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Bernie is winning the nomination race and here's whyFollow

#1 Mar 23 2016 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
If the super delegates want to back the nominee that will win in November, Bernie Sanders is very clearly that candidate. The bottom line is, on Election Day, Bernie is beating Hillary. This article goes into clear detail.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html
#2 Mar 23 2016 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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I mean, sure you have to ignore he has to win every state from here to the end by large margins (10+) for it to actually happen, but it could happen. But that's just math.
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#3 Mar 23 2016 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Super delegates will broadly back the candidate who is actually winning the nomination process. When you have to start your "proof" by discarding states where Clinton racked up a massive lead by saying they "weren't contested" then you have no argument. The reason WHY they weren't contested was because it was obvious that Clinton would win them and so resources were moved to other, more winnable, states. North Carolina? Doesn't count! Virgina? Doesn't count! Florida? Doesn't count! Ohio? Doesn't count! But Sanders totally nailed Utah!
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Consider: in Arizona yesterday, the election was called almost immediately by the media, with Clinton appearing to “win” the state by a margin of 61.5% to 36.1%. Of course, this was all early voting.
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As of the writing of this essay (2:45 AM ET), Sanders was leading Clinton in Election Day voting in Arizona 50.2% to 49.8%, with just under 75,000 votes (about 17.3% of all Election Day votes) counted.

Guess where it is now with 97% counted? Clinton 58 to Sanders 40.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2016 10:02am by Jophiel
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#4 Mar 23 2016 at 9:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Guess where it is now with 97% counted?
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Doesn't count!
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#5 Mar 23 2016 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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For what it's worth, I don't really mind Sanders. If he magically won, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election. If I actively didn't like him, I'd be posting stories about what a dicksack he is rather than largely ignoring the Democratic primary "fight". He just isn't going to win. Magical thinking about "If we only look at states where Sanders won, then Sanders is winning" isn't going to change that.
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#6 Mar 23 2016 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Nothing he's said or done has really changed my opinion of him, that he's just there to make the Democratic side of the election look like there was a legitimate contest going on. Then again, I thought Trump was that as well, and I didn't realize that there was an immense number of fucking idiots that think, for even a second, that that is a good idea. I like Sanders more than Trump and Cruz, for what it's worth. I just think a lot of his support has less to do with him and more to do with liking another person less, and certainly the math isn't on Sanders' side. Me, I'm not going to vote for someone I don't like because I don't like the other person more. That's still saying you're okay with shit.

And yes, before it's pointed out, I know it won't make a difference. A moral victory and feeling good about myself isn't a real victory, so on and so forth.
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#7 Mar 23 2016 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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#8 Mar 23 2016 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:

Guess where it is now with 97% counted? Clinton 58 to Sanders 40.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2016 10:02am by Jophiel

97% of election day votes?
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97% of AZ votes counted. A vote is a vote is a vote. Ballots cast on March 22nd aren't worth more than ballots cast on March 18th via early voting. People who cast early ballots are generally strong supporters of their candidate so -- short of some major event like said candidate murdering people -- are unlikely to have changed their decision on election day.

Again, trying to make it about election day only ballots is magical thinking. Of course the election day only results will be closer if a large bloc of one candidate's supporters already cast their ballots and eliminated themselves from the pool.
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#10 Mar 23 2016 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
short of some major event like said candidate murdering people
Pretty sure that wouldn't stop Trump; more disturbingly we'll probably get to see evidence of that.
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#11 Mar 23 2016 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
short of some major event like said candidate murdering people
Pretty sure that wouldn't stop Trump; more disturbingly we'll probably get to see evidence of that.


Then again, there's some who suggest that this is actually already the case for Clinton. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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Jophiel wrote:
short of some major event like said candidate murdering people
Pretty sure that wouldn't stop Trump; more disturbingly we'll probably get to see evidence of that.


