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#52 Mar 15 2014 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
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What I would do? I dunno. I am not sure I know anyone who could honestly answer that with a full confidence that words would be followed with action.


How is it that you are able to do so for the girl's father, but unable to do the same for the boy's father?
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What I would do? I dunno. I am not sure I know anyone who could honestly answer that with a full confidence that words would be followed with action.


How is it that you are able to do so for the girl's father, but unable to do the same for the boy's father?


Hmm? I do not know that either. All I am saying is that, given the circumstances, the actions are justified,

Would *I* do the same? I do not know, but I understand.
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#54 Mar 15 2014 at 5:33 PM Rating: Default
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Hmm? I do not know that either. All I am saying is that, given the circumstances, the actions are justified,

Would *I* do the same? I do not know, but I understand.


So, do you understand that the boy's father would legitimately see the situation differently based on the same facts? Do you believe his feelings are justified given the same circumstances?

Edited, Mar 16th 2014 1:33am by Almalieque
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Hmm? I do not know that either. All I am saying is that, given the circumstances, the actions are justified,

Would *I* do the same? I do not know, but I understand.


So, do you understand that the boy's father would legitimately see the situation differently based on the same facts? Do you believe his feelings are justified given the same circumstances?

Edited, Mar 16th 2014 1:33am by Almalieque


I am not completely heartless. Yes, and I even see where you are going with it, so you might as well go for it.

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I am not completely heartless. Yes, and I even see where you are going with it, so you might as well go for it.


Since you claim not to be completely heartless, please explain what legitimate (i.e., unbiased) contradictory view that the boy's parents would have if the girl's father's actions were justified.

Note: I'm not talking about his parents simply being emotional, but an actual contradicting view of the situation.
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So, would you feel the same if that were your son that was killed?

Wrongful death civil suit! Ca-Ching!
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I am not completely heartless. Yes, and I even see where you are going with it, so you might as well go for it.


Since you claim not to be completely heartless, please explain what legitimate (i.e., unbiased) contradictory view that the boy's parents would have if the girl's father's actions were justified.

Note: I'm not talking about his parents simply being emotional, but an actual contradicting view of the situation.


Boy's Parent A: "That damn no good kid .. I told him, wazzit, I told a million billion times not to go there. But did he lissen? No, he was always a stupid basterd. Good riddance. *spits*":

Boy's Parent B: "Where am I? Who are those people and where is my horse?"

Boy's Parent C: "Huh?"

Boy's Pared D: "Ca-ching" (totally stoled it - sorry Joph)

Hardly biased and completely legitimate. The parents may just be too stupid, drunk, or both to notice that the kid is doing something stupid*.

*being 17 and stupid is often synonymous.

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That's a sticky situation. Depending where this guy lived he may or may not get charged for it. By Ohio law they have a law that allows you to stand your ground in your home. IF your outside of your home you have to give the person a chance to flee before you can fire on them however inside if they are breaking in you have every right to fire upon them.

Obviously in this case the guy wasn't breaking in however the daughter lied and told the father she didn't know the man. IF the guy did indeed try to reach for something that also gives you more grounds to open fire because for all the father knew he was going to pull a weapon out and try to harm him or his daughter (especially since he all ready thinks this guy is a rapist.)

I would think before he actually pulled the trigger his daughter would have told him to stop that it was indeed her BF but then again it could have happened so fast maybe not. Sounds like if charges are filed there should be some against her as well since she kinda set the whole situation up.

ITs a bad situation but no matter how laws are written there are always going to be those situations that slip through the cracks that make you ponder how well a law is written. I mean what do you do remove the law? Then when a rapist does enter her room with a weapon you can't defend her?
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I would think before he actually pulled the trigger his daughter would have told him to stop that it was indeed her BF but then again it could have happened so fast maybe not. Sounds like if charges are filed there should be some against her as well since she kinda set the whole situation up.


You think a father/daughter combo are going to fold on one another over a dead high school fling?
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Criminally negligent homicide.

At least. I don't doubt there's a call/text trail between the two kids leading to the boyfriend's arrival. To denounce him when caught in the act does seem a bit criminal, eh?


What a *****.

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#63 Mar 15 2014 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm sure there's some way more guns could have prevented this from happening.
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If the kid had been armed, he could have shot the dad and claimed self defense.

See? more guns would have solved all the problems.
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#65 Mar 16 2014 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
I feel like we're just shuffling the corpses on the Titanic, here. Surely guns can solve this is a non-violent way?
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Boy's Parent A: "That damn no good kid .. I told him, wazzit, I told a million billion times not to go there. But did he lissen? No, he was always a stupid basterd. Good riddance. *spits*":

Boy's Parent B: "Where am I? Who are those people and where is my horse?"

Boy's Parent C: "Huh?"

