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#152 Jun 10 2014 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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I *am* a ginger. I still don't like Ygritte


Being ginger doesn't make you immune to the innate ginger hate. We all know gingers are full of self hatred.
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#153 Jun 10 2014 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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We all know gingers are full of self hatred.


Something has to fill the void where a soul would normally go.
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#154 Jun 11 2014 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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Rose Leslie is too sexy to hate, especially when you've got a weakness for redheads, and her normal dialect is very much not like Ygritte's dialect,

Also, GINGERS HAVE SOULS! Smiley: mad
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#156 Jun 12 2014 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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I think the problem most people had with Ygritte was that at least the screen version of the character seemed to change her personality too often and too quickly. She starts out taunting/flirting with Jon. Fine. She moved to "keeping an eye on you, but also using my wiles to control you". Again, fine. Then suddenly she's declaring her undying love for him. Then it's back to business climbing the wall. Then, after surviving that, she switches back to keeping an eye on him. Then the whole Jon not wanting to kill random villagers means he's betrayed her bit comes kinda out from left field.

It's just that it appeared like she was moving firmly into a "you and I against the world and to hell with sides" and then instantly snapped into "you aren't willing to do terrible things to prove you're on my side, so you've betrayed me. Here's an arrow in your knee". Then she proceeded to kill indiscriminately. Until she didn't (with Ginny and her baby). Then she did again. Dunno, it made any sense of connection to her character difficult. Even at the end there was no way to know if she was going to actually kill Jon or kiss him. I'm sure that was intentional, but it really didn't play out as well in the audiences eye (or at least mine) as I think the writer(s) thought.

Not sure if that's how the character was in the books. Maybe the pacing of the books made the character less annoyingly flip-floppy. As it was, I think they expected us to see her death as this dramatic thing with a huge impact on Jon, while I think for most people it was more like "Thank god she's dead. Now Jon doesn't have any excuse for being a complete idiot".
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#157 Jun 12 2014 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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I think the problem most people had with Ygritte was *stuff*.


No, it's because she was a ginger.
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#158 Jun 12 2014 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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You have angered the ginger. You will now all die.

Seriously. Smiley: mad
#159 Jun 13 2014 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
Wait, didn't Ygritte try to fight with Jon when the wildlings were going to turn on him for not chopping off horse guy's head? But, you know, he pushed her down so that she wouldn't get chopped up her buddies. That's how I remember the scene. Made perfect sense to me that she would see that as a betrayal.
#160 Jun 13 2014 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I think the problem most people had with Ygritte was *stuff*.


No, it's because she was a ginger.

Besides her red hair, I didn't have any problems with her. I thought her a good character. In the books she wasn't given much of a persona beyond the red-headedness.

My own storyline has her pregnant with Jon's baby when she's killed. Some creepy old witch-woman slinks in saves the kid from the womb (anti-abortion). It grows up to be a shape-shifting emo-ginger boy child forever seeking vengeance against his father.
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#161 Jun 13 2014 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I think the problem most people had with Ygritte was *stuff*.


No, it's because she was a ginger.

Besides her red hair, I didn't have any problems with her. I thought her a good character. In the books she wasn't given much of a persona beyond the red-headedness.

My own storyline has her pregnant with Jon's baby when she's killed. Some creepy old witch-woman slinks in saves the kid from the womb (anti-abortion). It grows up to be a shape-shifting emo-ginger boy child forever seeking vengeance against his father.


A soulless fiend bent solely on revenge, ie, a typical ginger.
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Ginger hatred aside, I've got a weakness for women with red hair and blue eyes. That particular combination is my kryptonite.

Also, there were some great scenes with Ygritte's fiery red mane in stark contrast (hah) to the white snow (hah). Red and white is an awesome combination of colors, obviously. Smiley: rolleyes
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#163 Jun 13 2014 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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I have no problems with redheads. Rose Leslie is attractive. But her smile is off. It's not the corners of her mouth that raise, it's her whole upper lip, and her nose scrunches up. Like she took a shot of whiskey, cute in it's own way. She could use a little more meat on them bones.



