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#1 Feb 18 2014 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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#2 Feb 19 2014 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't realize a full trailer was out. Looks amusing. And Karen Gillan Smiley: inlove
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I am QUITE excited for this.

At first, I was bummed by Chris Pratt losing that weight... but damn he looks good.
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#4 Feb 19 2014 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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A little detail in that Vin Diesel is Groot and the guy that was Phil in the Hangover movies who's name I looked up not two minutes ago and already forgot is Rocket Raccoon. I liked Pratt in the trailer, though no one else other than Dr. Brule really did anything. Zoe Saldana looks good as Gamara, and even Battista looks like a good Drax, and his experience pretending to fight should be an asset here.

Overall looks like the summer blockbuster to beat, tentatively scheduled for early August.

Also somehow they made the song work for the trailer. Smiley: lol

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Also somehow they made the song work for the trailer.


I had the exact same thought. It was playing and all I could think was "WHY IS THIS WORKING SO WELL?"

I'm excited. I know some people bummed that Angela isn't in it, but I can't see Disney touching her with a six foot pole. They've been pretty firmly avoiding the multiverse thing, and there's no way they're going to release a movie where Heaven is an alien world.

I mean, Aeth is pissed about Asgard. I imagine American Christians would be frothing at the mouth in anger.
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#6 Feb 19 2014 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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This looks like fun. It might not be good, but it'll probably be entertaining.
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#7 Feb 19 2014 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Could be it is because I don't know the comics but this trailer does not please me at all. It's hard for me to put my finger down on what in particular I don't like, though. Maybe it's that I really don't see any connection to the movies so far apart from this glimpse of the Collector. Or it is too cartoony for my taste. A racoon... I know he/it is in the comics, but still.

Will watch it anyway. I've had false expectations based on trailers before.
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I haven't disliked any of the Marvel movies so far. I was underwhelmed by IM2, but the rest were various levels of enjoyable for me.

I don't actually know if they PLAN to tie GotG together with the rest of the films. Not like the other films do with the Avengers, at least. Just because we haven't seen much of multiverse or time travel theory, or anything to suggest that's where Marvel is going with the film series. Atm, my guess is that they'll be a largely separate IP running alongside the Avengers lineup.

I feel like the Avengers 2 will clearly answer that for us, if GotG doesn't, though. Invader from the future might be a decent-enough back story for Ultron. Though they confirmed Vision for Avengers 2, right? So maybe not.
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I actually disliked IM3 way more than IM2. And only because of the last few minutes of the movie. I already knew about the Mandarin twist (and wasn't too thrilled about it) but in the context of the movie it was okay-ish. Even though I still think they wasted a lot of potential with this character, especially with Kingsley playing him.

I thought the connection between GotG and Avengers would be Thanos. Even more so when they mentioned the Infinity Stones in Thor 2. I honestly can't remember if or how the GotG were involved with the Infinite War/Infinite Crisis stuff but at least from their name it seems the right kind of affair for them to be mixed up in.

Ultron and timetravel? Did they say something like this? Why not the 'normal' route via Pym, or if they don't want to introduce him through Tony Stark? Maybe I'm missing something here. The only Marvelverse related movies I watched lately have been IM3 and Thor 2.
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Hank Pym isn't Ant-Man in this universe. It's possible that he'll be introduced later, but it's not happening now. And Ant-Man is actually coming out AFTER Avengers 2, iirc.

So they need a new origin for Ultron (and possibly Vision). They might go the "US tries to create it's own sentient Iron Man suit" or they might go with something else.

My only point is that, IF they're going to introduce time travel to the universe to bring in GotG, it makes the most sense to do it right now, with Ultron's origin.


I really liked what they did with the Mandarin. Without magic in this universe, you already diminish the impact of his character. And I like that they keep everyone guessing, fan or audience-alike. I also think the franchise is FAR stronger without magic in it (particularly the ******** that is reality-warping).

I didn't love IM3, but I liked it more than IM2. It seems like it was generally really well-liked, though. And some of it I can really appreciate. I love the "Tony has PTSD" basis of the story, I love Pepper saving the day, I liked Tony having to deal with a crisis without having the suit to rely on (though that final battle scene could have been much shorter, imo).

I just honestly would have liked the movie better if we got more of other characters. It was sort of hard to swallow IM3 coming straight from the Avengers.

Absolutely loved Thor 2, though.
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#11 Feb 19 2014 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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I also think the franchise is FAR stronger without magic in it (particularly the bullsh*t that is reality-warping).
By the crimson bands of Cyttorak, it'll probably be an issue in Phase 3 with the Dr. Strange movie.

