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#1 Oct 14 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Next up on the garden spot of the world US invasion tour? Sunny Uganda! I guess we got tired og blowing up the islamic terrorists, now we're going after the christian ones. Bhuddist terrorists are next!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/world/africa/africa-obama-troops/
Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is sending about 100 U.S. troops to Africa to help hunt down the leaders of the notoriously violent Lord's Resistance Army in and around Uganda.

"I have authorized a small number of combat-equipped U.S. forces to deploy to central Africa to provide assistance to regional forces that are working toward the removal of Joseph Kony from the battlefield," Obama said in letter sent Friday to House Speaker John Boehner and Daniel Inouye, the president pro tempore of the Senate. Kony is the head of the Lord's Resistance Army.

U.S. military personnel advising regional forces working to target Kony and other senior leaders will not engage Kony's forces "unless necessary for self-defense," Obama said.

"I believe that deploying these U.S. armed forces furthers U.S. national security interests and foreign policy and will be a significant contribution toward counter-LRA efforts in central Africa."

Obama notes that the group "has murdered, raped, and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women, and children in central Africa" and "continues to commit atrocities across the Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and South Sudan that have a disproportionate impact on regional security."

The State Department says that "since 2008 alone, the LRA has killed more than 2,400 people and abducted more than 3,400. The United Nations estimates that over 380,000 people are displaced across the region because of LRA activity."

Obama said the United States since 2008 has backed regional military efforts to go after the Lord's Resistance Army. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that since that time the United States has provided more than $40 million in support.

But efforts to combat the LRA have been unsuccessful.

Obama cites the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009. In that, Congress "expressed support for increased, comprehensive U.S. efforts to help mitigate and eliminate the threat posed by the LRA to civilians and regional stability."

"I have directed this deployment, which is in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive. I am making this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution," he said. "I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action."

Obama said the initial team of U.S. military personnel with appropriate combat equipment deployed to Uganda" on Wednesday. Other forces deploying include "a second combat-equipped team and associated headquarters, communications, and logistics personnel."

"Our forces will provide information, advice, and assistance to select partner nation forces. Subject to the approval of each respective host nation, elements of these U.S. forces will deploy into Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The support provided by U.S. forces will enhance regional efforts against the LRA. "

One member of Congress, Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, weighed in to support the effort.

"I applaud our nation's military for making this a priority and taking the steps outlined in our legislation that will eventually protect the children and people from Joseph Kony's reign of terror," Inhofe said.

"I have witnessed firsthand the devastation caused by the LRA, and this will help end Kony's heinous acts that have created a human rights crisis in Africa. We must work to bring justice to the children and victims in Uganda devastated by Kony and the LRA. I have been fervently involved in trying to prevent further abductions and murders of Ugandan children, and today's action offers hope that the end of the LRA is in sight."

Kony claims he is a prophet sent from God to replace the Ugandan government with a democracy based on the Ten Commandments.

The website GlobalSecurity.org says the group has been "notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines."

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants against Kony and four other group leaders for crimes against humanity and war crimes. Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Campo said that the "LRA is an involuntary army and the majority of the fighters are formerly abducted children. "

Obama's plan in dealing with the LRA calls for increasing "protection of civilians," apprehending or removing Kony and senior LRA commanders from the battlefield, promoting the "defection, disarmament, demobilization, and reintegration of remaining LRA fighters" and increasing "humanitarian access."

Representatives of 34 groups in the LRA-affected areas of northern Congo, Central African Republic, and Southern Sudan wrote Obama in December, applauded his commitment to tackle the problem, and urged him to deal with the group, according to Human Rights Watch.

"Each day that goes by without a solution to the problem of the LRA is another day of terror and pain for those of us living under constant threat of renewed attacks. Already, the LRA has brutally killed more than 2,300 of our family members and abducted over 3,000 others since they began their latest wave of killings in September 2008," the letter said.

"Many of our children are still in the hands of the LRA. We do not know if they are alive or dead. Those who have managed to escape the LRA bear the physical and mental scars of what they have suffered and will never be the same again. We have few means to help them readjust and integrate back into our communities, but we are trying to do what we can."

The letter cites massacres in 2008 and 2009.

"During these attacks, our family members were killed in unimaginably savage ways: their heads crushed with clubs or machetes; their faces disfigured; and their genitals, mouths, ears, legs and arms cut off, for no reason other than to terrorize."

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#2 Oct 14 2011 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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What US interests are being threatened in Uganda? I didn't bother to read...
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Sure, they're bad... but what's the catch? There are a lot of bad people in the world, but the US doesn't usually send in troops, so I'm wondering what else we might be interested in?

... or maybe he just saw "The Book of Mormom" musical and decided to declare war on warlords? Smiley: tongue

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Kony claims he is a prophet sent from God to replace the Ugandan government with a democracy based on the Ten Commandments.


Obama's obviously a Muslim seeking overthrow a Christian ruler!!!

