Twinking in itself is not bad my friend just like poison in itself is not bad. What you are doing is very bad.

First off anyone who buys plat goes to hell. Period. Why do you even play EQ? You can play Diablo and hack your toons and items to insane levels. You can be unkillable and destroy any monster with a single gesture. And you know what? It's boring!

Forgive me if I sound stern but this whole question is a sore spot with me. I have grouped in the past with people who didn't have a clue as to how to play their class and the sour taste remains with me still. You can pull 2 or 3 mobs who con red to you and kill them? You kill them or the items you use that you didn't earn kill them?

You say you want to get to lvl 34 as soon as possible. Why? That's a sincere question. For me the fun of EQ is learning what I can do, pushing the envelope and ocassionally dying for my mistakes or from overreaching myself. What feeling of accomplishment can you have from leveling the way you're doing? What are you risking?

Once there was a rich man's son who wanted to be heavyweight champion of the world. He told his wish to his father and got his blessing and help. The boy fought all the best fighters in the world and beat them all. After a while he forgot that his father's money and influence was letting him win. One day the boy and a bunch of his friends went to town. They went to the worst part of town. Three rude young toughs made nasty comments to the girls in the group and the boy got mad. He determined to teach the toughs a lesson. After all he could beat the best fighters in the world, couldn't he? So he said "watch this" and attacked. His funeral was the grandest of all but all the others in his group had nice ceremonies as well.

I could go on and on Dan but I'll end by saying you are cheating yourself and anyone who groups with you. Do everyone a favor and stick that uber gear in the bank until your toon grows up.

Good fer you :-). It really is a great game. I feel sorry for those who play it and miss the point. Good Hunting to ya !

I'm guessing this wasn't a twink, but an E-bayer.

While I don't condone twinking or buying plat online, I can see your desire to get back to your old level asap. 150k might be a little excessive though. I'd guess an untwinked toon in the mid-thirties could be re-outfitted with less than 30k.

In any event, I'd suggest soloing back to your former level then grouping for all xp. As a soloer, you will be overpowered and your skills will be lacking as a few mistakes, slow response, overpulls, etc. will not hurt you and, therefore, you won't learn as quick. A group will reign you in as they won't be able to keep up.

Keep your head about you and have fun. And sorry to hear that your friend and you have parted ways. Friendship is rare. Treasure it and nurture it.

Mojo

I fail to see why buying platinum is bad. Although I have not indulged myself (no reason to), I believe it's only bad if "n00bs" buy platinum. Know why? It ruins the higher end game, with people running around on 65 characters, asking how to BS, etc. The experienced player should be allowed to do this without being flamed. Think about it. Although you might not know, most of the people you group with are twinks that were built through bought platinum. But you can't tell, because it doesn't seem like they are "n00bs". As you already have obtained a character of that level(and thus understand the game that far), I do not see anything bad about your platinum, as long as you don't use it to speed through the low end game, skipping a lot of lessons that would have helped you in your later 'career'.

I gotta call ya on this one my friend. Buying plat is cheating pure and simple. I disagree fundamentally with anyone taking shortcuts or cheating to gain an advantage over those who don't. I disagree with athletes taking steriods even if 'everyone' does it. I don't like people who cheat at cards. It cuts no ice with me when someone says "well, you could do the same thing". I could, but I don't, and have no respect for those who do. You said;

I don't believe that. It may be true that most people twink their alts to some extent (I certainly do) but that is hardly the same thing as buying high end items with plat that you never earned. I believe that the majority of EQ players play for the challenge of the game and for the feeling of accomplishment they get from acheiving a goal.

I have seen many a liar or cheat or thief rationalize their behavior by saying "everyone does it" when that is obviously just not true. I'm not calling you or anyone else in these forums a liar or cheat or thief and I realize I'm taking a purist's position but it is my position. I make no judgements on anyone who sees things in a different light than I do. But when I see someone saying that there's nothing wrong with buying plat then I just gotta put me two coppers worth in.

Yes it's bad from a moral point of view.

