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#1 May 01 2012 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the one hand, I understand how joking about racism gives people carte blanche to say some pretty hateful sh*t on the grounds of humor. This board is a prime example of that, although I know many of us are mature enough to realize that this sh*t wouldn't fly in the real world.

On the other hand, censoring this sort of behavior would significantly cut down on pillow talk in the JoFleael household. Smiley: dubious

It is, however, a new way to think about an old issue which I thought was interesting. I have had people that I have met in RL that have said some truly alarming racist crap in the guise of making a joke, or even honestly seemed to be peeved that they didn't "get" to use the n-word. Here's the part that very much resonated with me (bolding in body mine):

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Here's the thing about jokes. They only work when they're aiming up. I wrote this in another piece recently, but I'm just going to plagiarize myself: People in positions of power simply cannot make jokes at the expense of the powerless. That's why, at a company party, you never have a roast where the CEO is roasting the janitor ("Isn't it funny how Steve can barely feed his family? This guy knows what I'm talking about!" [points to other janitor]). Because that would be GROSS, and both janitors would have to work late to clean up everyone's barf. Open-mic comedians, I know you think you're part of some fresh vanguard in alternative comedy who just discovered that a lot of black ladies don't like it when you touch their hair, but pleeeeeeease just stick to stuff about how your stupid girlfriend is a bitch. (Just kidding. Please never speak again.)
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That's the sort of rule the powerless come up with. Like white chick bloggers.

Really, she lost me with "It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs". Which was her very first point.
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That article basically alternated between truisms, and incorrectly labeling things racist.
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You can make jokes "down", but they can't be broad brush jokes. If you have a co-worker who always makes jokes about him/her self and how they are poor/stupid/ugly, you can then make your own jokes. Just don't go beyond what the person already did. That doesn't give you the right to make generic poor/stupid/ugly jokes about entire sections of the populace.
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Really, she lost me with "It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs". Which was her very first point.
I wasn't going to read the article, but now I feel compelled to do so.

Edit: There was a list. Smiley: laugh

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=4 is based on the principle of making jokes down. 'Cause fuck anyone newer, with a lower post count or who plays a different game than me.
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"It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs".
Only one I can think of immediately is Gin & Juice by The Gourds, and it's kind of hilarious putting a country twang to rap lyrics.
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I watched a documentary about "nerdcore" rapper MC Front-a-lot a while back and there were some girls talking about how racist it was for some white guy to make rap songs about nerdy topics. Didn't he know that rap was the sole providence of the black community and making rap songs about video games or science was tearing down all the great things rap has accomplished?

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TL;DR: All white people are racist. Smiley: nod

Not true, I hate all people regardless of melanin level in their skin.
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I watched a documentary about "nerdcore" rapper MC Front-a-lot a while back and there were some girls talking about how racist it was for some white guy to make rap songs about nerdy topics. Didn't he know that rap was the sole providence of the black community and making rap songs about video games or science was tearing down all the great things rap has accomplished?
What was the name of the documentary? Was it solely about him or was his a segment on a larger documentary?
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What the heck did I just read? And why the heck is she so obsessed with black people? Smiley: confused
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I think it was called Nerdcore Rising. It was solely about him and his first tour and the idea of nerdcore in general (which I realize isn't "solely" about him but they didn't spend time on anyone else). It used to be on Netflix Streaming once upon a time and I watched it one slow afternoon.

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People in positions of power simply cannot make jokes at the expense of the powerless

That's the sort of rule the powerless come up with. Like white chick bloggers.

Really, she lost me with "It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs". Which was her very first point.
The first point is by far her shakiest, but are you saying that she is making the rules, or advocating? I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity. Also, I'm sure you are being a smart aleck yourself. Forum=4 is no way to look at life.

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TL;DR: All white people are racist. Smiley: nod

I don't think y'all can help it.

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That article basically alternated between truisms, and incorrectly labeling things racist.

Interesting. Which things?

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You can make jokes "down", but they can't be broad brush jokes. If you have a co-worker who always makes jokes about him/her self and how they are poor/stupid/ugly, you can then make your own jokes. Just don't go beyond what the person already did.
That is staggeringly incorrect.
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And why the heck is she so obsessed with black people? Smiley: confused
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I think it was called Nerdcore Rising. It was solely about him and his first tour and the idea of nerdcore in general (which I realize isn't "solely" about him but they didn't spend time on anyone else). It used to be on Netflix Streaming once upon a time and I watched it one slow afternoon.
It's still there, it seems. That'll kill a couple hours tomorrow.
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Fogelberg for his hip-hop song.

Also, I'll spell Fogelberg correctly next time.


