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#27 Apr 02 2014 at 7:41 PM Rating: Default
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Interesting how that shouldn't matter unless you decide to dismiss the issue based on presumed audience size rather than address it directly.
It matters when the initial intent was to dismiss someone for their lack of knowledge of something when all the data was purposely withheld. Keep dancing, smashing you down is effortless fun.


I'm not the one who pinned his response to some talk show being local versus national though. So what? I'm supposed to provide full disclosure about the exact nature and audience of some funny thing I heard on the radio just on the off chance that someone might otherwise make a fool out of themselves? Yeah. Don't hold your breath waiting for that.
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#28 Apr 02 2014 at 7:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.
And then there's you.
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I'm not the one who pinned his response to some talk show being local versus national though.
Actually you did.
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It was on Sirius. So not a local progressive station. Kinda nationwide, in fact.
Which was in response to Joph guessing it was a local station you were listening to, which for anyone with even a smidge of literacy could see in your prior post of "the progressive station" would have as well. You're simply not smart enough to be clever, stick to what you know.

Eventually we'll figure out what that is, but you stick to it.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2014 9:45pm by lolgaxe
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gbaji wrote:
Interesting how that shouldn't matter unless you decide to dismiss the issue based on presumed audience size rather than address it directly.

I don't know that there is an "issue" aside from "guy said thing Gbaji thought was hypocritical" but I never addressed his audience size. I just said that I wasn't familiar with the station in question so couldn't say much beyond what you gave in details.

But, sure, rather than spend a lot of time on this, let's set aside everything else and I'll just say "Yeah, he's a big dumb hypocritical hypocrite-head". I'm fine with that.
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Um... /whoosh?

Liberals love to portray their positions as being derived by "the people", in contrast to Conservative views, which are supposedly imposed on us all by a small number of rich and powerful people.

Honestly, I have no clue what you're trying to argue here. If I saw some guy making the same argument on MSNBC, I wouldn't think "Wow, and here I thought MSNBC was funded by bake sales and recyclables drives!" Why on earth would I assume a radio station isn't run like 95% of the other radio stations just because the guy on there is saying some liberal stuff?

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They've just been fooled into thinking that "the rich" only side with conservatives. [...] Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.

I guess. Hell, I was so unaware of all the liberals being fooled into this that I forgot to be fooled into thinking it.
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#31 Apr 02 2014 at 8:14 PM Rating: Default
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lolgaxe wrote:
Which was in response to Joph guessing it was a local station you were listening to, which for anyone with even a smidge of literacy could see in your prior post of "the progressive station" would have as well.


So what? Joph chose to dismiss the talk guys words based on assumed audience size rather than defend or condemn the words themselves. That's on him. You're getting all butthurt because Joph's counter didn't work because I didn't tell him ahead of time that this was a nationally available talk show and not a local one. That's pretty darn silly.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2014 7:14pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
So what? Joph chose to dismiss the talk guys words based on assumed audience size rather than defend or condemn the words themselves.

I did?
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#33 Apr 02 2014 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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#34 Apr 02 2014 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're getting all butthurt because Joph's counter didn't work
Sweetheart, it was your counter. After that Joph just shrugged his shoulder while I made fun of your misfired attempt at deceit. You're not smart enough to be clever.
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#35 Apr 02 2014 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
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Um... /whoosh?

Liberals love to portray their positions as being derived by "the people", in contrast to Conservative views, which are supposedly imposed on us all by a small number of rich and powerful people.

Honestly, I have no clue what you're trying to argue here. If I saw some guy making the same argument on MSNBC, I wouldn't think "Wow, and here I thought MSNBC was funded by bake sales and recyclables drives!" Why on earth would I assume a radio station isn't run like 95% of the other radio stations just because the guy on there is saying some liberal stuff?


Wow! You're totally unable to grasp what I'm talking about. That's... amazing.

It's not about funding for the damn show Joph. OMFnG is it not. It's about the belief perpetuated among liberals that their "side" is about "the people", while conservatives are associated with "the rich". It's a constant theme. Hell, this idea is probably present in nearly every single political thread on this forum. It's something that liberals just assume, but rarely ever stop to think about.