You have no idea how many people buy platinum. There are several people on my server who make a living by selling platinum to websites, who in turn sell it to players. One of them, Sekez(serverwide known for it) actually makes a huge sum of money. He has a website where he posted pictures of his new house and convertible sports car that he bought with money made from EQ platinum. There is huge demands for it, hundreds of people buy platinum everyday. Sites like IGE and Player Auctions don't exist just to **** off Sony. Millions of PP are exchanged there for RL money. Although most of the people you will meet will deny it, be sure that a lot of them do it. I'm not trying to say you can tell by their skills, because most of the people are skilled at their class as well(it is mostly the "veterans" that do it).

I'm not trying to justify buying platinum, nor am I saying it's a bad thing. I'm just laughing to myself when people "flame" plat buyers when they don't realise how many of their friends probably do it too.

Nothing is completely good. There will always be some point of view from which it is bad. Same thing goes vice versa. In this case, it's bad from a moral point of view to stoop that low, etc etc. However, you must look at the fact that it provides jobs (heh) for some. It helps those less fortunate get money from those who are willing to spend that much money on a video game. From an economical point of view it is generally a good idea.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't judge/flame my lifestyle, or "path of life" as you put it, on these messageboards. PM me if you'd like to talk.

Wasn't trying trying to blow your faith in other EQ players CampDog, just wanted the truth to be known to those of us who didn't know. I understand not wanting to accept this, I'm still having trouble, myself.

P.S. I didn't mean to "advertise" for those sites on this message board, nor on any other, I was trying to use them as examples. I apologize.

my, i shure started something with this topic, huh?...lol...anyways, thank you to those of you who understand my point of view on this...i am soloing right now, and intend to keep it that way at least until i ding 24 or so, mostly because other people my lvl can't take on the mobs i'm taking...as for 150,000pp being a little excessive, it is- i only bought 50,000pp, but when the hand-off was made, i somehow ended up with 100,000 more than that. i keep forgetting to check my receipt to see if it was an error on my part or theirs (most likely i screwed up the # in the "quantity" box..lol)...as for those of you that still think i'm satan, i'm sorry that u feel that way...if it makes u feel any better at all, several of my guild members have offered to PL me back to my previous lvl, and i have refused...i realize that i am cheating by having all this kick *** gear that i did not earn (i didn't earn it on this toon, that is), but at least i am still going out and getting my xp on my own....actually, except for the fact that i am getting 3x's as much xp per kill as i would un-twinked, it's all about the same as it was with my first toon...i still get over-confident and push myself as far as possible...hell, i've had to run (or gate) for my life 5 or 6 times already, and i've died twice, even with my 30k gear

You must look at the original posters situation. They are not using the platinum to bypass the work needed to get to high end, they are using it to get back to where they were before. And he/she even admitted that they didn't order 150k, it was a mistake.

I am sorry no one jumped on any bandwagon... Campdog merely expressed an opinion, how you react to this opinion is your own responsibility. I for one value every opinion even the ones I don't agree with.

I see a poit in both agruements.

LOL @ Campdog

and just one more point from the appointed drag 'em master lol

If the starter of the thread *cough no names mentioned cough* (just kidding) didn't want opinions about wether twinking is bad or not he should have choses a different heading... "Is twinking always bad?" if you are honest that INVITES opinions that you got :) if you didn't want such opinions you shouldn't have asked that question.. we don't always get the answers we want to hear..

So if any one was flamed it was Campdog for honestly answering your question.."Is twinking always bad"

no there is my opinion again :)

Now after I have dragged them lol just before their stomping..... I will add my two cents worth on twinking...

It is personal choice... I personally only twink an alt which I only have one of and hardly play cause I enjoy my shammy too much and she from start to now has not been twinked I have worked damn hard to get her to the 64 she is and the satisfaction of knowing it is my own hard work at getting her where she is... is well wayyyyy high ;) but I do believe it is each players right to choose what to do with their toon.. if I had to start my shammy over I wouldn't twink her.. my alt is only twinked cause she is a trinket for mindless fun for now until I seriously want to invest time in her .. she is only 5 :)

Edited, Fri Jan 14 05:31:10 2005 by lickleone

LOL this is The Thread That Wouldn't Die. In fact, it's actually spawned a sequal ! I didn't actually think that anyone flamed me but if Lickle sez so I believe it.

Ya better watch yer step, you. :-)





Edited, Sun Jan 16 19:12:09 2005 by campdog