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#452 Dec 07 2015 at 6:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mean, other than being pernicious, xenophobic, racist, and blatantly unconstitutional to boot, what could possibly go wrong?

The amount of polling support it'll undoubtedly receive?
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#453 Dec 07 2015 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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"Honestly, Trump has a point. America has always been a Christian country, and Muslims like me need to get the **** out. I always knew it was a bit cheeky me being here, but he's really opened my eyes. Now I realise just how bad I really am for this country in particular but also, you know, just in general.

Vote Trump 2016!"
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#454 Dec 08 2015 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just waiting for him to suggest that we need to round up the Muslims that are already here.
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#455 Dec 08 2015 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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With a classy gold badge?
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#456 Dec 08 2015 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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I'm trying really hard to wrap my head around Trump's mindset. There was once a time in my life when I was really prejudiced against non-white people, and gays, and even people from the UK. This is when I was twelve years old. I didn't even know what a Muslim was back then. A lot of my opinions on things back then had to do with what I was learning in school, and moreso, how certain groups of people were depicted on TV, particular gays and Englishmen. --but then something changed. It's as if I somehow grew the **** up a little bit.

I think Trump doesn't actually believe any of the outrageous things he says. He's like Ann Coulter, pushing all the right buttons he knows will get a rise out of people and playing the sea of stupid Americans like a giant orchestra. He is undoubtedly arrogant and narcissistic as everyone seems to think he is, but I don't believe he is actually that stupid.

Sadly, I can't come to the same conclusion for his supporters. I observe their day to day lives, and read their comments and posts on Facebook a lot. They are basically people who are bored with their lives to the point of madness. The ones I know all seem to live quite comfortably. They have nice homes and easy, high salary jobs they use buy all kinds of **** they don't need and oversized vehicles. It makes me think of that part in Matrix where some guy explains how they gave everyone a perfect world at first and how it all fell apart, ultimately leading them to create the realistic one in its place. These people are bored because they have no challenges in their lives. There is no adversity, no danger whatsoever. --and yet, the motivation for almost everything they say and do is fear.
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#457 Dec 08 2015 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, remember when Carly Fiorina was someone people knew existed?
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#458 Dec 08 2015 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just waiting for him to suggest that we need to round up the Muslims that are already here.
If we're supposed to be getting rid of and detaining entire demographics based off the actions of a small subsection that subverts their teachings then shouldn't we be dumping the Christians first?
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I thought the Deep South was our Christian holding center.
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#460 Dec 08 2015 at 10:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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At this point it seems like Trump is trying to see if he can be offensive enough to lose votes.
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#461 Dec 08 2015 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Trumps's said a bunch of xenophobic racist crap in the past six months. I can't believe anyone is surprised by it now. He's saying it because it's what at least ~25% of GOP primary voters want to hear.

Hell, given how other candidates have tipped their toes in the same water (only allow Christian refugees, etc), if Cruz, Rubio et al weren't scared of Hitler comparisons they'd probably be advocating for the same thing. I know it's nice to think "Oh, they don't really believe it..." but Islamaphobia sells and it's not because no one really believes it.
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#462 Dec 08 2015 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Speaking of crap, Nevada Rep. Michele Fiore said on her Saturday show that she's so opposed to settling Syrian refugees in her state she would fly to Paris and shoot them herself.
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I'm about to fly to Paris and shoot 'em in the head myself! I'm not okay with Syrian refugees, I'm not okay with terrorists, you know I'm okay with putting them down, blacking them out. Just put a piece of brass in their ocular cavity and end their miserable lives. I'm good with that.
Doesn't quite approach Matthew McLaughlin's proposed "Kill All The Gays" Bill this summer, but that was a pretty high bar.

Edit: Oh hey, a filter loophole.

Edited, Dec 8th 2015 12:33pm by lolgaxe
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#463 Dec 08 2015 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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At least she's shooting them with brass bullets. You know, minus a hundred points for ethno-religiously motivated mass-murder, plus one for her environmentally minded execution.
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#464 Dec 08 2015 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm surprised she stopped before adding the line "dipped in pig blood".
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#465 Dec 08 2015 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm most pleased by her proving just how much she's not okay with terrorists by advocating violence and intimidation to make a political statement.
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#466 Dec 08 2015 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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I'm trying really hard to wrap my head around Trump's mindset.

His primary goal is to avoid being nominated by his party while creating a loyal base of customers for the schlock he intends to produce from that point until his death.

Does that help?
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#467 Dec 08 2015 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'm trying really hard to wrap my head around Trump's mindset.

His primary goal is to avoid being nominated by his party while creating a loyal base of customers for the schlock he intends to produce from that point until his death.

Does that help?


