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#377 Oct 14 2014 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
What special treatment?
Oh, we're pretending all this coverage of Anita and Zoe isn't happening now. Okay, cool.
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#378 Oct 14 2014 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
What special treatment?
Oh, we're pretending all this coverage of Anita and Zoe isn't happening now. Okay, cool.

It is happening. I saw the linking in evidence.

So, what's your point?
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#379 Oct 14 2014 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
So, what's your point?
That you're sexist.
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#380 Oct 14 2014 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
So, what's your point?
That you're sexist.

What Joph said. Smiley: wink
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#381 Oct 14 2014 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
So, what's your point?
That you're sexist.

What Joph said. Smiley: wink

Her's just got more coverage because of the feminist angle?
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#382 Oct 14 2014 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
What Joph said. Smiley: wink
As long as you accept that the only reason you're defending Anita and Zoe is because of their boobs and nothing to do with the alleged death threats.
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#383 Oct 14 2014 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a shame that both sides, which theoretically have valid, non-crazy points to make, have been taken over by the extremists.

Gosh, that seems a lot like.... well, everything, these days.
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#384 Oct 14 2014 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I assume the point is that threats against people in the game development/publishing industry aren't uncommon. Which is stupid and unacceptable but still the way of things regardless.

However, most of the threats get zero attention. And no one uses them as a banner to say "Gamers are over" or "Gamers are dead" or paint the gaming community with a broad brush of shame on the behalf of a handful of socially retarded miscreants. The main reason anyone cares about Zoe Quinn getting a death threat versus John Smedley is because the Quinn story has a sex & sexism angle attached to it. That doesn't excuse anyone's death threats but it does explain why Gawker devotes dozens of articles to one story and zero to the other.


Edited because I forgot we're in Google Romper Room here Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 9:00am by Jophiel
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#385 Oct 14 2014 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
What Joph said. Smiley: wink
As long as you accept that the only reason you're defending Anita and Zoe is because of their boobs and nothing to do with the alleged death threats.

I will defend any game devs who gets death threats. This thread was specifically about Anita Sarkheesian getting death threats. I didn't make it, but that's why she gets defended.

Will you accept that you're defending the wing-nutt making threats because the recipient has boobs?





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#386 Oct 14 2014 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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But they're not defending anyone making threats.
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#387 Oct 14 2014 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Will you accept that you're defending the wing-nutt making threats because the recipient has boobs?
Why is it okay to doubt a liar when they're male but not okay when they're female?
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#388 Oct 14 2014 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
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Will you accept that you're defending the wing-nutt making threats because the recipient has boobs?
Why is it okay to doubt a liar when they're male but not okay when they're female?

Huh?

I don't doubt anyone's claims about death-threats.
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#389 Oct 14 2014 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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It's easier to say everyone's a sexist pig that supports death threats because some people are.

I'm not sympathizing with the people making the threats nor making excuses for them. I'm looking at people who are on that side not making the threats yet are continually lumped in with them and discredited and ignored. Like I don't think Pold here supports or makes the threats himself but you guys treat him like he is and does.
A whole group of games media people said that very thing about me and people like me after someone said that there might be some integrity issues among media journalists, rather than trying to actually deal with said integrity issues. That's why I'm talking about it now.

That's it. That's what #Gamergate is about. #Notyourshield is a bunch of female, gay, trans or non-white gamers telling corrupt games journalists to stop saying they speak for them. The guy who started it, a black gentleman, was doxxed by the other side and got fired from his job as they kept calling and harassing his workplace. Didn't hear about that on the news, for some reason. Nor did you hear about several other doxxing incidents perpetrated by those who claim to be fighting for victims.
#390 Oct 14 2014 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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But they're not defending anyone making threats.
It was a rhetorical question. Lolgaxe made a misleading statement about my convictions, I, in turn offered up a similarly misleading statement about his.

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#391 Oct 14 2014 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I don't doubt anyone's claims about death-threats.
Why wouldn't you doubt a liar's claims?
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#392 Oct 14 2014 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
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I don't doubt anyone's claims about death-threats.
Why wouldn't you doubt a liar's claims?
The story is what it is. There are factual, actual statements and stories about death threats and nothing about false reporting except speculation.

Everyone has lied from time to time - male and female game devs and journalists included, you ...me - everyone. Why so judgmental in this case?











