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#1 Mar 29 2017 at 10:05 PM Rating: Default
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Lets get the obvious out of the way. Republicans finally had a chance to return the favor to the ISPs. Yay. Amusingly, a fair amount of people seemed peeved. I was genuinely surprised when the idea of crowdsourcing politician's data came about into mainstream.

But that is not what I wanted to talk about initially, it was this. I obviously don't care about abortion portion. I am just not sure what side I am on. Am I on the side of complete privacy where you can't record anyone without consent? Or am I on the side of: **** it, at this point everything is being recorded anyway and I might as well keep the film rolling?

I don't know. Life is hard and confusing.
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#2 Mar 30 2017 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm an anti-privacy advocate. All information should be public. People wish to hide their information from others who are hiding what they will do with it. After all, everyone should have a gun to protect them from everyone who has a gun right? There is also a culture of privacy in place wherein a facade of what is normal is being collectively maintained and no individual wants to have their traits fully revealed as being out of bounds of that facade, but once everyone is out in the open, the sense of normalcy shifts.

In turns of security, I think we're going to eventually see a shift away from secrecy and more toward verification. It's easy enough to steal my one super secret password for logging into my bank account, no matter how convoluted it is. It's far more difficult to simultaneously spoof my identity to every single other agency.

The shift would be chaotic, and to prevent that chaos several regulations will be implemented to slow it and create decreasingly quasi-privacy based rules. There will also always be the incentive for someone to be the lone defector and maintain their privacy while everyone else does not, but that will become more challenging as more services are tied to public information.
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That whole "Buy Ryan's history" thing is cute and all but do these people actually believe that they'll be able to call Comcast and hand them a check for one specific guy's web usage logs?
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That whole "Buy Ryan's history" thing is cute and all but do these people actually believe that they'll be able to call Comcast and hand them a check for one specific guy's web usage logs?
Well, something like $200,000 worth of crowdfunding says they do believe that.
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#5 Mar 30 2017 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
That whole "Buy Ryan's history" thing is cute and all but do these people actually believe that they'll be able to call Comcast and hand them a check for one specific guy's web usage logs?


Yes. You could do this before, it just wasn't, strictly speaking, legal. It was also usually not packaged or compiled nicely, you'd have to go through a bunch of different contractors etc. therefore it wasn't done that often because you'd need an exceptional use case.

Once it's commercially available, cheap, and more user friendly, many of the constraints on utilization will swiftly melt away. At the minimum for Op. Research. Definitely for marketing, and possibly for public facing hiring decisions, but that one will probably be diceier. Tor usage is already tracked for clearancing purposes, but that's partly due to it being a state apparatus.

I'd suspect ISPs would try to prevent sales to petty grievance holders as they don't pay well, and are really poor PR.

Comcast might not care though, their PR dept appears to be largely ceremonial.
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I'd suspect ISPs would try to prevent sales to petty grievance holders as they don't pay well, and are really poor PR.

That's really the point. It's one thing to sell data on a million users to MegaMarketingCo. It's another to sell data from the House Speaker (a guy who, incidentally, just opened the way to big extra profits for you) to a random guy with a GoFundMe page.

If they pull it off, good for them. I'm extremely skeptical that they'll pull it off.

Edited, Mar 30th 2017 11:17am by Jophiel
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Jophiel wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
I'd suspect ISPs would try to prevent sales to petty grievance holders as they don't pay well, and are really poor PR.

That's really the point. It's one thing to sell data on a million users to MegaMarketingCo. It's another to sell data from the House Speaker (a guy who, incidentally, just opened the way to big extra profits for you) to a random guy with a GoFundMe page.

If they pull it off, good for them. I'm extremely skeptical that they'll pull it off.

Edited, Mar 30th 2017 11:17am by Jophiel


Sadly, you are probably correct. It would be relatively trivial for an ISP and identify and scrub PEPs from the logs they sell to the highest bidder. The potential cost of ******** someone, who can actually hurt your bottom line via legislation is not insignificant ( insert a rant how as customers we should be able to hurt their bottom line here, but are effectively prevented from doing so ).

Then again, if there is one thing that I know, it is that if that information is there ( "PEP profile"), it will go out.. whether by error ( maybe improperly flagged during scrubbing - you don't expect them to do it manually do you ?), incompetence, or good old-fashioned malice. And if that is true, we will have some more interesting times ahead of us.

Personally, I am very much against anti-privacy.. mostly, because of stuff like this. Granted, this lawsuit is about publicly available information, but the effect is much worse if third parties do get a hand on you and your formerly private online habits. Google autoerotic asphyxia and watch your car, life, home and healthcare insurance premiums rise as dynamic pricing algorithm deems you a high risk individual bound to be involved in dangerous activity. Order pizza online and only your healthcare and life goes up. You hopefully get the idea.. I could beat the dead horse more, but do I have to?

I think people, who do not care about privacy are those, who do not understand human nature. We are not hive species. We are barely able to work together unless there is either a direct benefit to us, or an immediate threat of extinction.. and even then some will choose expediency of the moment.

The odd thing to me is the attitude of youngins, but they will learn the same way most people eventually do; by having **** they don't want others to know in broad daylight.. not completely unlike Trump - as you will notice how very, very transparent he is.

