Wow, thank you very much Campdog,I see what you mean, I guess I need to run my little froggy butt around some more and try and see a little more of norrath, I pretty much always stick to the same zones because I know them, but, I guess that is not as good as I thought, tho I do like the old school zones a lot more, and I hate to see them get vamped. thay are the best link to the old days of EQ when everyone was there to have fun and the game had a kind of magic about it, I remember when the splitpaw gloves where just awesome and thay sold for like 500pp each, wich is like 10000 now, I see money being throne around like it is nothing now (wich comes from people buying plat) and that I do not understand. my dad's got a level 70 druid, and for the longest time I would just start to PL my guys up real fast, and I never understood why I did not like them as much when I got them up to higher levels, but I now understand, I did PL my shaman some, because I wanted to get to my friends level so that we could group (level 19) but I said that I would not PL any more once I got there, and I did not and will not, I know I know, yall may think i'm just one of the people that PL up to 65 in a week, but I don't, my main is a 61 monk, and I have been playing a long time...I really do like to fight to get what I have, it makes it more fun, and when you get good stuff, it's like, wow, I really worked for all this...I would just like to thank you again Campdog, you must be some shaman man, any wizdom that you would like to pass down, I would love to know.....thanks again