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#164 Jun 14 2014 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I get that they needed to do a big dramatic battle thingie (and have been building up to it for a season and a half), but I was actually a bit disappointed that the entire episode focused just on the Wall. Wouldn't have minded a couple scenes cutting back to other storylines, doubly so given the massive hanging ending from the previous episode. Yeah, drama. Whatever.

Overall, I liked the battle (the giant shooting that guy literally off the damn wall was pretty cool). Marred a bit by the typical dramatic flourishes which always seem to intrude into such things (but are apparently a necessary staple of the media). Stuff like when Alliser comes down with a group of men to help defend the fort, and he stops to give a dramatic speech to rally the men, giving the wildlings just enough time to finish clambering over the walls and into the fort itself. Had they just charged to say the section of wall where the last few guys were giving their lives trying to hold off the attack, they would have been engaging them on the damn wall where the defenders would have the advantage, rather than in the courtyard, where they did not. Dunno. The timing of the action in that scene just kinda bothered me. I get that a wild and chaotic fight in a courtyard is much more exciting visually than fighting in narrow battlements, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it if they'd had them arrive too late to fight them on said battlements. But he literally stopped to give a speech exactly long enough to ensure that the fight occurred in the courtyard. Could have achieved the same dramatic effect (maybe even better) by having him give the speech as they're dropping down the elevator and looking down at the walls being overrun and wildlings flooding into the courtyard and realizing that they were in for the fight of their lives. But hey, I'm not in the film/tv industry, so what do I know?

That also kind of highlighted something that bothered me. Again, it's the tactical versus dramatic issue. Given the massive Wall really wasn't in much threat at all, they could literally have defended the top of the Wall with like 10 guys. So why on earth did they have nearly everyone where they weren't going to be in any immediate danger, whilst leaving a skeleton force to defend the most vulnerable part of the fort. It's not like they didn't know there were bands of wildlings in the immediate area, and even that the entire battle plan rested on the fire from beyond the wall signaling a combined assault on both sides. Again, I get the whole "gotta have drama" bit, but you'd think guys who dedicate their entire lives to defending one fortification would actually have some basic tactical skill at doing exactly that. Kinda obvious that the weak point of their defenses is the southern side of the castle, right? I guess I just read too much into this stuff, but it just bothers me when writers basically fall back on "they didn't think of that" as an excuse to create negative outcomes. Doubly so when it's not really necessary. They are outnumbered. Badly. Just show this in a realistic manner. You don't need to compound it with really dumb decisions.

Edited, Jun 9th 2014 7:44pm by gbaji


It was handled much better in the books. The battle at Castle Black and the battle to defend the wall were combined into a single battle to fit the show. In the book, Jon was still injured when the attack hit Castle Black, and he spent most of his time up in a tower firing arrows with another archer. Later, during a separate battle to defend the wall, Jon eventually took command of the wall and was more or less responsible for holding off the first attack. After holding off the first attack on the wall from the North, Ser Aliser and some of his cronies who were still in charge at that time sent Jon out to try to kill Mance. Jon was actually the one bringing up the arguments that Sam ended up using in the show.
#165 Jun 15 2014 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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So, THAT episode happened on Father's Day.
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#166 Jun 15 2014 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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So, THAT episode happened on Father's Day.

To be fair, he did warn him that if he said that word one more time...
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#167 Jun 15 2014 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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I don't remember Jojen dying in the books, but it's been a while since I've read them.
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#168 Jun 15 2014 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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I don't even...wow crazy episode. Loved it.
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#169 Jun 16 2014 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't remember Jojen dying in the books, but it's been a while since I've read them.