Which is why a guy on a biased politically focused radio show, which everyone who stops and thinks about it should realize is funded by some big corporation owned/controlled by a smallish number of "rich people", can rail about how it's unfair for rich people to be able to use their money to influence people politically, and most of his audience wont realize the hypocrisy of what he's saying. Hell. I've explained it to you and you can't see it. I'm not saying that they don't intellectually know that it's rich people who own the station, but that they don't associate that with the message being said.


It's like Liberals calling Tea Party rallies "astroturf" and making fun of their hand written (and sometimes misspelled) signs, all the while praising rallies funded by big money donors with slick glossy signs and thousands of matching t-shirts. It's something that liberals just don't think about. It *should* be obvious that their "side" is just as funded by rich folks (possibly even more so really). But they don't seem to consciously recognize it. That's the point I'm making.

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They've just been fooled into thinking that "the rich" only side with conservatives. [...] Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.

I guess. Hell, I was so unaware of all the liberals being fooled into this that I forgot to be fooled into thinking it.


Apparently so.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2014 7:24pm by gbaji
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I have no idea what Gbaji is on about. What I said was:
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I don't know enough about your local progressive station to comment on whether his job is primarily to sell advertising spots or to influence voters...

Which meant just that. I mean, San Diego has enough people that I didn't think anyone would get twisted up about "local" must mean "tiny audience". But I had no idea if that the station was owned by some giant profit-driven media corp or if San Diego had some small, independently owned station that could theoretically be living off small donations in its non-profit quest to sway voters. I not only was uninformed about the local San Diego radio scene but I was also willing to admit to this. I see where that got me Smiley: laugh

But now that we know it's SiriusXM and owned by the same, I think we can safely eliminate "sway voters" as its primary goal.
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#37 Apr 02 2014 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Wow! You're totally unable to grasp what I'm talking about. That's... amazing.

I'm feeling pretty okay with that Smiley: laugh
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Which is why a guy on a biased politically focused radio show, which everyone who stops and thinks about it should realize is funded by some big corporation owned/controlled by a smallish number of "rich people", can rail about how it's unfair for rich people to be able to use their money to influence people politically, and most of his audience wont realize the hypocrisy of what he's saying.

Yeah, I have no idea who these "people" are. I'm just going off my own notions here but I never assumed this. I don't know why you think all these other "people" assume this. I suspect you have no clue what anyone thinks on this but you've created this illusion in your head that there's masses of liberals assuming that the SiriusXM station isn't owned by "rich people" so they'll just miss this "hypocrisy". I also think you're a little deluded on what SiriusXM Progress means to the powers that be at SiriusXM headquarters.

But, yeah, sure... lots of "liberals" out there totally ignorant of how this guy is a "hypocrite" and that's totally lulz. Got it. We good now?
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#38 Apr 02 2014 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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I'm feeling pretty okay with that Smiley: laugh
Which apparently means you're suicidal with grief over it.
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#39 Apr 02 2014 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.
How so? You don't get your news from anywhere, remember?

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Liberals love to portray their positions as being derived by "the people", in contrast to Conservative views, which are supposedly imposed on us all by a small number of rich and powerful people.
Semi-related...(I'll find the link later). I was reading an article which stated the primary difference between the Left and Right in the US boiled down to "Conservatives core focus is family and country, anything outside of those two are of little interest. The Liberals, in contrast, care about all people more or les equally, hence their support for social safety nets."
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#40 Apr 03 2014 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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One is a bowl of crap and the other is a dish of turds. The most fun is pointing it out and certain people foaming at the mouth that their **** don't stink.
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#41 Apr 03 2014 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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One is a bowl of crap and the other is a dish of turds.

Don't forget the poo-poo platter.
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#42 Apr 03 2014 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's about the belief perpetuated among liberals that their "side" is about "the people", while conservatives are associated with "the rich". It's a constant theme. Hell, this idea is probably present in nearly every single political thread on this forum. It's something that liberals just assume, but rarely ever stop to think about.


There's a subtlety here that you're missing (I know, right? Amazing).

The sides don't line up strictly along haves and have-nots, obviously. Lots of poor people are conservatives, against their own interests; lots of rich people are liberal, against their own interests.

The battle lines are drawn up between those who would perpetrate class warfare, many of whom are cannon fodder, and those who would not, many of whom would stand to benefit from the war.

Your point of view seems to be predicated on everyone knowing and acting on their own best interest. That doesn't always happen.
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gbaji wrote:
Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.
How so? You don't get your news from anywhere, remember?

