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#1427 Jun 12 2018 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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#1428 Jun 12 2018 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
But the offense she is guilty of is not "being a racist", but "being unaware of racist language". She should have known how people would react to her statement. From her response, at least, it does appear that she just simply wasn't.
Your defense for her seems to be "she's dumber than a box of snot".

I...I agree.


Doesn't make her not-a-racist, though. In fact, the two tend to go hand in hand.


Edited, Jun 12th 2018 5:46pm by Bijou
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#1429 Jun 12 2018 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't fit the designs for anything more complicated than a paper clip on less than 1TB of disk these days. Forget about actual technical data associated with said design.

I regularly have plans for entire skyscrapers including structural, civil, MEP, fire suppression, landscape and interiors in files under 5GB. I have no idea where you got that idea from.


I was really more trying to make a joke about how the WaPo article says "including secret plans about ..." in the article itself. Which um... means the plans aren't secret now, even if they were before. I mean, now instead of just the Chinese government knowing about our secret sub based missile program, everyone knows! Yay security!

And honestly, it was the specificness of the number (614GB) that kinda hit me. So... what? That's the entire size of the disk space available to the system(s) that was/were hacked? In any sort of design environment, that's absolutely tiny. I mean, that could be one guys laptop with whatever data happened to be there (which I'd suspect is what we're actually talking about here). But I'm questioning the totality of said data in that case. The vague phrase "relating to" used a couple times also kinds trips my "they're making this sound a lot worse than it probably is" sense.

The labeling of this as "massive amounts of sensitive data" made me laugh is all.
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#1430 Jun 12 2018 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
But the offense she is guilty of is not "being a racist", but "being unaware of racist language". She should have known how people would react to her statement. From her response, at least, it does appear that she just simply wasn't.
Your defense for her seems to be "she's dumber than a box of snot".


I'm pretty sure my very first post on this was that she's an idiot.

Yeah, I'm trimming out the speculations, political diatribe, and whatnot:

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And no, this is not me defending her one bit. Roseanne has long been an obnoxious angry comic who goes out of her way to be offensive in her comedy. It's not like this is new for her, and I've never been a fan of her or her "art".


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It was a dumb thing for her to do though. She should have used a source less likely to be associated with race. Like maybe 1984, or Brave New World. I can't say what was going through her mind though, so whatever.


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Doesn't make her not-a-racist, though.


Doesn't make her not-a-space-alien either. Or not-a-lizard-person. Or not-a-secret-russian-spy. Or not.... well... anything. I'm going with "she's an idiot". It's not like I didn't already list a whole set of dumb and offensive things she's done and said over her career, right?
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#1431 Jun 13 2018 at 6:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not defending her but, but [long nonsensical diatribe about how she was really referencing the themes and deep dystopian meaning of a 1960s sci-fi flick about monkey people and it was something only conservatives could understand because they're in tune with that thought but not liberals because liberals only see racism so aren't they the real monsters here?]

This sounds a lot like "I'm not agreeing with the Birthers, I'm just asking questions!"

Edited, Jun 13th 2018 9:50am by Jophiel
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#1432 Jun 13 2018 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Er. Except for the already mentioned Howard Cosell.
You mean the guy who got called out on it and tried to pretend he didn't remember even calling a black guy a monkey and when that didn't work tried to play it off as something he called everyone, including his grandkids? Good luck working that defense. Or is your defense shifting from "The one person in half a millennium who didn't know" to "It's okay to call him the N word if you also do it to white people?" Because that one don't fly either.
gbaji wrote:
But the offense she is guilty of is not "being a racist", but "being unaware of racist language".
It's fun that even Roseanne is aware of how unbelievable a lie that is, which is why she isn't using it.

Edited, Jun 13th 2018 12:11pm by lolgaxe
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#1433 Jun 13 2018 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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My Uncle used to call his daughter Monkey. Smiley: grin Lucky for him she was white. (Probably lucky for his wife too...)

I had a chemistry teacher in High School who used to give out notes and pictures to graduating seniors at the end of the year. Pictures were of an animal she thought represented a personality trait of the student. One girl in my graduating class was given a picture of a shrieking baboon. Because she was a very loud person. Even her normal talking voice was almost screaming. She took offense to it, and I imagine had she been black it would have been portrayed very differently (pre-social media years, so no outrage generating machine available). I believe the year before a girl who was into ballet took offense to the teacher using a picture of a piglet in a tutu. (I thought people thought piglets were cute? This girl did not, and complained about being called a pig). None of the complaints seemed to stop the teacher from doing this. I do think in the Facebook/Twitter era the practice would have been a lot more dangerous to her career.
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#1434 Jun 13 2018 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Lucky for him she was white. [...] She took offense to it, and I imagine had she been black it would have been portrayed very differently
Sure, like the rest of the world since the 15th century they knew why you don't

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Not a flip! Doesn't count! No one has been executed for collusion and high treason yet so you can't say it means anything!!!!
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“As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.”

“Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard.”

Meanwhile, Cohen is telling friends that he expects to be arrested soon, CNBC reports.
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Lucky for him she was white. [...] She took offense to it, and I imagine had she been black it would have been portrayed very differently
Sure, like the rest of the world since the 15th century they knew why you don't

Edited, Jun 13th 2018 12:09pm by lolgaxe


So you took two separate stories and joined them together?
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#1437 Jun 13 2018 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
So you took two separate stories and joined them together?
Both anecdotes involve white people calling other white people monkeys, with your admitting it would be different if the people being called monkeys were black. Not really that separate.
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#1438 Jun 13 2018 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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So you took two separate stories and joined them together?
Both anecdotes involve white people calling other white people monkeys, with your admitting it would be different if the people being called monkeys were black. Not really that separate.


Except one was just a joke about a pet name for a daughter because of a comment about some public official saying he called his grandkids Apes or something

The other was merely an example of how a non-racist meaning behind something would be interpreted as racist because the color of the person involved, ignoring the context and meaning of the person who said it, even though the person's intentions would have been the same in both situations.

Together it's just "He called her money and she got offended!"
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#1439 Jun 13 2018 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Intent doesn't supersede implication.
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#1440 Jun 13 2018 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I called someone money once, and they changed.
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#1441 Jun 13 2018 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
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So you took two separate stories and joined them together?
Both anecdotes involve white people calling other white people ******** with your admitting it would be different if the people being called ******* were black. Not really that separate.


Except one was just a joke about a pet name for a daughter because of a comment about some public official saying he called his grandkids Apes or something

The other was merely an example of how a non-racist meaning behind something would be interpreted as racist because the color of the person involved, ignoring the context and meaning of the person who said it, even though the person's intentions would have been the same in both situations.

Together it's just "He called her money and she got offended!"


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#1442 Jun 13 2018 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Thank you stupidmonkey, that was a well thought out reply.
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#1443 Jun 13 2018 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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See, Tirith, when you say it, it sounds sarcastic.
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#1444 Jun 13 2018 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
I called someone money once, and they changed.

You're so money and you don't even know it.
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High praise for the North Korea summit

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#1446 Jun 13 2018 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
See, Tirith, when you say it, it sounds sarcastic.

I honestly assumed yours was.
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#1447 Jun 13 2018 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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See, Tirith, when you say it, it sounds sarcastic.

I honestly assumed yours was.


Oh, no, I was being sincere.
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#1448 Jun 13 2018 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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High praise for the North Korea summit


Will Trump get to watch a private basketball game between Kim and Rodman now?

Maybe it will be Franco and Rogen's "The Interview" sequel.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
I called someone money once, and they changed.
That pun is loonie.
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