This really isn't the year to pull that kind of stunt. Jst look at the ******* joke candidates the party's putting up. it has to be a struggle not to beat them by accident.
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#468 Dec 08 2015 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm trying really hard to wrap my head around Trump's mindset


It's not that complicated. He's a NY liberal who has bought into the notion that being rich and bigoted means you must be a conservative, and so, upon discovering later in life that he's rich and bigoted, has decided he must therefore be a conservative. All the conflict (and the strong negatives among conservatives) derive from this. The only reason he's still in the race is because he's wealthy enough to self fund and the rest of the field is split enough that he gets the most mention in the news. That and most people recognize his name via other sources. So when someone who doesn't follow politics is called by a polling company and asked which candidate out of a list they would most likely vote for, his name is the one they recognize and repeat.

I can't speak to what he actually believes or does not believe. But one thing that's clear about him is that he really doesn't seem to have any ideological foundation at all. He'll basically say whatever he thinks he needs to say to get him an advantage in whatever he's doing. Which appears to be working, at least when it comes to generating headlines and thus poll numbers. I'm not sure it will translate into actual primary votes though. Again, he's leading, but only because low to mid 20% still "leads" in a field so spread out. His negatives are so high though, that even if he maintains that rate through the primaries, and forces some kind of floor fight at the convention, the overwhelming number of delegates will break for someone else (who that may be is up in the air). I just don't see him getting even 30%, much less a majority of delegates. He could literally win every single primary by the numbers, but still lose the nomination.


Oh. Mindset. How about "egotistical". That about sums it up. He does what's best for him, and not others. And no, that does *not* make him a good conservative.
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#469 Dec 08 2015 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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Uh oh. You know he has a shot when Gbaji says "he can't win".
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#470 Dec 08 2015 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
He's a NY liberal who has bought into the notion that being rich and bigoted means you must be a conservative, and so, upon discovering later in life that he's rich and bigoted, has decided he must therefore be a conservative

And a plurality of GOP primary voters seem to love what he has to say so maybe he's not wrong.
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gbaji wrote:
He's a NY liberal who has bought into the notion that being rich and bigoted means you must be a conservative, and so, upon discovering later in life that he's rich and bigoted, has decided he must therefore be a conservative

And a plurality of GOP primary voters seem to love what he has to say so maybe he's not wrong.


Plurality is not majority though, right? See my point about spreading the field. Also, not voters, but "people who claim they're going to vote in the GOP primary, maybe, possibly.". When polls involve only voters with a past history of voting as republicans in the primaries, his numbers plummet. His support is mostly among people who don't normally vote in GOP primaries. Given how much you seem to want to stick him to the GOP, as though he speaks for conservatives and Republicans, that would seem super relevant. His support isn't from conservatives, but people who like him (for whatever reason that is).

If he were running as a Democrat right now, with the exact same platform, he'd probably have a plurality there too. Which *really* says something. He's a guy with his hair on fire in the public square and enough money to keep on being that guy long after most people would pack up the act and go home. That's it.
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#472 Dec 08 2015 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Plurality is not majority though, right?


Well, that's a distinction without a difference.
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#473 Dec 08 2015 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
His support isn't from conservatives
Don't you think if that was the case that the RNC would loudly and publicly disown him?

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If he were running as a Democrat right now, with the exact same platform, he'd probably have a plurality there too.
Being a giant racist douche is the GOP thing now and has been for decades. The Democrats wouldn't touch him Don't you get your news from anywhere?

I mean, besides FOX and the Heritage Foundation, of course.
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#474 Dec 08 2015 at 11:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Plurality is not majority though, right?

Hence my use of the word "plurality". But, look, I know you need to feel better about a quarter of the GOP siding with Trump and try to throw a hundred caveats about why it doesn't matter or doesn't count. Right though, polling indicates that out of every four GOP voters, at least one is saying "You know what? I really like what the Trump guy is saying".
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When polls involve only voters with a past history of voting as republicans in the primaries, his numbers plummet

So what? Obama turned out unprecedented numbers of first time voters to the polls during the primaries and general election. Those people were really Republicans in disguise or something?
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If he were running as a Democrat right now, with the exact same platform, he'd probably have a plurality there too

Oh, and if he were a gorilla, he'd have 95% of the monkey vote! And if he were a Whig, he'd be cleaning up the 19th century zombie vote! I mean, as long as we're just making up scenarios and numbers as a fantasy game and all.

Edit: I do love, though, how Gbaji's response to anything about Republican racism is "NO! Democrats did it!!". Which comes to a head here with saying that the guy who will make Mexico pay for a giant wall to keep its rapists and murdering population out and we'll round up the Muslims and track them (when not keeping them out) is really a big liberal only pretending to be a conservative and Democrats would be voting for him if only he was running on their side. It's like there's no other mechanism in Gbaji's brain beyond "Blame Democrats".

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#475 Dec 09 2015 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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The Democrats wouldn't touch him.
You don't believe a random, completely unprovable hypothetical fantasy scenario with no basis in reality proves someone's point? What are you, capable of thought?
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Those people were really Republicans in disguise or something?
Of course not. Those people didn't exist at all, remember? They were just the made up results of the liberal media oversampling the polls.
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TRANSFORMERS...Republicans in disguise!
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