Boy's Pared D: "Ca-ching" (totally stoled it - sorry Joph)

Hardly biased and completely legitimate. The parents may just be too stupid, drunk, or both to notice that the kid is doing something stupid*.

*being 17 and stupid is often synonymous.


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So, do you understand that the boy's father would legitimately see the situation differently based on the same facts? Do you believe his feelings are justified given the same circumstances?


What facts from the scenario supports your claim? I can create a Romeo and Juliet story as well where the father says that if he catches her with that boy again, then "he's a dead man". However, none of that is supported by the evidence that we know.

So, do you or do you not see how the boy's parents would legitimately see the SAME situation differently based on the same facts?

Why the "Ca-ching"? Are you referring to receiving some sort of money? Where is this money coming from and why?
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I'm sure there's some way more guns could have prevented this from happening.


If the Father had given his daughter a gun and trained her to use it, then when he walked in and saw the boy alive, he would've known they knew each other.
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I'm sure there's some way more guns could have prevented this from happening.


If the Father had given his daughter a gun and trained her to use it, then when he walked in and saw the boy alive, he would've known they knew each other.


Not unless the boy also had a gun/weapon. It could have been a stand off. If the trained girl had no experience, she could easily be terrified and slow to react, giving the boy the upper hand.
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From a legal standpoint, the shooting is justified.

I'd not have done the same, as I don't keep a gun handy to fend off would-be daughter rapists.





Edited, Mar 16th 2014 7:46pm by Elinda
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The little girl lied and the boy is dead. She should be in prison for manslaughter, and her father for second degree murder. If there is phone record showing she invited him over then it isn't homesteading or w/e the lame law is, it is homicide.

Edited, Mar 16th 2014 1:48pm by rdmcandie
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The little girl lied and the boy is dead. She should be in prison for manslaughter, and her father for second degree murder. If there is phone record showing she invited him over then it isn't homesteading or w/e the lame law is, it is homicide.

Edited, Mar 16th 2014 1:48pm by rdmcandie
No she shouldn't be in prison for lying to her father.

It's a really sad situation. I'd chalk it up to over-dependence on a fire arm to keep one safe, ignorant paranoia bravado and adolescent sex drive all coming together at a coincidental moment to end a kid's life.

Stupid, stupid. Smiley: oyvey

Also, the phone record of a minor is meaningless. It's not her house.

Edited, Mar 16th 2014 7:55pm by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
From a legal standpoint, the shooting is justified.

So why all the hoopla over blade runner? If the rule is "every shooting from a paranoid shooter is justified", then why ever argue against "self defense" or "stand your ground"? No matter how ridiculous the situation is, if you somehow tell yourself that you are in some danger, then you are justified.
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Elinda wrote:
From a legal standpoint, the shooting is justified.

So why all the hoopla over blade runner? If the rule is "every shooting from a paranoid shooter is justified", then why ever argue against "self defense" or "stand your ground"? No matter how ridiculous the situation is, if you somehow tell yourself that you are in some danger, then you are justified.


Because he invited his girlfriend over to his house and knew she was there...?
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Elinda wrote:
From a legal standpoint, the shooting is justified.

So why all the hoopla over blade runner? If the rule is "every shooting from a paranoid shooter is justified", then why ever argue against "self defense" or "stand your ground"? No matter how ridiculous the situation is, if you somehow tell yourself that you are in some danger, then you are justified.


Because he invited his girlfriend over to his house and knew she was there...?


Thats different from inviting your bf over and watching your dad shoot him how?

I guess lying about him being your bf is the big difference. I hope authorities find a text message that says "come on over" because seriously **** both of these people.
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#75 Mar 16 2014 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thats different from inviting your bf over and watching your dad shoot him how?


She didn't invite him over then shoot him.

I didn't say a thing about the daughter having lied. Alma asked why there was a "big hoopla" over the "Blade Runner guy" shooting his girlfriend when the father shooting someone he told was an intruder is legal. That's all I was answering. Get your panties back out of that wad, friend.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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From a legal standpoint, the shooting is justified.

So why all the hoopla over blade runner? If the rule is "every shooting from a paranoid shooter is justified", then why ever argue against "self defense" or "stand your ground"? No matter how ridiculous the situation is, if you somehow tell yourself that you are in some danger, then you are justified.


Because he invited his girlfriend over to his house and knew she was there...?


The shooting didn't occur because he was in the room, but because he "reached for something". The father felt a threat and started shooting, just like blade runner, Zimmerman and Dunn did. My point is that if a person is authorized to use deadly force, then they should be expected to accurately evaluate the situation first. If you are unsure of the situation, then you should call 911, like most people do and let the police do what they are trained and paid to do.

The situation fails the common sense test. I say again, if that were his wife in the bed with another man (during his normal working hours) or his son in the bed with a girl, people wouldn't view it the same way.
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