And I figure they'll introduce Pym in Avengers 2 at least as a consultant or worker on the Ultron project, at which point leads into the Ant Man movie. I'd say that's how I'd do it, but if it were me in the first place he'd have been in the first movie. And yes, I do have a mad-on for the lack of Pym thus far. Smiley: mad
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I really liked what they did with the Mandarin. Without magic in this universe, you already diminish the impact of his character. And I like that they keep everyone guessing, fan or audience-alike. I also think the franchise is FAR stronger without magic in it (particularly the bullsh*t that is reality-warping).

I didn't love IM3, but I liked it more than IM2. It seems like it was generally really well-liked, though. And some of it I can really appreciate. I love the "Tony has PTSD" basis of the story, I love Pepper saving the day, I liked Tony having to deal with a crisis without having the suit to rely on (though that final battle scene could have been much shorter, imo).

I just honestly would have liked the movie better if we got more of other characters. It was sort of hard to swallow IM3 coming straight from the Avengers.

Absolutely loved Thor 2, though.


Magic would be ill suited for the world they are building. Totally agree. But why not let the Mandarin be the terrorist leader he claims to be? I didn't get that. If he was a anarchistic mastermind, bent on destruction with whatever underlying motives, it would have pleased me way more than the "funny" scene where he stinks up the bathroom and is generally very unimpressive.
Pepper saving Tony instead of the other way around, was fine, too. She got enormous strength, regenerating abilities and this heat power. All made sense. But why did she suddenly have first class martial arts skills? That came out of nowhere and, in my eyes, made the whole scene absurd.
I may be wrong about this one, but didn't they say in the first movie that Tonys shrapnells were inoperable? And then they did it at the end of IM3 anyway. Maybe I'm misremembering. But then, why didn't they operate him in the first movie? It was those things, along with the totally idiotic blowing up of his Iron Man suits that considerably soured the end of the movie for me.

Yeah, Thor 2 was a fun ride.
#13 Feb 19 2014 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
I may be more excited about this than any other movie since The Avengers. It looks funny, action packed, & full of sci-fi shenanigans.

Possible Spoilers, as someone previously mentioned they were wondering how this would tie into the other Marvel flicks:

The song list for the Cap 2 movie was released recently, & the last track is called "Quill's S.O.S.".

Cap 2 spoiler=> one of the other tracks is called, & I kid you not, "Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford) is the Red Skull"

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Hank Pym isn't Ant-Man in this universe. It's possible that he'll be introduced later, but it's not happening now. And Ant-Man is actually coming out AFTER Avengers 2, iirc.


Michael Douglas was cast as Hank Pym. Most likely Paul Rudd's Scott Lang is going to follow him/steal his suit.

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I actually disliked IM3 way more than IM2. And only because of the last few minutes of the movie. I already knew about the Mandarin twist (and wasn't too thrilled about it) but in the context of the movie it was okay-ish. Even though I still think they wasted a lot of potential with this character, especially with Kingsley playing him.


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Magic would be ill suited for the world they are building. Totally agree. But why not let the Mandarin be the terrorist leader he claims to be? I didn't get that. If he was a anarchistic mastermind, bent on destruction with whatever underlying motives, it would have pleased me way more than the "funny" scene where he stinks up the bathroom and is generally very unimpressive.


Watch "All Hail the King" from the Thor 2 DVD. It may change your mind. It appears the "actual" Mandarin does actually exist in the Marvel Movie-verse & is the head of the 10 rings. You might be able to find it online. I hope Agents of SHIELD follows up with this, although I'm happy with Deathlok showing up & Sif's upcoming appearance - especially because the description of the episode has her being sent by Odin to stop Lorelei. And we know what happens to Odin at the end of Thor 2 and continuity wise, Thor 2 already happened on AoS.

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My only point is that, IF they're going to introduce time travel to the universe to bring in GotG


Doubt it. Star Lord's Walk-Man in the trailer is pretty much proves he left Earth in the 80s/early 90s.

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I also think the franchise is FAR stronger without magic in it (particularly the bullsh*t that is reality-warping).


Well, Scarlet Witch is in Avenger's 2 so we'll see how they handle it. Rumor is she & Quicksilver will get their first movie appearance in a post credits scene in Cap 2.







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#14 Feb 19 2014 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
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I love the "Tony has PTSD" basis of the story,
That and several other small things has me wondering if they're leading up to a Civil War movie at some point. But then I wonder if they can use Spiderman, and if not, how would they do it without him?

All that's left is for Thor 3 to be the story of Ragnarok for me to feel like it's a lock for that route.
#15 Feb 20 2014 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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That looks pretty good.

I can't stand Vin Diesel but maybe just voicing Groot will be ok. Groot looked an awful lot like Swampthing.

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I liked them changing up the Mandarin simply because it gave us the shock value. It kept everyone on the same page; fans who knew a lot about the universe to the people brand new to the IP. It makes it clear that they can do anything, at any time. It's a reminder that this isn't Earth-616, and we shouldn't be thinking about it that way.

