho!
raising faction in overthere
# Aug 07 2002 at 5:25 AM Rating: Default
was just wondering. if your in a group and turn in the braids, would the people in your group get good overthere faction?
am i KoS?
# Aug 01 2002 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
Well I've scoured the posts, and still haven't found a satisfactory answer... would I, an agnostic halfling rogue be KoS at the outpost? I know very well that rogues are generally frowned upon in most cities, so I was wondering if that meant we were considered "pseudo-evil" or something... any info would be greatly appreciated :)
RE: am i KoS?
# Nov 10 2002 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
The best/safest way to check your faction at the Outpost in The Overthere is to take the raft from Oasis to the Ogre Island in Timorous Deep. Get in sight of the Ogres and /con them. If you are KOS to them, you will be KOS at the outpost.
RE: am i KoS?
# Sep 03 2002 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
the best way to find out your faction is to head out to KC and find a Drolvarg inside to con. the drolvarg are on VS faction.
RE: am i KoS?
# Jan 25 2005 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
373 posts
can just zone to OT can con the Golems on the edges of the outpost too or the dragoons who wonder around.
Faction info
# Jul 14 2002 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
262 posts
If you're amiable or below at the outpost in dark elf form, you'll be KOS in halfling form.
If you're kindly, warmly, or ally at the outpost in dark elf form, you'll be dubious or better in halfling form.
This works both ways: halflings in dark elf illusion or dark elves in halfling illusion.
(actually it's only a 950 point penalty for halfling, not the full 1000, but that's close enough)

Humans, Gnomes, Ogres, Trolls, and Erudites have the same good faction at the outpost as Dark Elves.
Other races (including iksars, skeletons, and werewolves) have the same bad faction at the outpost as Halflings.

Some examples of faction hits, for raising faction in both Overthere in Chardok:
Killing Sarnak Berserker: -2 to Dizok
Killing goblin in Droga/Nurga: +1 to Dizok
Killing Kunark dragon: roughly +20 to Venril Sathir
Turning in four sarnak war braids: +8 to Venril Sathir
Turning in green goblin skin in Chardok: +3 to Dizok
Turning in two Mt. Death Mineral Salts in Chardok: +3 to Dizok

Killing sarnaks in Chardok: probably lowers Dizok about -10
Killing various evil things in Kunark: lowers Venril Sathir


Faction is the sum of five factors: Race, Class, Religion, History, and Magic. Every NPC considers those five things in deciding whether he likes you. Each is a number, you add all five together and get:

less than -801 -- scowls ready to attack
-800 to -501 -- glares threateningly
-500 to -101 -- dubious
-100 to -1 -- apprehensive
0 to 99 -- indifferent
100 to 499 -- amiable
500 to 749 -- kindly
750 to 1099 -- warmly
1100 or more -- ally

History is what's affected when you kill something or do a quest. I've seen quests with +1000 and kills with -1000 (or more) but newbie delivery quests are usually +1 and -1. The good quests usually give +10 to one faction and -1 to others, good kills usually give -10 to one faction and +1 to the others.

Magic is what's affected when a bard or enchanter casts a faction spell. It's either 0, +100, +200, or +300 for enchanters, it's probably variable for bards. Faction spells never stack, you can't even use them for two seperate factions at the same time.

It's possible that some NPCs have a sixth factor, a + or - because that particular NPC is just grumpy or friendly to everyone, but that is rare at best.

Edited, Tue Jul 16 00:44:51 2002
-- Sylphan Ducambrius, Master Artisan and Enchanter on Cazic-Thule
RE: Faction info
# Jul 05 2003 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
262 posts
It appears that killing a sarnak in Chardok is -4 to (brood of) Dizok.
-- Sylphan Ducambrius, Master Artisan and Enchanter on Cazic-Thule
It's religion, not race
# Apr 13 2002 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
It all depends on your religion that'll make you kos in the outpost in the ot. For example. True that some humans will be welcome in the outpost. Some aganostic humans, and those warrior humans who follow rallos zek, and the human sk's who follow the innorrukk, they won't be kosed. Now a human paladin or cleric will be kosed in the outpost. Also all iksars I'd be gussing are kosed in the outpost. However if your allready an evil race, Darkelf, troll, oger, you won't have to worry about being kosed no matter what your religion is. Not sure about the oger shammys though. Of course you'll be kosed if your evil and you've killed ogers in TD. I made a mistake and killed a few ogers, not enough to be kosed though. Just Dubiosly. Handed in a lot of war braids to raise faction to apphre. Hope this helps. Btw, the mercheys won't sell to ya if your con dubiosly. As for the new vah shiar race, I'm not sure if they'er kosed or not.
RE: It's religion, not race
# Oct 09 2003 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
23 posts
Not entirely true about the evil race religion thing. A troll illusion cast on my halfling didn't work. He worships Karana and therefore the illusion was worthless. Just an FYI for anyone else thinkin of tryin that.
RE: It's religion, not race
# Jun 25 2002 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
They both play a part in it. As a Vah Shir Beastlord I am KOS in the outpost. I'm only level 32 and haven't hunted anywhere in Kunark besides Lake of Ill Omen and Frontier Mountain, so it wasn't anything I killed.

