Friar Bijou wrote:
Just curious, gbaji...do you have you long form birth certificate?
Funny story about that. I got into a discussion at work with a couple co-workers about this very issue (Obama's long form birth certificate). One of them made some kind of claim that it was such a burden and whatnot to obtain one, or have one available (it's not btw). I argued that it wasn't, and frankly everyone should have this important document available, just in case. He did the same kind of thing, asking if I had one (presumably assuming I didn't). Unknown to him, just a couple years earlier, I'd gone through the passport process for business travel, which required me to get my long form certificate, and while I was at the town records hall, I spent the extra $10 to get a second copy for myself. Since I'd been doing this in conjunction with the work travel, I'd tossed that second copy in my desk drawer at work.
So yeah. He got a pretty red face, when I just turned, opened the drawer, and after about 5 seconds of rummaging through papers there, pulled out my full long form birth certificate, complete with official seal.
I lost my original years and years ago yet strangely, the one I can go get at the county courthouse seems to be acceptable for all federal purposes.
EDIT: Missed part of what you are saying. The one you get at the county courthouse *is* the long form birth certificate. That's the exact document that was being requested. That's all he had to provide. You can google for images of the form Obama eventually released. Pay particular attention to the difference between the "certificate of live birth" and the "certification of live birth". The latter was the form originally released. Which provides some, but not all of the information. It's basically a short form that sufficient for many purposes, but not for full identification. The long form is the form you get when you go to the court house. That's really all that was being asked, and as soon as he finally provided it, the issue went away. Well, aside from a very very small number of nutters, but they're less numerous than people who think the moon landing was faked, so I think we can safely ignore them. We certainly should not paint their position as being in any way typical of most conservatives, or even "many" conservatives.
Seriously. It's not that difficult. You go to the court house or hall of records in the city you were born. You provide your name, date of birth, and mothers maiden name (and a small fee), and they print you out an official sealed certificate in like 5 minutes. The idea that this would be at all burdensome to provide, or that it's some kind of bizarre legal request (judges order vital records for examination all the time), is just plain absurd. I still to this day can't understand why the first judge in the first case didn't just make a bit of history and put his name in the book as the judge who set precedent as to how one can legally pass the "natural born citizen" requirement in the constitution.
Instead, every single one of them chose to dismiss on standing, not merit. Which is basically not saying "we don't think there's any evidence that he's not a natural born citizen", nor even "we think the evidence you're asking for isn't relevant to determining if he's a natural born citizen". Dismissing on standing is telling the plaintiff "You have no right or reason to know whether this person is a natural born citizen, or meets that requirement". In other words, it does not matter how much or how little evidence or question there is about someone's natural born citizenship status. None of us have a right to challenge the issue. Period. Not when the person is running. Not during a transition. And not even after inauguration.
The person could clearly be a foreign national, with no citizenship at all, and every judge just told us that as long as the people vote for him and elect him, you have no standing to complain. That's a *huge* problem IMO. It basically says that the natural born citizen requirement in the constitution is completely unenforceable. Which is a problem.
So...without the original "long" form...I can't be President?
You can't get a passport. In most states, you can't get your first drivers license or state ID card (once you have one, and are in the system, it's no longer required). Not sure if it's required at some point in the process of obtaining a Social Security number, but it might (I think it used to at least, because I remember my mom having to obtain them to get us kids SSNs. Today, I think they just like hand them out at birth or something). Point is that at some point in your life, you probably had to have obtained this, and used it.
It's just not that difficult to get it. So why balk for like 2.5 years on this? Obama did it because it was politically valuable to do so. As soon as it ceased to be so, he just handed it over, right? Could have saved a lot of time and trouble. Edited, Mar 8th 2017 4:15pm by gbaji