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I think the irony here is that the author seems to be unable to shift her mindset away from the very same racially biased assumptions that she's arguing against in the article. She assumes that thugs are black, that going to IHOP or seedy bars has something to do with race, and that certain styles of clothes, music, whatever are all automatically associated with race and that all minorities are automatically offended if someone wears a style that she's decided is associated with them. Um... wow. Just wow.


She's got a minor point about the joke thing. But I'll add another: White people who feign outrage and solidarity at such things by writing blatantly racist articles like this one. Just as bad as any joke in the same vein IMO.
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"Janitor Bob is poor... haha!" is just a bad joke.

What if Janitor Bob owned a pet rat he kept photos of in his janitorial closet? Would be wrong to make a few jokes about the janitor being on the side of the building's rats just because the joker made more money?
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Folgelburg for his hip-hop song.
Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation due to their long history of being oppressed by the dominant, predominantly black hip-hop culture? Sure, that makes sense. Smiley: rolleyes
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"Janitor Bob is poor... haha!" is just a bad joke.

What if Janitor Bob owned a pet rat he kept photos of in his janitorial closet? Would be wrong to make a few jokes about the janitor being on the side of the building's rats just because the joker made more money?


I think if "Janitor Bob" loved drawing but was a terrible artist, you could make jokes about his poor artwork, because in that case you're not superior to him. I guess the pet rat thing would be similar to that, so roasting "Janitor Bob" and pulling out a pack of rat traps would be perfectly acceptable.
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And why the heck is she so obsessed with black people? Smiley: confused
Once you go black ...


Apparently. I guess it just throws me for loop when I read something that seems so focused on the black vs. white thing.

Go figure... Smiley: rolleyes
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Jophiel wrote:
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Fogelberg for his hip-hop song.

Also, I'll spell Fogelberg correctly next time.

The inclusion of Crazy Train in a rap song is by far the most egregious example I think I've ever come across.

First they took away the n-word, and now Ozzy!
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Folgelburg for his hip-hop song.
Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation due to their long history of being oppressed by the dominant, predominantly black hip-hop culture? Sure, that makes sense. Smiley: rolleyes


So black people are incapable of writing or performing music that isn't about some kind of racial struggle for equality? Maybe I missed the hidden racial struggle message in "Baby Got Back", but I'm thinking that the very assumption you're making is part of the problem and not part of the solution. Heaven forbid people of different skin colors find things in common to share or anything.
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Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation...

In the 70's, sadly yes Smiley: laugh

These sorts of things always turn into "You guys have all these rules about things you can't do. These guys can do whatever they want." Then there's confusion and anger about why this doesn't work out.
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Folgelburg for his hip-hop song.
Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation due to their long history of being oppressed by the dominant, predominantly black hip-hop culture? Sure, that makes sense. Smiley: rolleyes


So black people are incapable of writing or performing music that isn't about some kind of racial struggle for equality? Maybe I missed the hidden racial struggle message in "Baby Got Back", but I'm thinking that the very assumption you're making is part of the problem and not part of the solution. Heaven forbid people of different skin colors find things in common to share or anything.


"Baby Got Back" is about the black man's chubby chaser's epic struggle to overthrow the yoke of Cosmopolitan's decade's long discrimination against voluptuous women.

DUH!
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That article basically alternated between truisms, and incorrectly labeling things racist.

Interesting. Which things?


I'll do a quick copypaste and work through 'em:

I feel like the entire introductory paragraph goes without saying, more or less.

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This category includes things like wide-eyed acoustic covers of hip-hop songs, suburban white girls flashing gang signs, and this Tweet from Zooey Deschanel: "Haha. :) RT @Sarabareilles: Home from tour and first things first: New Girl episodes I missed. #thuglife." See, it's hilarious, because we aren't thugs—we are darling girls, and real thugs are black people who do crime! Oh, hey, can I call you back? I need to sew more ric-rac on my apron. I hope a black person didn't get into my ric-rac Kaboodle and steal all of it! JK, LOL. RIP, Whitney.


This isn't racist, by any measure. It's ironic, certainly, but racist? Is it implying that people of another race are worse? Generally speaking, no, I don't think so. And, of course, rap and hip hop aren't inherently "black", nor is "thuggishness". It looks like the author had to add her own flourish at the end to try to make it seem racist.

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Wherein privileged people descend for a visit inside the strange, foreign spaces of othered groups. Like, I don't know, IHOP. Or that "scary" bar in the south end.


Nothing inherently about race here, either. I mean, it's tangential to instances of racism (like if the bar is "scary" solely because it's got a bunch of black people in it). Even then, I'd be careful about whether it's racist...if you're surrounded by a bunch of folk that you're different from, it's natural to feel a bit out of place. Her point is tangential to a logical point about racism, but it'd be an obvious point even if she were she to make it.