I don't think he did. But now we know he won't have any important part in the books to come. Reverse spoilers... Smiley: oyvey
#170 Jun 16 2014 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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So many somewhat slight changes from what I remember from the books, but doesn't affect the overall story line, just makes for easier TV viewing I guess.
From what I recall, Sandor dies from the (infected) bite wound he received. Brienne never fights Sandor, but instead it was Rorge I believe (who was killed by Sandor Arya in that aforementioned bite episode)

Need to read these again!

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From what I recall, Sandor dies from the (infected) bite wound he received. Brienne never fights Sandor, but instead it was Rorge I believe (who was killed by Sandor in that aforementioned bite episode)


It is not sure if he really dies. One theory I read somewhere says he is the gravedigging guy in the enclave of the Sparrows (I think they call themselves) and will someday fight against Robert Strong (resurrected/zombified Mountain).

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From what I recall, Sandor dies from the (infected) bite wound he received. Brienne never fights Sandor, but instead it was Rorge I believe (who was killed by Sandor in that aforementioned bite episode)


It is not sure if he really dies. One theory I read somewhere says he is the gravedigging guy in the enclave of the Sparrows (I think they call themselves) and will someday fight against Robert Strong (resurrected/zombified Mountain).

Edited, Jun 16th 2014 1:21pm by TherealLogros


Pretty sure he died in the books, actually both Clegane brothers. Sandor was found dead by a group of raiders who take his hound helmet and terrorize the countryside impersonating him. If memory serves, these are the same guys who Brienne encounters in a cave or something like that...big fight ensues...I forget what happens...I think she is rescued by Lady Stoneheart.

Gregor Cleganes skull is sent back to Dorne as some ambiguous proof of his death. It is never revealed I think if that is indeed true, again memory is foggy here.

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Pretty sure he died in the books, actually both Clegane brothers. Sandor was found dead by a group of raiders who take his hound helmet and terrorize the countryside impersonating him. If memory serves, these are the same guys who Brienne encounters in a cave or something like that...big fight ensues...I forget what happens...I think she is rescued by Lady Stoneheart.

Gregor Cleganes skull is sent back to Dorne as some ambiguous proof of his death. It is never revealed I think if that is indeed true, again memory is foggy here.



Yeah the Hounds helmet was worn by an outlaw who took it from Sandors grave I think. But since we never actually read of his death some belief the septon who claimed to have buried the Hound only said so to protect the identity of his new groundkeeper.

The Mountain is certainly not alive anymore but it is highly likely that he was transformed into Cerseis new champion by Qyburn. There were several occasions when Qyburn mentions his work on some kind of undefeatable warrior in his chambers below the Red Keep where the Mountains body was brought after his duell against Oberyn. As you mentioned the skull could also be a fake to appease Dorne.
#174 Jun 16 2014 at 8:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't remember Jojen dying in the books, but it's been a while since I've read them.


That's because it didn't happen. Granted, his role in Dance of Dragons is more or less limited to whining about being hungry and warning Bran not to lose himself, so it's not much of a loss. Also, Brienne fighting the Hound was a pretty far departure as well. Sure, the Hound ended up in the same grave either way, but I'm not sure how this will play out when/if they finally get around to introducing Stone Heart. I'm curious to see if they'll end up mixing the storylines from Feast and Dance or keep them separate like the books. I'm leaning more towards them blending them. I don't think ignoring half the characters for entire an season would go over so well. Either way, I'm looking forward to Arya's training with the Faceless Men next season.
#175 Jun 17 2014 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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I'm curious to see if they'll end up mixing the storylines from Feast and Dance or keep them separate like the books.


I'd be very surprised if they didn't just show the books concurrently. There's too much stuff to ignore for too long if they didn't, and things would be pretty confusing if they decided to suddenly jump back chronologically with season 6 (or 7 or 8 or whatever it is by then).
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#176 Jun 18 2014 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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I highly doubt that any of the characters, who aren't given an on-screen death, are dead. GRRM isn't exactly shy about having major characters die, so I highly doubt that these minor, but important, characters would be given ambiguous endings.
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