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#4 Oct 14 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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What US interests are being threatened in Uganda?
Well, there's brown people there.
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Using the US military to advance muslim interests. What sell out, he should be impeached. He is a radical Towel head. I demand to see his real long form birth certificate. It is obvious this is a slippery slope that Obama will never recover from, he is in bed with the enemy.
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Using the US military to advance muslim interests. What sell out, he should be impeached. He is a radical Towel head. I demand to see his real long form birth certificate. It is obvious this is a slippery slope that Obama will never recover from, he is in bed with the enemy.

Why stop there? You've got a few more cliches to cover.
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i dunno I thought it was funny.
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I remember you moaning like a little b*tch about Milosovic when he was doing this.


Find this, because I don't remember it at all and I'm really curious. Milosevic killed Christians in Egypt?

And what in f*ck-all does this have to do with Uganda besides being the same continent?

*Milosevic is the correct spelling if you want to use the search function, by the way. Go to it.

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Why would sending a handful of troops to assist the standing government in Uganda be "invading"?
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What US interests are being threatened in Uganda? I didn't bother to read...

I think the thrust of it is that Kony is a dick and a bad dude. Congress passed a bill in 2010 (unanimously in both chambers) authorizing the president to work with the regional authorities to stop the guy so this isn't some Libya-esque scenario.
Lord's Resistance Army & Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009 wrote:
It is the policy of the United States to work with regional governments toward a comprehensive and lasting resolution to the conflict in northern Uganda and other affected areas by—
(1) providing political, economic, military, and intelligence support for viable multilateral efforts to protect civilians from the Lord’s Resistance Army, to apprehend or remove Joseph Kony and his top commanders from the battlefield in the continued absence of a negotiated solution, and to disarm and demobilize the remaining Lord’s Resistance Army fighters;

If you're so inclined, you can read the bill text (including the "findings" justifying the legislation here.

Edited, Oct 14th 2011 6:45pm by Jophiel
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So, it's just us World Policing the shit out of an obscure corner of Africa? Gotcha.
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tl; dr

why, exactly?
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Considering the amount of aid Americans send to war-torn places like this that could otherwise be pumped into our own economy, you could probably make an argument for helping anywhere in Africa become less of a sh*thole based on national interests.
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does shooting people make anywhere a better place to live?
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Depends on your neighbors.
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Depends on your neighbors.


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If the person in question is busily recruiting people and forcing children into the military, where they will inevitably rape and kill hundreds and thousands of people? Yes, probably. But you can pick up the hippie pacifist flag from Paulsol if you want; he hasn't been around to wave it for a while.
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If the person in question is busily recruiting people and forcing children into the military, where they will inevitably rape and kill hundreds and thousands of people? .


So you believe American soldiers have never carried out atrocites?

Edited, Oct 14th 2011 7:43pm by Olorinus
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So you believe American soldiers have never carried out atrocites?

I'm going to be generous and assume that it's alcohol and not simple retardation which led you to connect these two thoughts.
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So you believe American soldiers have never carried out atrocites?

I'm going to be generous and assume that it's alcohol and not simple retardation which led you to connect these two thoughts.


What a gloriously tolerant comment.

You seem to indicate that you believe that violence can solve violence. Is that the case?
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What US interests are being threatened in Uganda? I didn't bother to read...

Zebras.
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What US interests are being threatened in Uganda? I didn't bother to read...

Zebras.


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Why would sending a handful of troops to assist the standing government in Uganda be "invading"?


It's frigging Uganda. 3 marines in a worn out truck with a BB gun could take it over. Maybe 4 if they need help pushing the truck up hills.
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#29 Oct 15 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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So you believe American soldiers have never carried out atrocites?

I'm going to be generous and assume that it's alcohol and not simple retardation which led you to connect these two thoughts.


What a gloriously tolerant comment.

You seem to indicate that you believe that violence can solve violence. Is that the case?
Sometimes it is the case. Sometimes allowing the initial violence to go on is intolerable. Can an argument be made that we resort to it too much? Certainly. But it is absolutely naive to suggest we should never use violence against an aggressor.
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Why would sending a handful of troops to assist the standing government in Uganda be "invading"?
It's frigging Uganda. 3 marines in a worn out truck with a BB gun could take it over. Maybe 4 if they need help pushing the truck up hills.

You're focusing on the "handful of troops" and not the "assisting the standing government" part.
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Rush Limbaugh: Obama invades Uganda, Targets Christians

Now I know where Pubbies get this stuff from. The best part is Rush spending the segment going on about how the Lord's Resistance Army is a bunch of Christians fighting against oppression and, at the end, says "Wait... These guys are accused of all sorts of atrocities? Well, maybe... OBAMA IS FIGHTING CHRISTIANS!" Smiley: laugh

Sadly, you can't make shit like that up.
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So you believe American soldiers have never carried out atrocites?

I'm going to be generous and assume that it's alcohol and not simple retardation which led you to connect these two thoughts.


What a gloriously tolerant comment.

You seem to indicate that you believe that violence can solve violence. Is that the case?

First, yes, sometimes this is the case.