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This is Lesley Arfin crowing about the majestic power of the n-word, and white kids whining that it's "unfair" that black people "get" to use "it". You know, because words are powerful and words are Arfin's craft and would you take the color red away from the best painter on Twitter??? And besides, don't you just find Arfin to be so RAW and DELICIOUSLY NAUGHTY? It's all tied up with the deliberately obtuse people who conflate "freedom of speech" with "immunity from criticism." You "can" say the n-word. Go ahead and say it if you want, Skrillex. And I will go ahead and give you the world's most sidewaysiest eyeball forever. Because it hurts people. Why do you want to hurt people?


Nothing in here is racist, with the possible exception of the Lesley Arfin thing, which I'm unfamiliar with. That people are free to say the N-word, and that other people are free to subsequently judge them for it, strikes me as pretty obvious.

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Okay, I get what you're trying to do here—having some fun at the expense of the oppressors while setting yourself up as one of the "cool" white people—but mainly what you end up doing is implying that black people don't like informative radio or TED talks. Stuff White People Like: having the best brains! Isn't it great that we can make fun of ourselves while still reminding you that we're better than you?


Granted, I've looked at Stuff White People like exactly once ever, but as far as I can tell, since it's not called "Stuff Black People Don't Like", this doesn't stand to reason.

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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Folgelburg for his hip-hop song.
Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation due to their long history of being oppressed by the dominant, predominantly black hip-hop culture? Sure, that makes sense. Smiley: rolleyes


So black people are incapable of writing or performing music that isn't about some kind of racial struggle for equality? Maybe I missed the hidden racial struggle message in "Baby Got Back", but I'm thinking that the very assumption you're making is part of the problem and not part of the solution. Heaven forbid people of different skin colors find things in common to share or anything.


"Baby Got Back" is about the black man's chubby chaser's epic struggle to overthrow the yoke of Cosmopolitan's decade's long discrimination against voluptuous women.

DUH!


Crap! Ok. You got me there.
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gbaji wrote:
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I read it more as advocacy, despite the frankly overdone smartalecky tone (I guess I have learned to tune that out over the years). She isn't saying she herself takes offense, but that the culture who owns that expression may do so, and it's best to err on the side of sensitivity.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some black dude samples Dan Folgelburg for his hip-hop song.
Because Dan Fogelberg's music is the way his race expressed decades of anger and self-affirmation due to their long history of being oppressed by the dominant, predominantly black hip-hop culture? Sure, that makes sense. Smiley: rolleyes


So black people are incapable of writing or performing music that isn't about some kind of racial struggle for equality? Maybe I missed the hidden racial struggle message in "Baby Got Back", but I'm thinking that the very assumption you're making is part of the problem and not part of the solution. Heaven forbid people of different skin colors find things in common to share or anything.

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From what I can gather the author wasn't interested in the "I'm not hiring you because you're black" kind of racism. More-so the "I'm unintentionally (or intentionally) doing things that may make you uncomfortable and/or unwittingly put you at a comparative disadvantage somehow" kind of racism. The latter could probably get it's own thread on whether or not that's actually "racism" I suppose.


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Hey! That's a black phrase. Stop being intentionally unintentionally racist! Or is it unintentionally intentionally racist?
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From what I can gather the author wasn't interested in the "I'm not hiring you because you're black" kind of racism. More-so the "I'm unintentionally (or intentionally) doing things that may make you uncomfortable and/or unwittingly put you at a comparative disadvantage somehow" kind of racism. The latter could probably get it's own thread on whether or not that's actually "racism" I suppose.


Hmm...I don't see how some of the stuff that she listed would fall under that. White kids covering hip-hop songs shouldn't make black folks uncomfortable, if it even does. Going to slummy bars doesn't put black people at a comparative disadvantage.

Racist jokes, or white people using the N-word can make people uncomfortable, so there's that. But where do we go from there? She doesn't like that, I gather, but she seems to be aware of the fact that freedom of speech trumps anyone's indignation. And I don't think she has anything thought provoking to say about that particular part of the issue. She thinks that comedians shouldn't tell racist jokes. That's gonna be a tough sell.
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Hmm...I don't see how some of the stuff that she listed would fall under that. White kids covering hip-hop songs shouldn't make black folks uncomfortable, if it even does. Going to slummy bars doesn't put black people at a comparative disadvantage.


I think (key word there) she was referring to that rather awkward phase most people go through when they are "experiencing" another culture, especially early on. A lot of things get said and done during that time, mostly out of ignorance or over-exuberance or something, that just don't cross boundaries well. Trying to be something you're not and bragging about it is more what I think she was getting at (just to choose one example). Something simple like talking endlessly about how "authentic" that Thai place was or something can have that effect at times.

Is that racism? I don't know, but it certainly doesn't help matters.

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Racist jokes, or white people using the N-word can make people uncomfortable, so there's that. But where do we go from there? She doesn't like that, I gather, but she seems to be aware of the fact that freedom of speech trumps anyone's indignation. And I don't think she has anything thought provoking to say about that particular part of the issue.


