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#1 Apr 12 2012 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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So this happened, more or less:

Hilary Rosen: Ann Romney has never worked a day in her life.

Ann Rombey: Oh yeah? I CHOSE to work at home and raise five boys!

Audience: Ooooooh!

Hilary Rosen: Okay maybe I didn't mean it quite like that. I'm sorry.

Dems: Wait a minute, so you believe women deserve choices, Mrs. Romney? SO DO WE!

Catholic League: Haha, Ann Romney's a real woman, unlike that ******* Rosen who had to ADOPT her kids.

Audience: *gasp*

Mothers of adopted children: What the ****? I thought the Catholic church was pro-adoption!

Conclusion: Ann Romney is pro-choice and the Catholic church is now anti-adoption.
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#2 Apr 12 2012 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rosen made some inartful comments that were stupid from the very basic premise that attacking a candidate's wife is rarely fruitful. They were stupid but I doubt a single person on this forum had even heard of her prior to last night.

The Republicans are grasping onto this because they're getting creamed in the "War on Women" arena and need any lifeline they can grab, even if it's just throwing a hissy fit over something stupid a random Democratic strategist said.
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#3 Apr 12 2012 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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They were stupid but I doubt a single person on this forum had even heard of her prior to last night.
I doubt she'll be remembered after this thread devolves into whatever talking point is brought up in the next few hours.
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#4 Apr 12 2012 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not familiar with the Catholic League, but I hardly think that they speak for the Catholic Church.
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Are we at the point yet where someone's clueless long-lost relative stumbles in and says something incredibly sexist about bikinis and jello wrestling?

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 12:38pm by someproteinguy
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#6 Apr 12 2012 at 1:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unlike Rosen, who had to adopt kids, Ann raised 5 of her own.

Ermmm... hrm. Hmm. Smiley: dubious

Hey, I see these are the same guys who flipped their shit over The Golden Compass.
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#7 Apr 12 2012 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Romney's wife and that her comments were intended to criticize Mitt Romney's use of Ann as an "expert on women and the economy."


Is Romney's wife actually in some kind of advisor's position, or is this just something Mitt said about her as a compliment?
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#8 Apr 12 2012 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see anything in her portfolio that would make her an expert on either but I'm not the one setting the adviser's bar in Romney's campaign.
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#9 Apr 12 2012 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ann Romney wrote:
My career choice was to be a mother. And I think all of us need to know that we need to respect choices that women make. Other women make other choices, to have a career and raise a family, which I think Hilary Rosen has actually done herself. I respect that. That's wonderful. But you know, there are other people that have a choice. We have to respect women in all those choices that they make.


...as long as those choices match up to what we think is appropriate for women to make.
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Jophiel wrote:
Rosen made some inartful comments that were stupid from the very basic premise that attacking a candidate's wife is rarely fruitful. They were stupid but I doubt a single person on this forum had even heard of her prior to last night.

The Republicans are grasping onto this because they're getting creamed in the "War on Women" arena and need any lifeline they can grab, even if it's just throwing a hissy fit over something stupid a random Democratic strategist said.


You'd have a point, except that pretty much the entire "War on Women" arena was built by random Democratic strategists whom most of us have never heard of and couldn't name if our lives depended on it. Yet we all know the message, don't we? If journalists are going to put these people on their shows as a means of raising awareness of the issue (and presumably influencing public perception about it), then those people and the hosts who put them on their shows should certainly be held accountable for any stupid thing that comes out of their mouths.
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Actually, the War on Women was started by Republican men deciding that contraceptives were more evil than unwed mothers.

The media just gave it a catchy name.
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#12 Apr 12 2012 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unlike Rosen, who had to adopt kids, Ann raised 5 of her own.

Ermmm... hrm. Hmm. Smiley: dubious

Hey, I see these are the same guys who flipped their shit over The Golden Compass.


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Actually, the War on Women was started by Republican men deciding that contraceptives were more evil than unwed mothers.