Second, I called you a retard because your comment about American atrocities was in no way connected to the conversation at hand.
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Sometimes it is the case. Sometimes allowing the initial violence to go on is intolerable. Can an argument be made that we resort to it too much? Certainly. But it is absolutely naive to suggest we should never use violence against an aggressor.


Honestly, I think it is naive to believe that anyone outside of America would buy that America uses its soldiers to do anything but bolster American interests. Americans believe that but I somehow doubt the ordinary people in the countries you are invading feel like you are liberating them.

After you've been the playground bully for awhile it is hard to sell the story that you're beating people up in the yard to stop an aggressor.

Edited, Oct 15th 2011 9:04am by Olorinus
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I called you a retard because your comment about American atrocities was in no way connected to the conversation at hand.


Anyone that uses that term as an insult has both a serious lack of compassion, and an inadequate vocabulary. Seriously. Go back to grade five and learn a few more words.
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Are you ever going to make a comment relevant to the topic at hand, or are you just going to keep talking about how much you dislike America and how violence isn't the answer?
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Honestly, I think it is naive to believe that anyone outside of America would buy that America uses its soldiers to do anything but bolster American interests. Americans believe that but I somehow doubt the ordinary people in the countries you are invading feel like you are liberating them.

Do you suppose the people of Kosovo feel that America did nothing for them but bolster American interests by getting involved militarily? How about the people in Libya?
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Olorinus wrote:
Honestly, I think it is naive to believe that anyone outside of America would buy that America uses its soldiers to do anything but bolster American interests. Americans believe that but I somehow doubt the ordinary people in the countries you are invading feel like you are liberating them.

Do you suppose the people of Kosovo feel that America did nothing for them but bolster American interests by getting involved militarily? How about the people in Libya?

I think it's already been made clear that the only thing she supposes is ignorance.
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I am. I don't like having to differentiate between the two. Should just be one country.
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Why would sending a handful of troops to assist the standing government in Uganda be "invading"?
It's frigging Uganda. 3 marines in a worn out truck with a BB gun could take it over. Maybe 4 if they need help pushing the truck up hills.

You're focusing on the "handful of troops" and not the "assisting the standing government" part.


Soooo, would that be the military dictatorship coup installed government, or the one that won the recent "election" by massive voter fraud. Oh wait, same guy. nevermind.
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You're working unusually hard to avoid admitting this isn't any "invasion" but then you did the same with our "ally" in Pakistan. Weird, but whatever.
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"Lets go collaborate with the illegal military dictatorship election fraudsters" was a less interesting thread title.
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As far as I know, the standing government of Uganda is the recognized government by the US and UN. The US enjoys pretty good relations these days with Uganda according to the State Department. So if they ask us to swing on by, it ain't invading.

Plus, it's a regional effort where the troops are being split among four different nations (Uganda, South Sudan, Central African Republic, & Democratic Republic of the Congo). Man, Rush totally missed a chance to praise Obama for saving the Christian people of South Sudan!
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Sure, it isn't an invasion "yet". You have to wait for the suprise hostile takeover that will later be made into a for TV movie.
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By the way, when did I claim we were invading Pakistan?
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isn't it obvious.

(oh wait sorry wrong partisan talking point parrot.)

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By the way, when did I claim we were invading Pakistan?

Here

Edit: To be fair, the poorly written story used the word "invasion" even if Obama did not.

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well since he was referencing that specific article, his use of invasion was applied to it. Then again I am not american so I don't have to take a polar approach to every bit of reading and talking I do. I guess thats a plus. See here in Canada I think all politicians are idiots, I also think all your politicians are idiots.

The object of an election is to weed out people to the point where the best of the worst is the winner. But in the end you are still electing and idiot, and it doesn't matter what color their banner is.
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well since he was referencing that specific article, his use of invasion was applied to it. Then again I am not american so I don't have to take a polar approach to every bit of reading and talking I do. I guess thats a plus. See here in Canada I think all politicians are idiots, I also think all your politicians are idiots.

The object of an election is to weed out people to the point where the best of the worst is the winner. But in the end you are still electing and idiot, and it doesn't matter what color their banner is.
You spend your days smoking weed paid for by the Canadian government. Yeah, they might be idiots.
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I know what a glory hole is, but I wasn't sure what the business part was in reference to.

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#50 Oct 15 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
rdmcandie wrote:
well since he was referencing that specific article, his use of invasion was applied to it. Then again I am not american so I don't have to take a polar approach to every bit of reading and talking I do. I guess thats a plus. See here in Canada I think all politicians are idiots, I also think all your politicians are idiots.

The object of an election is to weed out people to the point where the best of the worst is the winner. But in the end you are still electing and idiot, and it doesn't matter what color their banner is.
You spend your days smoking weed paid for by the Canadian government. Yeah, they might be idiots.


actually I smoke my own weed, that I pay for in an illegal transaction. The canadian government might have some money in their because I often use my GST tax rebate and HST tax rebate checks to buy quantities of marijuana. Although this is technically money of mine I "loaned" them and am just getting it back.

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#51 Oct 15 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
I thought in the past that you said it was covered by the govt. My bad, and I apologize. If you are spending your own money on it, then cheers!
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