Yeah nothing much thought provoking there, other than the "you aren't being as subtle as you think you are and I know what you're really thinking" kind of thing I guess? Girl stuff... Smiley: disappointed

She really found an immature way to discuss a sensitive topic I suppose? Smiley: rolleyes

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People in positions of power simply cannot make jokes at the expense of the powerless

That's the sort of rule the powerless come up with. Like white chick bloggers.

Really, she lost me with "It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs". Which was her very first point.


I work in IT. It's not only expected, it is in fact a job requirement to mock the unfortunates who call for their second, third, or even fourth file restoration of the same file in the same day. How else are they supposed to learn!

And yes, that does happen with depressing regularity.

It's always the same 4 people too.
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#41 May 01 2012 at 7:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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People in positions of power simply cannot make jokes at the expense of the powerless

That's the sort of rule the powerless come up with. Like white chick bloggers.

Really, she lost me with "It's racist to make white-people covers of hip-hop songs". Which was her very first point.



I get what she's getting at, kinda. It is pretty tacky to co-opt someone else's culture because you're not creative enough to, you know, write your own Shit. And if you're going to do a wispy, ethereal interpretation of gangster rap, I'm probably going to laugh myself silly at you, imaginary white vocal stylist with a laughably naive mission.

On the other hand, I've had lively discussions with people who believe that, for example, David Byrne and Paul Simon are exploiting poor, helpless, beleaguered members of other cultures by going to their countries and working with them. (My opinion is that this is not exploitation as long as everyone is paid and acknowledged, if that's not clear.)

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#42 May 01 2012 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
Nope, people of other cultures are exploited the moment you see them. Really in order to be safe, they should just stay in their houses.

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It is pretty tacky to co-opt someone else's culture because you're not creative enough to, you know, write your own Shit.

As I said, for every "ironic" white-boy rap song cover, there's probably a dozen hip-hop tracks sampling songs by white artists rather than being creative enough to write their own shit.
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#44 May 01 2012 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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But that's OK because white people don't have a culture to exploit. So, it's only racist going the other way!
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I get what she's getting at, kinda. It is pretty tacky to co-opt someone else's culture because you're not creative enough to, you know, write your own Shit.

In America? Smiley: dubious
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White people used to burn black churches, so I think it is only fair that black people should be allowed to burn down the House of Blues.
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White people used to burn black churches, so I think it is only fair that black people should be allowed to burn down the House of Blues.

If they leave the HoB, I'll give them the Aragon and the Metro.
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From what I can gather the author wasn't interested in the "I'm not hiring you because you're black" kind of racism. More-so the "I'm unintentionally (or intentionally) doing things that may make you uncomfortable and/or unwittingly put you at a comparative disadvantage somehow" kind of racism. The latter could probably get it's own thread on whether or not that's actually "racism" I suppose.


I think in some part, she was trying to refer to the exoticsizing(sp?) of other cultures. It goes along with the idea that "just because you put me on a pedestal doesn't make you not sexist" thing. I'm not exactly sure how to explain it, but basically the idea is that you can compliment something and still be discriminatory against someone. Kind of like the whole "Asians are good at math!" or "Black women have such pretty hair!" or "Women are so nurturing!" While the person's intent may be good, lumping groups together like that is still racist/sexist. The easiest way to turn that around is to make it about the particular person, not about how they represent their "group" as a whole. But it also can depend on how enthusiastic you get as well.

For example, a few weeks back, I have a black lady in my store with braided hair. The customer in front of her, while I was checking her out, and the black lady was waiting in line, started going off on how amazing her hair was. She started asking her all these questions about how the lady got her hair braided like that, and how neat looking it was, etc. The black lady seemed a little uncomfortable, but she was very polite and gracious and answered the other woman's questions. Then it got really awkward when the other lady started talking about how she should do her daughter's hair like that to piss off her ex, because he's racist. I did a mental face palm there.

It may not be as insidious as other sorts of racism, but that doesn't make it less wrong. In some ways, it's worse because people don't realize they're being racist, and because it's socially acceptable. I think that's the basic point the author is making. She doesn't do the best job of it or sure, but that's how I read the article when I found it a few days back. I do agree that saying that white people can't/shouldn't rap or sing the blues, is perhaps going a bit overboard. However, how often do you see white people singing Latin music? I remember Christina Aguilera getting flack for making a Spanish album, because people either didn't know or had forgotten that she's actually half Hispanic. She just really doesn't look it. Having a white person try and sing Latin music would seem pretty ridiculous.
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White people used to burn black churches, so I think it is only fair that black people should be allowed to burn down the House of Blues.

If they leave the HoB, I'll give them the Aragon and the Metro.

I'll toss in the Riviera. That place is a death trap waiting to happen anyway.
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