I though Vah Shir were a newtral race and all other races are welcome in Shar Val? As far as I know Vah Shir are Newtral and Agnostic, but are still KOS in the outpost. I though the only places we couldn't go would be Erudin and Paineel, but I was wrong. I wish someone would come up with a PC race faction table showing not only if someone likes/hates us and how much so. Am I so far in the red with the outpost that I don't have a prayer of not being KOS in there? Factions in EQ are just plain screwed up. They are more for balance then follow an actual history or guideline, which would explain why a DE necro can walk in to Shar Vhal but I can't go in to Neriak.
chanter curius
# Apr 10 2002 at 2:06 AM Rating: Default
I'm am a 46 chanter on the rathe, and i mainly hunt on kunark, dont know much of luclin or velius, and dont like to solo. im currently warmly to the szscorpians, and amiable to the outpost. I've been in DL for a long time and am getting sick of it, but as far as i know, my only alternative is KC, as im too low for Seb. anyone got any suggestions on other places to hunt so i can keep my faction?
Different factions?
# Feb 06 2002 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
I raised my faction with OT enough to get my proc hammer, I con mobs in kc to look around and the front side I'm amiable, but the back side across the bridge I'm kos, any ideas why? and if I should raise the faction for the back or not.
RE: Different factions?
# Mar 16 2002 at 1:17 PM Rating: Default
The reason for the different cons is that some of the Drolvargs in Karnor's are on Venril Sathir faction, while others are on no faction. As an example, the larger Drolvarg Sentries are on VS faction while the little ones will con scowling to everyone, despite your standing with VS. Hope this helps.

Wanderer of Xegony
# Feb 04 2002 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
gives faction+ too
Deemyn Walken One Other tip
# Jan 27 2002 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
One other tip for all of you youselfs a favor and go to the Venril Sathir faction list and print it out...Hehe don;t fight anything on that list..Be Safe All
Deemyn Walken Mithaniel Marr server
# Jan 27 2002 at 5:41 AM Rating: Default
Just to let the poeple who messed up ther faction with Venril Sathir (The Over There)... There could be some creatures you killed along the way to ruin your faction..for me it was An OGRE Raider. Hehe the funny thing about it is they are there right where you catch the boat to The Over There.

Lets get down to business..from my experience I fouond out the only way to increase you faction in the over is the warbraids of course..but you can;t turn them in or your dead..sop the answer is you have to get a drak race mask which means you will need a hi lvl grp or hope you have a lot of EQ buddies..or hopefully you are in a guild...but if you happen to get the dark race mask that will allow you to freely go in The Over There and turn in your warbraids...thus raising faction in hope one day you be able to reveal yourself..I hope I answered some questions if any and good will be tuff
Evil Faction
# Jan 08 2002 at 7:18 AM Rating: Default
This is basicly evil faction. You rais Venthril Sathir faction your good in all evil places. Not like the braids where it it just for Overthere, even if the braids did do VS faction, ya, its gonna be slow and hard to rais it cause your talkin ALL evil race, thats ogre, troll , and dark elf. Ya just cant do it without killin big mobs. I have a 52warrior(ogre) and a 56enchanter(dark elf) and i hunted in Karnors castle. Boy was that ever a mistake. Look what i gotta do now. Being 55 Hopefully wont be hard to get a good amount of Braids to TRY the quest and see how many it will take to get my faction up so that i can at least enter the city. FURTHUR MORE i have TWO characterst to do!! Evil faction is the hardest to get. You get it when you start the game, DONT MESS IT UP!!
#Anonymous, Posted: Nov 30 2001 at 11:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok.. first off...most people come here for one thing and one thing alone..INFORMATION. I didnt come here for idiots arguing back and forth and back and forth. Look at alllll these links where there are more than 4 posts..guarenteed someone is either flaming someone else.. whining and crying, or just plain ********* I saw a post where 2 people argued over the dmg/delay of a RUSTY BROADSWORD. Cmon peeps.. its not like its an Epic Weapon or something worth arguing over...but A RUSTY BROADSWORD!!!?!?!
# Nov 29 2001 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
I am a human SK who screwed up my faction killing Ogres in TD before i knew anything. The evil out post is where the SK epic starts and now im kos. Does the werewolf illusion to turn in the braids work? And are these the only mobs to kill to get good faction? And can you turn the braids in more then once if needed?
RE: Faction
# Feb 04 2002 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
You don't really have to worry about ******** up your factio for the SK epic. The NPC who starts off Inny's Curse in OT isn't on VS faction, he's on TrueSpirit faction and you'll be apprehensive to him. He's located near the shore in the outpost, far enough away from the NPC's on VS faction for you to be able to start off your epic without any problems. Just don't fear kite inside the outpost :P
orge who kills DE guards
# Nov 23 2001 at 12:06 AM Rating: Default
Hello, I am a lvl 19 orge warrior, one day i helped some wood elves kills some Dark elf guards, well now i con threatningly and currently killing the halfling leatherfoots to raise faction. I was wondering do the dragoons/guards in Nektulous forest have any connection with these dragoons and guards here in OT? plz respond!
Vs Faction
# Nov 17 2001 at 2:46 AM Rating: Default
I am not sure, but i think an enchanter friend of mine told me, the spells bone of garou and/or Illusion Werewolf would change faction with Vs so you could go in and traid in Sarnak Warbraids for faction.Friends please be carefull i am not sure so please con and let me know if i am right, Because i never tried

Xsarnathos 36th level iksar Necro
RE: Vs Faction
# Jan 02 2003 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
I've tried just about every illusion i can think of that a lvl 39 enchanter has. Spiritwolf does not work, even with benevolence cast on the guards. The ogre and dark elf in the building where the braid quest takes place are dubious to me. But the SK Iksar and the guards outside are kos. As soon as invis drops the guards comethrought the walls (I frigin hate that aspect of the game) and kill me in 2 seconds. I don't have the werewolf illusion but I'm told it's just as kos as Iksar illusion so that's a dead end as well.
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