Then again, there's some who suggest that this is actually already the case for Clinton. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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#13 Mar 24 2016 at 5:49 AM Rating: Default
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Lefein wrote:
If the super delegates want to back the nominee that will win in November, Bernie Sanders is very clearly that candidate.
This goes to show that voting for a "political outsider" for president is like voting for a MVP who isn't an athlete. It doesn't make any sense. He's supposed to be against the "establishment", but when he needs help, then he wants their support.
Jophiel wrote:
If he magically won, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.
I think he's a single issue candidate that isn't ready for the job. I would have voted for O'malley or even one of the GOP governors before Sen. Sanders.
#14 Mar 24 2016 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
If the super delegates want to back the nominee that will win in November, Bernie Sanders is very clearly that candidate.
This goes to show that voting for a "political outsider" for president is like voting for a MVP who isn't an athlete. It doesn't make any sense. He's supposed to be against the "establishment", but when he needs help, then he wants their support.
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If he magically won, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.
I think he's a single issue candidate that isn't ready for the job. I would have voted for O'malley or even one of the GOP governors before Sen. Sanders.
I think the issue Joph is raising is whether one would vote for Old Man Sanders over God Emperor Trump.

The titles I added to them were just for lulz. Nobody get your panties in a wad. Smiley: tongue
#15 Mar 24 2016 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
If the super delegates want to back the nominee that will win in November, Bernie Sanders is very clearly that candidate.
This goes to show that voting for a "political outsider" for president is like voting for a MVP who isn't an athlete. It doesn't make any sense. He's supposed to be against the "establishment", but when he needs help, then he wants their support.
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If he magically won, I wouldn't have any problem voting for him in the general election.
I think he's a single issue candidate that isn't ready for the job. I would have voted for O'malley or even one of the GOP governors before Sen. Sanders.

It's a gross oversimplification to paint Sanders as a one-issue candidate.

Overthrowing Citizens United
Single-Payer healthcare system
Abandoning nation-building
Restructuring our energy infrastructure
Ending the War on Drugs
Bringing back Glass-Steagall
Public college finance reform

Sure doesn't seem like a one-issue candidate to me. That makes a great soundbite irrespective of reality. Then again, we're used to seeing Hillary supporters speaking irrespective of reality because at the end of the day, even a one-issue candidate is better than a no-issue one. Her presidency will be Comcastic.

Edited, Mar 24th 2016 10:49am by Lefein
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Sure doesn't seem like a one-issue candidate to me. That makes a great soundbite irrespective of reality. Then again, we're used to seeing Hillary supporters speaking irrespective of reality because at the end of the day, even a one-issue candidate is better than a no-issue one. Her presidency will be Comcastic.

Stop using hyperbole to describe our candidate just because yours is the worstest ever who stands for nothing! Smiley: thumbsup
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#17 Mar 24 2016 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
Sure doesn't seem like a one-issue candidate to me. That makes a great soundbite irrespective of reality. Then again, we're used to seeing Hillary supporters speaking irrespective of reality because at the end of the day, even a one-issue candidate is better than a no-issue one. Her presidency will be Comcastic.

Stop using hyperbole to describe our candidate just because yours is the worstest ever who stands for nothing! Smiley: thumbsup

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#19 Mar 24 2016 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lefein wrote:
*hugs*

I dunno, man. You seem to be the one in need of a hug right now. But if Sanders gets 75% in New York, that'll be just the boost he needs!
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#20 Mar 24 2016 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
*hugs*

I dunno, man. You seem to be the one in need of a hug right now. But if Sanders gets 75% in New York, that'll be just the boost he needs!

That would be nuts! I'd be in shock, truthfully.
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Well, yeah. So would everyone else.

Sanders is mathematically eliminated by any sane measure. He's welcome to hang around and preach his platform, of course, but his chance of being on the November ballot is just a few percentage points higher than my own.
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#22 Mar 24 2016 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, we're holding out for acts of God or really ****** polling.
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#23 Mar 24 2016 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Mostly just the polling one, though. If acts of God ever actually moved people to action no one would live in California.
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#24 Mar 24 2016 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's really more a problem with the messenger, no one really listens to God anyway. What you need is someone to tell you what God is saying in plain English. Then people do all kinds of crazy ****, like blowing themselves up, moving to Utah, and not drinking beer.
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not drinking beer.
Sure, if "listening to God" means accepting what your god-given sense of taste tells you. Smiley: tongue
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