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Death threats aside, she should have made the cake.

Some places use printers that print on edible material, so theoretically, you could get pretty small.

For the exact same reason the other place should have made the gay wedding cake. Their businesses are to make cakes, not to force their world views on their customers.

The reason I'm against the first cake shop was because it wasn't in their business model to deny the service, and in this case it isn't in her business model to deny the service either. She's just not using religion to rationalize it.

Yeah, that goes back to ham at the Jewish deli. If you don't make cakes with political sentiments on them, then that's fair provided you apply that evenly.

What's unfair is if you make a product for some customers but refuse to make an identical product for other customers based on their identity. I wouldn't even have a problem with a shop saying "Well, we can make you the cake but we don't have any cake toppers with two grooms and don't intend to order any so you're on your own there" because it's up to the shop if they want to keep those in inventory.

I think we've got the same idea but looking at it from two different angles. I'm saying pretty much the same thing as this, I'm just not sure whether they do or don't make cakes with political statements, since neither article I've read mention it. It all depends on whether they'd be willing to make a cake that says "We do support gay marriage." Since we don't have that information, I'm going with assuming they would, which is why I'm saying they should also make the opposite.

Edited, Apr 7th 2015 10:56am by lolgaxe

That's fair. I don't think it's an apt comparison though to a company that refuses to sell products based on the people versus the product itself. That's what the original case came down to: the store wouldn't sell a cake because it was a "Gay wedding" cake, not because they demanded that it be decorated with buttsex or rainbow linked male gender symbols. Presumably (based on the statements from the store about why they refused) it wouldn't matter if it had been a vanilla sheet cake, they still wouldn't have provided it for the wedding based purely on the people requesting it.

The "counter" was to demand a specific cake. Even if you made cakes saying "We love Gays" and refused to make cakes saying "We hate Gays", that's not equivalent to refusing to sell those cakes to particular classes of people based on their identity. The only real equivalent would be refusing to sell a cake for a religious ceremony, some sort of racial meeting (black fraternity?), heterosexual wedding or situation where the question wasn't the baked good itself but who is going to eat it.

Edited, Apr 7th 2015 10:21am by Jophiel

Yeah. Just because you make a "4th of July" American flag cake doesn't mean you have to make Nazi flag cakes. You just have to be willing to sell your American flag cakes to anyone.

Don't let the gnomes know, otherwise everyone is going commando from then on.

In that case step 3 would involve a ********** you, pay me" account.

I imagine it as one of those over-friendly doors from the Hitchhiker series.

This.

This is also the reason why the Deli scenario fails. If you're not doing it to begin with, then there isn't an expectation for you to do it just because someone asks. However, if you are doing it, then there is an expectation that you do it for anyone.