Edited, Oct 14th 2014 4:36pm by Elinda
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#393 Oct 14 2014 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
There is factual actual statement and stories about death threats and nothing about false reporting.
A factual actual statement from a liar, and all doubt of her credibility being met with accusations of sexism, victim blaming, and defending death threats you mean.
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#394 Oct 14 2014 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
There is factual actual statement and stories about death threats and nothing about false reporting.
A factual actual statement from a liar, and all doubt of her credibility being met with accusations of sexism, victim blaming, and defending death threats you mean.

Who are you even talking about now?

Zoe, Anita, Brianna?

I assume not talking about Robert as you used female pronouns.

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#395 Oct 14 2014 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Who are you even talking about now?
Elinda wrote:
This thread was specifically about Anita Sarkheesian getting death threats.
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#396 Oct 14 2014 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Who are you even talking about now?
Elinda wrote:
This thread was specifically about Anita Sarkheesian getting death threats.

Just wanted to be sure.

I dont' know her personally, I doubt you do either. I've watched some of her stupid videos. They were a waste of my time.

Still, I have nothing near enough to fact to dispute her claims. They were reported, the FBI investigated. There was no claim of false reporting.

I'm not buying your claims she was lying. There's no reason to. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that your claims of her 'lying' are nothing but biased speculation. It's making false claims, it's a little baby conspiracy theory you're buying into.

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#397 Oct 14 2014 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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The whole thing feels like recreational outrage at this point to promote careers, draw page views and give an easy banner to raise for the social justice types (hey, who's pro-death threats towards women?). The Gawker column a week ago where you had a narrative building "What Is Gamergate?" weeks after most people had stopped caring reeked of this.

This isn't really about being anti-death threat. I mean, damn near everyone is anti-death threat. This is about building a narrative that "gamers" are misogynistic so, unless you're misogynistic as well, you need to choose a side. Misogyny drives a lot of page views (also great for Kickstarter donations). That's why every female developer threat gets headlines and male developer threats get crickets. Male developer threats degrade the narrative from misogyny to "Some people are internet lunatics who take games way too seriously but are mostly harmless and a recognized part of dealing in the nerd trades" which isn't quite as click-grabbing for Jezebel.

There wasn't a dozen "Gamers are Dead!" articles written about general internet dumbfuckery, they were all about how women developers were being threatened. Which doesn't excuse any of the threats or doxing or generally deviant behavior but if every point someone tries to raise about journalism or industry ethics* or whatever is going to get drowned out with "Death threats!" then people can at least be honest about what they're really selling. I don't mean Elinda here, mind you, but rather the media presence and the banner its carrying.

*I'll say again that I don't really give a shit about these topics either. No offense to those who do, it's just nothing that resonates with me. They're games, I play 'em, I move on to the next one. I buy 'em cheap so if they suck I just bitch about it in gaming threads and then move on to the next one.

Zam/Google filter can eat a sack of dongs.

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 10:13am by Jophiel
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#398 Oct 14 2014 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:

*I'll say again that I don't really give a shit about these topics either. No offense to those who do, it's just nothing that resonates with me. They're games, I play 'em, I move on to the next one. I buy 'em cheap so if they suck I just bitch about it in gaming threads and then move on to the next one.
=4 has to worry about page hits too.

If contribution to a name-calling debate about wimminz in gaming can keep the anonymous guest count up - I'm in!

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The word 'sack' really needs to go. It's offensive.
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#399 Oct 14 2014 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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A factual actual statement from a liar, and all doubt of her credibility being met with accusations of sexism, victim blaming, and defending death threats you mean.


Whatever your personal feelings are, is it not true that gamergate started because her ex posted a bunch of crap about her on his blog, trolls ran with it, & then she got death threats?

I don't think anyone on here supports death threats, nor do I think ethics in video game journalism is an issue that should be ignored. The PROBLEM, is that gamergate started as the kind of crazy misogynistic stuff that Elliot Rodger types believe about woman & that we know is dangerous. Yes, there has been a pivot to journalism ethics, but the loudest stuff continues to be crazy death threats against women.

There really is an issue with gamers/internet denizens & misogyny, just as there really is an issue with developer/publisher/journalists in gaming. Gamergate combines them, drowning out any legitimate points the rational side my have.
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#400 Oct 14 2014 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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#401 Oct 14 2014 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I doubt you do either.
I know she's instigated confrontations before and used the results as "evidence" of her claims about just how badly women are treated in the industry. I know that she's taken and used other people's material without permission nor credit for those videos you mentioned. I note that she's made a pretty common reaction from the community and turned it into a huge gender issue. So I think I've got at least a rudimentary grasp of her personality. However, I've yet to see any reason to believe her claims other than her lack of dangly bits.
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