Whether or not there is a "real" Mandarin isn't so much the point. The Mandarin in this movie was meant to show the weakness that even supers face with regards to taking information at face value. Both the government (and I assume, SHIELD) thought the Mandarin was the actual mastermind behind the bombings. That was the information they were working with.

And then it turns out that this was a threat from home, and not a religious terrorist plot at all.

That's significant, because it's recasting the entire conflict of the series into a new system, letting it break from the real world in an important way.

I don't think super heroes vs. terrorists is a good use of the IP, and I don't think it has longevity. They can't keep chasing that tail.

But when the Mandarin isn't a terrorist leader, but rather just a figure head for a scientific research firm that introduces a new source of super powers to the world. That heavily recasts the entire language of the series. It blurs all the battle lines.

Captain America is going to be heavily about American militarization in the wake of 9/11 - that's clear. What we HAVEN'T seen is anything suggesting it's about the typical terrorist plot points. We can probably assume Russia will be involved, with Natasha/Winter Soldier being so prominent...

But, overall, the language of the movie is about the systemic corruption and overreach in institutions of power on the home front. Iron Man 1 brought your typical corporate stuff, Iron Man 3 rebranded that into R&D in super's world. CA is going to dig deeper into the theme of SHIELD's overreach, which has already been heavily seeded in the Avengers (and titles leading up to it).

And there's been a conspicuous lack of SHIELD in IM3 and Thor 2 (no one returns Darcy's call about Thor being back on Earth, or Jane going to Asgard, or the crazy phenomenon?).

I think the Mandarin not being a terrorist mastermind is really important in that system. Because Extremis isn't about political conflicts (particularly not religious ones), and I expect it'll be really important moving forward.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Hank Pym isn't Ant-Man in this universe. It's possible that he'll be introduced later, but it's not happening now. And Ant-Man is actually coming out AFTER Avengers 2, iirc.


Or they introduce him as plain old Hank Pym in Avengers 2, and something happens which causes him to become Ant Man.

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So they need a new origin for Ultron (and possibly Vision). They might go the "US tries to create it's own sentient Iron Man suit" or they might go with something else.


Could still use Pym for this (as above). Will they? No clue. Lots of ways to do Ultron, and I'm frankly not married to any particular method. I've never been a huge fan of Pym to begin with, so whatever.

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I really liked what they did with the Mandarin. Without magic in this universe, you already diminish the impact of his character. And I like that they keep everyone guessing, fan or audience-alike. I also think the franchise is FAR stronger without magic in it (particularly the bullsh*t that is reality-warping).


It's was an interesting twist, but I honestly felt it was a bit of a let down. Kinda wanted to see the actual Mandarin, since that character (done right) is pretty bad-***. I'm also wondering if at some point there will be some kind of "omg! Magic is real!" reveal in the franchise though. They just seem to go out of their way to do the "none of this is magic, just science" bit over and over. It's become a bit of a mantra. Would be a great twist to have them turn that upside down by suddenly having magic based characters show up and basically say "um... wrong!"

Would be funny as hell to have the "real" Mandarin show up at some point and it turn out that he let them use his name so as to make people think he didn't really exist or something. Dunno. I just think they're really limiting the franchise by not allowing magic and mutant type powers to exist. I think they're going to find themselves having to really stretch to keep things interesting and fresh while maintaining that requirement.

I think Dr. Strange might just have something to say about it as well. :)

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I didn't love IM3, but I liked it more than IM2. It seems like it was generally really well-liked, though. And some of it I can really appreciate. I love the "Tony has PTSD" basis of the story, I love Pepper saving the day, I liked Tony having to deal with a crisis without having the suit to rely on (though that final battle scene could have been much shorter, imo).


Eh... I thought both were flawed, but in different ways. IM2 basically had kind of a questionable villain and plot. It wasn't "bad", it just didn't raise the heartbeat a whole lot. IM3 was chock full of action, but I really found most of it silly. I really really really disliked that they went with the whole "modular suit" thing to an absurd degree. I mean, c'mon. His suit breaks into tiny pieces, flies around, and assembles itself on him. Really? It was "ok", when it was more or less one piece, but could form itself around him (as in Avengers). But having each piece basically moving around on its own was kinda dumb. It also quite obviously performed based on plot requirements and nothing else. When it needed to be solid and protect him, it was solid and protected him. But when they needed bits to fly off and the zoom around cause it made for a cool visual, it did that instead.

Iron Man's suit is not the freaking Venom costume. It should be solid when worn. Period. If you want it to have some modular aspects when being assembled and put on and/or taken off? Fine. But once on, it should be on. There was one scene where he literally was punched out of the suit. That was just silly. And then having multiple suits all flying around doing their own thing, with some also being modular like that, just made the whole final battle scene just so out there as to be laughable. I didn't at all get a "this is cool!" sense, but a "OMG! This is ridiculous". I was laughing at the end, and not in a good way.