I would say that it was Liberal pundits who decided to interpret GOP opposition to mandates about contraceptive coverage as a "war on women", when it was really a "protection of religious freedom" issue. No one's telling women that they can't buy contraception, or even buy insurance which provides contraception. We're saying that the government can't force a religious institution to buy contraception for women (or men for that matter), nor require them to buy insurance which provides those things either.

The whole thing has been spin from day one. The only rights being attacked are those of religious institutions by the Dems.

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The media just gave it a catchy name.


Of course they did. Because a catchy name is a great way to hide the fact that your entire issue is BS.
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Well, I suppose when you're getting hammered on abortion, contraception and equal wages, throwing a hissy fit over these comments and justifying it with "They started it" is the best you can do.
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No one's telling women that they can't buy contraception, or even buy insurance which provides contraception


Not even Rick "contraceptives make me vomit and I want to ban them" Santorum?

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 6:00pm by catwho
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catwho wrote:
Not even Rick "contraceptives make me vomit and I want to ban them" Santorum?

Silly Rick, you're not the one who's supposed to be taking the pill.
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Well, I suppose when you're getting hammered on abortion, contraception and equal wages, throwing a hissy fit over these comments and justifying it with "They started it" is the best you can do.

Public opinion on abortion is still fairly split, and I'm not sure I even understand the third one, except in the context of what Certified Loonypants Scott Walker did earlier this week (notice the Santorum sticker on the Certified Loonypants state senator that made the unfortunate comments about money being more important to men, lulz).

Contraception? According to the first poll linked, most people don't even think it should be part of the national discourse.
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Not even Rick "contraceptives make me vomit and I want to ban them" Santorum?

Silly Rick, you're not the one who's supposed to be taking the pill.


ITT: We find the real reason why Rick has kids.
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Public opinion on abortion is still fairly split, and I'm not sure I even understand the third one, except in the context of what Certified Loonypants Scott Walker did earlier this week (notice the Santorum sticker on the Certified Loonypants state senator that made the unfortunate comments about money being more important to men, lulz).

Contraception? According to the first poll linked, most people don't even think it should be part of the national discourse.

Neither of those are broken along gender lines except for a Fox News poll on contraception (in which women side with the Democratic view 67-23). As I noted earlier, the GOP has a big polling issue with women right now. Even the GOP doesn't try to deny this, relying instead on lame "Well, they'll change their minds when they get to know us" hand waves. The issues that keep coming up are what women are getting to know about the GOP thus their attempts at damage control and now trying to claim any slim high ground they possibly can.

Women generally vote at greater rates than men (they cast 53% of the votes in the last presidential election). Having a double digit deficit with them is devastating.

Edited, Apr 12th 2012 7:13pm by Jophiel
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Even the GOP doesn't try to deny this, relying instead on lame "Well, they'll change their minds when they get to know us" hand waves.

Kind of like Pelosi's argument about Obamacare, amirite?

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Women generally vote at greater rates than men (they cast 53% of the votes in the last presidential election). Having a double digit deficit with them is devastating.

And yet, the overall general election polls are all fairly close (with Obama winning slightly). There's still a lot of time between now and November.
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#21 Apr 12 2012 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, is Demea a Republican? I'm confused.
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Wait, is Demea a Republican? I'm confused.


I was under impression that he was one of the non-trollish conservatives.
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Kind of like Pelosi's argument about Obamacare, amirite?

Let's hope so! Smiley: grin

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And yet, the overall general election polls are all fairly close (with Obama winning slightly). There's still a lot of time between now and November.

For varying definitions of "slightly" I guess. A seven point margin meant a 365 EV win. I think a five point margin will still be sufficiently comfortable if that's where things still are.

For the next seven months we can repeat "there's time yet" but, at the moment, there's no sane denying that the GOP is in a very poor spot with some important demographics.
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Wait, is Demea a Republican? I'm confused.


I was under impression that he was one of the non-trollish conservatives.

I tend towards libertarianism (small L), but technically I'm one of those fickle "independents."

I just felt like it was getting a little preemptively self-congratulatory in here. Somebody has to balance out the liberal lefts in here, and Totem isn't around.
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I suppose you can't balance all the liberals with a singular extreme conservative, as fun as that method was.
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