Beta Neutral

A faction for people who are supposedly neutral, and beyond faction.

Zones in which you can raise the faction

Zones in which you can lower the faction

NPCs you can kill to raise the faction

Quests you can do to raise the faction

NPCs you kill to lower the faction

Quests you do to lower the faction

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faction hit
# Dec 13 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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Uklo's Magic - cannot raise beta neutral by killing the mob any more. no faction hit at all on that one mob
This is imprtant faction
# Sep 23 2005 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
142 posts
This faction is very important if you wish to do half the quests on eq, getting low faction on this would make ti impsibble to d omost quests (Keys,epics,ect.)
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Ummm.... Playing EQ?

# Apr 13 2005 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
36 posts
From looking at the mob list and doing the quests that involve the faction, it comes from mobs that SOE doesn't want you to kill. I think it raises once or twice during the wiz 1.0 epic, but I could be wrong.
Malcore Bellacoro
The Epiced Good Dark Elf of Norrath bane of Cristanos
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Luvonius (Proudmoore)
Roveena (Proudmoore)
Rigga "Mortez" (Crushridge)
Lynina (Cenerion Circle)
# Jul 28 2004 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
145 posts
is this faction needed?
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on povar
RE: faction
# Jul 29 2004 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
45 posts
Im trying to find out myself more info about this faction. I have run across a quest i would like to do , and unfortunately , it involves having decent BN faction. Problem is , from what i see, there is not a single kill that will raise this faction , nor any single , simple alternative to raising it. If anyone knows anything about this, i would love some more info on it.
Dubiously yours
# Jul 30 2003 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
227 posts
Short of petitioning a GM, is there any way to go from con Dubious to con Indifferent with this faction in order to complete the Incandescent quests? I've tried every chanter trick I can think of including Bene, Invis, and Minor Illusion.
Beta Neutral and GM's
# Aug 18 2002 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
12 posts
Awhile back we pulled 'a fallen monk' in Crypt in Sebilis, killed it and received the 'cannot get any worse' dialogue. I myself am a Cleric and hadn't healed any of our tanks throughout the fight, and therefore received no faction hit. We petitioned soon after, realizing that the fallen monk was a quest-giver, and many other quest-givers and important NPC's, the PoD's included. Our petition was elevated and soon a GM teleported in front of us and proceeded to wait until we finished off the Emperor to fix each of our factions with Beta Neutral. The GM *did* fix it in this case.

Keldraan Lifebreather
60 High Priest of Tunare
# Jul 08 2002 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
3 posts
My party killed a skeletal monk last night in Sebilis in the PLA camp and my Beta Neutral faction went straight to "cannot get any worse." Being an enchanter, I have done the incandescent quests, so it should have been fairly good to begin with, but it is in the toilet now.

55 enchanter
Mith Marr
whos beta nuetral
# Dec 11 2001 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
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hi im an iksar necro just wonderin who is beta nuetral ..besides the ones i know of..
i know of these...

rathman allen near ortillias in so ro
the ogres in lake rathe near zone to rathe mountains
centars in so karena
shady swashbuckler in tunnel
aviak vendor on top of aviack village in karena (not sure but i think i sold to um but i dont think they like ogres)
some gypsys i can sell to...most i cant...
i suppose i could sell in solosek ro but ive only done quests there never tried to sell
and never checked for vendors

some of these i suppose arnt beta nuetral but ive sold to them

mostly i ask of u, help on finding one guy in each zone.. or nearby zones i can sell to )...

thanks alot for any help
Roror for Shakey's Stuffing Quest..
# Nov 22 2001 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
168 posts
He's given me Beta Neutral Faction everytime (3 times at least...)..and this is recently (October to now)
Astrall, Beastlord 65 - Xev <Stormwind>
One in WK too I think
# Aug 22 2001 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
21 posts
There is a merchant in WK down by the water near the Barbarian Village that I think is also on Beta Neutral. She has to be since she is the only source for all the shaman pet and animal spells (unless there is one in Kunark that I have not heard of). Since the Shaman are both good (barbarians) and evil (ogre, troll) they both need to be able to buy/sell from her. I have had no problem will selling to her with my necro too.
Tenamin 31singer on Firiona Vie.
Tarton's Wheel
# Jul 21 2001 at 6:20 PM Rating: Default
Does any one know if Sulgar, the guy who gives the Tarton Wheel quest is still Beta Nuetral? I tried to get him to give me the quest but he wouldn't.

If he has changed from Beta Neutral, does anyone have a clue as to what faction he's changed to?
RE: Tarton's Wheel
# Oct 04 2001 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
Sulgar is special because you need to have him targetted when talking to him. Then just ask him "what wheel case".
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# Jul 19 2001 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
68 posts
This faction was recently reset to indifferent for everyone, and the bloodstone quest in Highhold no longer gives the faction hit. I was up to kindly, which was nice for the various vendors like the Shady Swashbuckler who are way overpriced. But they are now all indifferent, and turning in bloodstones will no longer give any faction hit at all.

So now I can't say that every single npc in Halas is amiable or better anymore :(
Venerable Heyokah Verdandi Snowblood, Hierophant of Cabilis, Barbarian Prophet, and Fluffy Pillow for the Celestial Knights
Beta Neutral Faction
# Jun 07 2001 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
Spoke with GM Drembo on Drinal server. He said Cynthia is no longer beta neutral faction. I asked him what faction she was and he declined to say. I asked him if she had a faction and he declined to say. I do know that the way you can build beta neutral faction is go to HH Keep with someone who can invis. Hand the enchanter vendor 4 bloodstones. BEFORE you hit trade have your partner invis you then hit trade. You will get beta nuetral faction. I went from dubious to amaible in about 5 mins and about 50 -60 bloodstones.