If I had to say which was more re-watchable, it would honestly be a toss up. IM2 at least didn't have anything completely ridiculous in it.

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I just honestly would have liked the movie better if we got more of other characters. It was sort of hard to swallow IM3 coming straight from the Avengers.


/shrug

It's a film based on a comic book. It's totally in keeping with the genre to have a character who's a member of a team title suddenly do everything alone as though the rest of the team doesn't exist when the story takes place in his own title. That's just the way it goes in the comic book world. I just see this as something you have to accept and move on from.

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Absolutely loved Thor 2, though.


Yeah. I was surprised. I liked Thor, but it wasn't knock your socks off amazing. It was a solid telling of the characters and whatnot, but that was about it (to be fair, they had a lot to establish). So I was concerned about what they'd do with the second film, and I'm really glad to see that they did come up with a great story and told it well. They managed to really pull off the feel of Asgard and the other dimensions, without it feeling strained, and threw in a "ancient enemy comes back" story that worked well.

For a title that could be somewhat one dimensional (haha! I kill me), they did a fantastic job with that film.

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Oh. I suppose I should mention GotG, since that's the title of the thread and all. Honestly, I've never been a fan. I think a big part of it is that the series was more or less dead during the entire time period when I was heavily collecting Marvel. So the characters were just these sorta odd characters that would sometimes show up and you'd be like "wtf is this guy?". Oh yeah. From Guardians of the Galaxy, that comic that no one really remembers much about, but the characters keep getting reused because a couple of the big guys at Marvel really love them for some reason.

I'm also a bit surprised they decided to go with them as a main title for their franchise. While their re-introduction was long after I'd quit collecting, my impression from people I know who still keep up on such things was that GotG was kind of the comic book equivalent of jumping the shark. Not a whole lot of love for the series (and it didn't last long). Dunno. Maybe there's a bunch of younger folks who really really love them or something.

Maybe I'm jaded on it though. I have a friend of mine who is so anti-GotG that he's positive that the film will be the doom of the entire franchise, so I'm trying to balance that with the folks I see online who are jazzed about them. I do kinda think it's a risky move. My impression of GotG is that people tend to either love them to death, or hate them with a passion (think people who can't stand Episode6 of Star Wars because of the Ewoks). One person's "really cute and cool" is another persons "WTF!?". It just seems like the kind of thing that if it's done even slightly wrong will end out really turning folks off to the story.

I'm holding out hope, of course. Cause any successful super hero film means that more get made in the future (and hopefully really cool ones). So I really do want it so succeed. I'm just not sure how well the non-fanboy audience is going to react to talking plants and blaster wielding raccoons.
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#19 Feb 20 2014 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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Iron Man's suit is not the freaking Venom costume.
The last series, or the one before, Tony had taken the suit into a liquid nanobot metal phase and it was stored in the pores of his bones, and it was pretty much the Venom symbiote with lasers. He's since gone back to actual suits ... and has a brother and last I read was adopted.

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I'm calling it now! Stark is Kree.
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Iron Man's suit is not the freaking Venom costume.
The last series, or the one before, Tony had taken the suit into a liquid nanobot metal phase and it was stored in the pores of his bones, and it was pretty much the Venom symbiote with lasers. He's since gone back to actual suits ... and has a brother and last I read was adopted.


I thought that was an alternate timeline version of him. Or maybe a future version? Or an alternate timeline future version of him? It was not the same Tony Stark character, right? It was during the period when Marvel kinda went nuts with "Let's fail to learn the lesson of what nearly destroyed DC and actually change our entire universe to be like DCs was before they realized how stupid it was and changed theirs to be more like ours".

At least I assume that was the thought process behind deciding to focus 80% of their franchise on alternate timeline versions of their characters.

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Hasn't the alternate timeline stuff been working really well for Marvel?

It's actually allowed them to grow the brand by providing entry points for new readers, rather than force them to have to figure out what the hell they need to read to get sort of caught up.

I mean, they keep doing it, and they keep making more and more money, so I assume it's working.
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I thought that was an alternate timeline version of him. Or maybe a future version? Or an alternate timeline future version of him? It was not the same Tony Stark character, right?
I've a few holes in my memory of it, but it was definitely canon for 616. Actually, I spent twenty minutes trying to remember the sequence of events that lead to it and I can't seem to recall. It was either at the start of that particular run, or during Extremis where the virus basically turned him into a super computer, or a little after Secret Invasion. Either way they wrote it out last year or year before last. He is (was?) rolling with the Guardians of the Galaxy, and has (had?) a remote controlled suit doing the Earth hero thing.
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I'm pretty sure he's in the current GotG run...

I think...
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