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Liberals love to portray their positions as being derived by "the people", in contrast to Conservative views, which are supposedly imposed on us all by a small number of rich and powerful people.
Semi-related...(I'll find the link later). I was reading an article which stated the primary difference between the Left and Right in the US boiled down to "Conservatives core focus is family and country, anything outside of those two are of little interest. The Liberals, in contrast, care about all people more or les equally, hence their support for social safety nets."


Conservatives are raised to think if they believe something hard enough, it becomes true. They tend to be older folks because they want so badly to believe the world hasn't changed, and isn't changing, and that "tried and true" methods are the way to go. In the real world, this is equivalent to saying something like "We don't need to potty train our child. Diapers have worked just fine all these years and will continue to work for decades to come."

"Liberals" are pretty much anyone at all who deviate from this mentality, apparently.

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Conservatives be all like "Erm, hi. I believe in a strong middle class, thank you" but liberals are all like "Yo baby, I believe in a strong middle class, you groove?"
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#46 Apr 03 2014 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
They also seem to think that their own personal beliefs trump all fact, laws, and reason.

That's great if someone wants to live forever in Plato's cave, but it doesn't fly in reality.
#47 Apr 03 2014 at 1:26 PM Rating: Default
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I have no idea what Gbaji is on about. What I said was:
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I don't know enough about your local progressive station to comment on whether his job is primarily to sell advertising spots or to influence voters...

Which meant just that. I mean, San Diego has enough people that I didn't think anyone would get twisted up about "local" must mean "tiny audience". But I had no idea if that the station was owned by some giant profit-driven media corp or if San Diego had some small, independently owned station that could theoretically be living off small donations in its non-profit quest to sway voters. I not only was uninformed about the local San Diego radio scene but I was also willing to admit to this. I see where that got me Smiley: laugh

But now that we know it's SiriusXM and owned by the same, I think we can safely eliminate "sway voters" as its primary goal.


That makes no sense at all. The company that purchased the broadcast license (or slot in the Sirius channel lineup) is selling air time. But clearly the purpose of the guy talking on the radio on that show is to sway voters. Someone, somewhere, is paying money for that guy to express his political views. That they're *also* trying to make a profit while doing so is tangential.


My point, which you seem to keep wanting to wander off of, is that for the person speaking, who is paid to express political positions on the radio, presumably by a largish corporation, and who just a minute earlier advocated for a very specific election objective, to argue that spending money to influence elections is a violation of the core principles of democracy and should be opposed, was laughably hypocritical. He was literally doing exactly that which he was telling his listeners to fight against.

Forgive me for finding that humorous.
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#48 Apr 03 2014 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Someone, somewhere, is paying money for that guy to express his political views.
Probably a wizard.
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That makes no sense at all. The company that purchased the broadcast license (or slot in the Sirius channel lineup) is selling air time.

You have no idea how it works. SiriusXM owns "Progress" and pays to produce and broadcast it. Amazingly, this isn't because of the deep liberal agenda of SiriusXM but because they feel it will return more in subscribers than it costs to produce.
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That they're *also* trying to make a profit while doing so is tangential.

That they make a profit is the only reason he has a job, period. If he was giving movie reviews or conservative talking points or cookie recipes or singing show tunes, SiriusXM wouldn't give a sh*t so long as it brought in subscribers. SiriusXM Progress exists purely because someone at SiriusXM felt that, if it didn't, an unacceptable percentage of people who want to listen to liberal talk radio would tune into terrestrial radio instead and stop subscribing. That's it. You really have no idea how business works?
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My point...

Yeah, I got your point. I didn't see the humor in it, not for partisan reasons but just because you fumbled all over it not understanding how radio works. Well, that and "political guy on radio says something supposedly hypocritical" isn't exactly news.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2014 2:40pm by Jophiel
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If I don't want Coca-Cola or each of the Koch brothers to spend a gajillion dollars getting their boy into office, I'm not allowed to spend money to say that on the radio or I'm a hypocrite?

Huh.
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Yeah, I got your point. I didn't see the humor in it, not for partisan reasons but just because you fumbled all over it not understanding how radio works. Well, that and "political guy on radio says something supposedly hypocritical" isn't exactly news
I thought that was sort of the starting assumption for talk radio.
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