Adaster Dezaster
51 Dark Elf Reaver
Guild Leader Green Eqq's and Ham
Drinal Server
Beta Neutral Faction
# Jun 07 2001 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
Did something change with the Beta Neutral faction. I am trying to do the rod quest and now none of the NPC's will talk to me. I have tried handing Bloodstones to the enchanter vender in HH Keep and he tells me to get lost. Cyntia in Rath Mountain calls me a scumbag and Miz'N' Mar in Neriak tells me to get lost.

51 Dark Elf Reaver
# May 29 2001 at 9:54 PM Rating: Default
Just as an update, AS OF MAY 30th, 2001 ALL beta nuetral faction mobs will be changed to THEIR OWN faction. The Beta is bieng completely removed from game.
Fixing Beta Neutral
# May 11 2001 at 1:42 PM Rating: Default
to fix your BN faction, hand in a few(i handed in 320) bloodstones to the enchanter pet merchant in high hold. He should fix you right up
RE: Fixing Beta Neutral
# May 28 2001 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
9 posts
wehre is this pet merchant and whats its name

high hold pass or keep?
Lvl 30 Troll Mage
RE: Fixing Beta Neutral
# May 28 2001 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
Macoo the merchant name is Tarn Visilin (spelling may be a bit off) and he is in the library in High Hold Keep. If I am not mistaken the merchant next to him is a bard (looks like one anyway) so be careful if you are KOS to bards.
Arasai Necromancer of the 74th season
# Apr 22 2001 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
Well the Kat in Kerra Isle, I killed him from 19 to 22, great EXP for a static spawn. And nobody to bother me. Not knowing what Beta Nutral faction was I didnt care.

I was running through the Halfling city (where Im no longer KoS) just to have the PoD scream for my blood and kill me. LOL Be CAREFULL LOL.

I am now threataning by them, vendors have yet to attack me.

# May 12 2001 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
119 posts
Vendors will never attack you unless you attack them first. I think this was a change to keep things from happening like merchants in the east commonlands taking out griffins in a few hits (since vendors tend to be high level and yet somewhat overpowered for their level--they're not really supposed to be killed).
# Nov 10 2001 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
748 posts
Vendors are extremely unagressive. Even if you're ready to attack to them, you can walk right their face and they won't attack you unless you attack them first or attempt to deal with them (don't attempt to deal with them unless you're at least dubious, although you have to be at least apprehensive to deal with them anyway). This is basically to keep them from clearing out creatures, like you said, and to keep them in their station most of the time to avoid disrupting business (you can't deal with a merchant if they're not in their stationed place, they'll just keep saying "I'm busy right now" until they return to their post).

Most merchants are about level 30, but they hit very hard for their level, and have a large number of hit points for their level. Any guard in the vicinity of an attacked merchant, and even other merchants, will quickly come to their aid. Even if you manage to kill one, merchants' corpses disappear immediately upon their death, and they give no experience regardless of what they conned for you. You'll take a big faction hit with their faction, as much as you would for killing a guard. So it's not worth it. Merchants aren't invincible, but they might as well be. The game is set up so there is no incentive to kill a merchant. At least killing guards gives you experience. Again, for the same reason they made merchants unagressive unless directly provoked, they made them very disadvantageous to try to kill, again to avoid disrupting business.
Karazara Twoflower, 73rd rank iksar paladin of Tunare and Morrel-Thule (75th rank carpenter), Jaggedpine Defenders, Guk server

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sparkle purse
# Feb 05 2001 at 4:19 AM Rating: Default
While doing the Burning Rapier quest I got Beta Neutral faction for giving Norsea Sparkle a sparkle purse. The sparkle purse drops off of some dark elf named <someone> the Exiled in the High Shaman room or something like that in Sol A. Might be more trouble than it's worth but if you're desperate....
Ice Comet Bonus
# Nov 17 2000 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
The wiz Ice Comet quest raises Beta Neutral faction also.
RE: Ice Comet Bonus
# Jan 26 2001 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
151 posts
I seem to remember reading on Graffe's that there was a rumour that doing the Tishan's Kilt quest would also raise Beta Neutral.

Incidentally, I've spent several levels camping Cynthia in RM, and she is still indifferent to me. Hence, I would assume that killing her does NOT drop Beta Neutral.
Carlo Curiosus, Erudite Wizard, Erollisi Marr (Morell Thule)
Need some help on doing Paw of Opolla
# Oct 04 2000 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
Now Melixis is con appre. to me, and i think i need at least indifferent to her for me to turn in the herbs for the rings. What should i do?
Damn Faction
# Oct 03 2000 at 8:08 AM Rating: Default

I can't find out how to change this faction for the life of me. I have tried everything. The ******* GM's are *** holes and won't fix it for ****. If anybody finds out how to get the faction from apprehensive to anything greater. I would be very greatfull...
GM Won't Reset
# Aug 29 2000 at 9:38 PM Rating: Default
I petitioned, GM said they would only reset for Ice Comet quest and he could not help me.
Priest of Discord
# Aug 23 2000 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
Though rarely slain, the PoD operates on Beta Neutral as fact there was an incident a while ago where killing a mob lowered your BN faction which is something that never should happen. Anyway people who killed this mob were suddenly KOS to the PoD rofl...
# Aug 17 2000 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone that has to low a beta nuetral faction can petition a GM to have it reset.
# Jan 05 2001 at 4:20 AM Rating: Default
Good Luck I did petition and was told bluntly good luck charlie youre on your own. He said they have never changed anyones faction. It's their in house policy not to help you. But when I asked for copy of that policy I was told it's not for the general public to see.
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