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But, Incognito mode keeps you safe, right?

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I could beat the dead horse more, but do I have to?
You don't have to, you got it down that slippery slope.
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Timelordwho wrote:
I'd suspect ISPs would try to prevent sales to petty grievance holders as they don't pay well, and are really poor PR.

That's really the point. It's one thing to sell data on a million users to MegaMarketingCo. It's another to sell data from the House Speaker (a guy who, incidentally, just opened the way to big extra profits for you) to a random guy with a GoFundMe page.

If they pull it off, good for them. I'm extremely skeptical that they'll pull it off.

Edited, Mar 30th 2017 11:17am by Jophiel


Paul Ryan isn't someone I'd classify as a target of a petty grievance. This service will likely be more effective than the equivalent value in campaign ads, so we will have a good idea of who where and when people solicit unorthodox services. This will mean we wil will be constrained in our electoral choices to only generally boring people with myopic world views.

The other option is of course the complete seizure of media in this country by a mono-party bloc, but fortunately it's much more likely that we just purge those breaking with administrative orthodoxy. We have the outside possibility of shifting culturally to a society more tolerant of less mainstream interests, but I suspect the political class is more likely to use witch hunts for the easy leverage that it provides, so I'm not optimistic.
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Privacy rights for the activities of private citizens should be absolute without a narrowly tailored warrant or subpoena for the release of specific information relevant to civil or criminal proceedings.

I'm a little more warm to the idea of obtaining information on public servants so long as the information is relevant to their public role, but determining which information is relevant and which isn't is a process ripe for abuse, so I'd prefer to err on the side of caution/privacy or at least design a system (like the grand jury) to separate the wheat from the chaff outside the public sphere.
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#12 Mar 31 2017 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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angrymnk wrote:
I could beat the dead horse more, but do I have to?
You don't have to, you got it down that slippery slope.


Since it is you, I almost automatically give you the benefit of not being serious. Especially since it is SUCH a stretch that companies that already use data would use more data should it become available. Such a stretch down that slippery slope..
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#13 Mar 31 2017 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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This just in. ISPs won't sell individual histories. No word on bulk, renting, or mining **** up themselves^^: I hate marketing.
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#14 Apr 01 2017 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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angrymnk wrote:
This just in. ISPs won't sell individual histories. No word on bulk, renting, or mining **** up themselves^^: I hate marketing.


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Under the rules, internet providers would have needed to obtain consumer consent before using precise geolocation, financial information, health information, children's information and web browsing history for advertising and marketing. Websites do not need the same affirmative consent.

The White House said Wednesday that President Donald Trump plans to sign the repeal of the rules, which had not taken effect.


ISPs have just said "Of course we won't do this". The new law states that you can.

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angrymnk wrote:
Such a stretch down that slippery slope..
Well, believing that your fascination with dudes choking themselves while jerking off affecting your car insurance is.
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#16 Apr 03 2017 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Such a stretch down that slippery slope..
Well, believing that your fascination with dudes choking themselves while jerking off affecting your car insurance is.


Hwell, fascination it too strong a word; harmless interest is probably more accurate; not completely unlike car accidents.

That said, it is not a question of belief. It is a question of what is available for grabs, because if it includes everything, everything will be used. ¿Simple concept,no?
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I'm being told this will have huge ramifications in Canada, given all data at some point, crosses from here to the US and then back. Having a hard time finding the capacity to give a **** at this point though.
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#18 Apr 04 2017 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Better not look up bestiality or your dentist might charge more for a cleaning.
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Better not look up bestiality or your dentist might charge more for a cleaning.

Or less, you never know what he and all those Hygienists are into.

Side note:
Is it just my area, or are all dentist's offices filled with female hygienists? I've asked around locally and it seems that most if not all the Dentists here are staffed with one or sometimes two Dentists, either male or female, but the the rest of the staff is made up of women. From customer service and desk employees to all the hygienists and support staff. Seems if there is a male in the office, it's usually the Dentist.
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I'm being told this will have huge ramifications in Canada, given all data at some point, crosses from here to the US and then back. Having a hard time finding the capacity to give a **** at this point though.


It has to cross into the US so we can look at the data, cc your gov't and pass through to transatlantic cables.

If it makes you feel better your data was probably already monitored, it will just be easier and more lucrative to do so now.
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Better not look up bestiality or your dentist might charge more for a cleaning.

Do YOU want to put your fingers into a mouth that's been sucking dog dick?
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Jophiel wrote:
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Better not look up bestiality or your dentist might charge more for a cleaning.

Do YOU want to put your fingers into a mouth that's been sucking dog dick?



Fingers? No.
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Timelordwho wrote:
If it makes you feel better your data was probably already monitored
I've always worked on this premise which I think is why i'm having an issue getting riled up about it.
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I think the only thing that will get people to care about data privacy in this country is when home insurance companies charge them more for owning or looking at purchasing a firearm.
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Which "this" country? That'd lower insurance as it'd be classified as a home security device.
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Politicians write the darndest op-eds. They never cease to amuse and, at times, amaze me. ISPs and search engines are the same, Obama broke it all, and all you prole chicken littles better stop whining, because it simply does not make sense to the ruling class.

Fascinating read.
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