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#1 Jun 18 2011 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
Point of the thread is pretty self evident. What languages do you speak, at what level, and how did you learn them? The books I've come across are terrible, and Rosetta Stone is only a slight improvement. Pimsleur works well as a supplement.
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I speak English and remember just enough high school French to know what "au lait" means.

Flea speaks Spanish & English fluently, some Quechua, a little Arabic and just enough Italian to feel frustrated when visiting Italy. That's all from living different places or from family. She speaks a little school level French as well (which I suppose is easier when you have Spanish and Italian going for you).

I appreciate your frustration with learning a new language by yourself. I once tried learning Polish from some books & tapes and found it near impossible to pick up more than a phrase or two. Likewise Spanish. For as much as the ads say "The way you learned in school isn't the way to learn a language!", it's the only way that actually stuck with me even a little.
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I did French in high school, and it stuck with me pretty well. I think I'd feel comfortable enough getting around in Paris. Did Spanish in college, but it hasn't stayed quite as well. It was serviceable in Barcelona, but I definitely got some weird looks from time to time with it.

Working on Japanese now in my free time. It's been fun, but I'm sure it'll get brutal when I start doing more than just skimming the surface of it.
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I speak English and remember just enough high school French to know what "au lait" means.

Flea speaks Spanish & English fluently, some Quechua, a little Arabic and just enough Italian to feel frustrated when visiting Italy. That's all from living different places or from family. She speaks a little school level French as well (which I suppose is easier when you have Spanish and Italian going for you).

I appreciate your frustration with learning a new language by yourself. I once tried learning Polish from some books & tapes and found it near impossible to pick up more than a phrase or two. Likewise Spanish. For as much as the ads say "The way you learned in school isn't the way to learn a language!", it's the only way that actually stuck with me even a little.


I'm actually working on French right now, after studying Spanish occasionally for the past few years. I can read and write it passably, but I can't roll my r's properly and I still speak with a southern drawl, which makes me nigh on incomprehensible. I can order food in Miami and make Colombian girls uncomfortable, but that's about it.

I happen to have a few acquaintances from Poland, they seem to be an interesting group of people. I intend to study Russian at university, for career type reasons. As difficult as Slavic languages are said to be, it seems pragmatic to learn the most common one.

Does flea not come here anymore?

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Point of the thread is pretty self evident. What languages do you speak, at what level, and how did you learn them? The books I've come across are terrible, and Rosetta Stone is only a slight improvement. Pimsleur works well as a supplement.


I love learning languages, I've just been dibbling and dabbling in Tagalog, Japanese, Mandarin and Spanish. I thought about Hindi, but that's the last on my list.

It depends on how you like to learn languages. I like the traditional language learning process, nouns, verbs, phrases and finally grammar. Rosetta Stone doesn't help me at all for the beginning of learning a language.

Edit: Grammar. Maybe I should work more on English.. >.>

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Japanese used to be fluent but has gotten rusty (studied in HS/college, been twice)
Spanish was always horrible (but I still got A's in high school)
French is just good enough to get me in trouble (learned cooking/friends)
Chinese is just goof enough to not look like an idiot in front of friend's/ex-GF's parents


Books/software are ok to get basics down, but you really need to live where ever or watch a lot of tv in that language to get how people actually talk vs "proper" language.
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English Native, German is a bit rusty, but at one point I had 4 years college german on top of 3 years hich school german. I can read it and understand it better than I can speak it these days. Writing it, lets just say that my spelling is even more... creative in german than in english. I always found my biggest trouble was that my german vocabulary is smaller than my english one by a considerable margin, so i'd take time to try and learn all the words and maybe not as much to the structure and verbage rules as I should.

I think if I were to move to germany right now, I know enough to get by, and would regain my previous level of fluency in a few months.

Do computer languages count? I've got lots and lots of those.
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English - my native tongue
Spanish - I understand a lot more than I speak. Between growing up with my mom and grandmother speaking Spanish to eachother most of the time and a little instruction in school, I can generally get the gist of what people are saying to me.
French - Same basic response as for Spanish, though less, since I only have a few years of high school classes that I barely remember, but I can usually recall what a word means if I hear it.
Japanese - I've learned to pick out a number of common words and phrases, but I'm nowhere near the level with it that I am with Spanish.
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#9 Jun 19 2011 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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English speaker; I can say "I don't speak xxx, I am a stupid American" in French and Spanish. I want to try and learn German but haven't really bothered to yet.
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Fluent English and French. Some German and Spanish, assorted insults in Slovenian, Mandarin Chinese, Finn, Russian, and Japanese.

I was in French school when I was a kid so I learned French there. I learned a lot of German from a friend who spent a semester there, and from watching a lot of WW2 documentaries. And Spanish is just easy.

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Native English, which I had a hard time learning, so I speak Elnese and get a lot of strange looks. I write in Elnese, which makes using a spell checker risky. (see my cookie post for good example.)

I spent 4 years trying to learn French in middle and high school and can say I don't speak french. 3 of those years was trying to past French 1. I never learn to write in french, but I can noodle my way reading some French. We had French language Monopoly game, that I was able to translate all but one chance card.

It will be quite an adventure if I go to Europe trying to communicate, since I lip read a lot and when I'm tired, my English become scrambled.
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Just English here.

I learned German as a kid. It was mandatory in elementary school. I stuck with it through most of HS. I could read it fine. I had a German Little-Big book collection:) I had little opportunity to converse with the language though.
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I speak fluent English, enough Spanish to hold a brief conversation, and I can order a beer in Italian, German, Dutch, Mandarin, Korean, and Portuguese.

My father traveled the world for IBM back in the 80s; he could say "Two beers, please" in about ten different languages. He said it's all you really need.
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I did French in high school, and it stuck with me pretty well. I think I'd feel comfortable enough getting around in Paris. Did Spanish in college, but it hasn't stayed quite as well. It was serviceable in Barcelona, but I definitely got some weird looks from time to time with it.
French comes back to me fairly quickly but even then, its only good enough to communicate, not for conversation. Were I to go to France, my Quebecois French would probably have them completely confused.
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I speak English fluently. I know a smattering of words and phrases in Spanish (you almost can't get by without it in America today), German (currently studying this off and on), and Japanese (mostly due to rabid anime fandom). I can generally understand AAVE, but I refuse to speak it. Also I know Visual Basic (hey, it's a language, too).
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I continuously amaze young visitors to the ship by counting to five in Latin, German, English, Spanish and French. I also speak sailor. (Deck, port starboard etc. )

I can read a bit of latin and remember phrases in French and Latin. I get compliments from some French speakers on my accent.

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What a coincidence, I'm looking for sailors.
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My father traveled the world for IBM back in the 80s; he could say "Two beers, please" in about ten different languages. He said it's all you really need.

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Just English. Back in college I would say I was at least proficient, if not fluent, in Spanish. Over the weekend I tried to talk to a girl from Mexico, and totally failed. I had most of the words, but sentence structure and conjugation were terrible. I miss my long-lost linguistic loquacity Smiley: frown
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Just English. Back in college I would say I was at least proficient, if not fluent, in Spanish. Over the weekend I tried to talk to a girl from Mexico, and totally failed. I had most of the words, but sentence structure and conjugation were terrible. I miss my long-lost linguistic loquacity Smiley: frown


Yea that sucks. I wish learning a language was like riding a bike. If that were the case, I would be fluent in a dozen languages.
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I work for the largest call center company in the world, founded and headquartered in France, with offices on 6 continents and in 90 countries. I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.

The day may come when something else is needed, but until it is I'm happy to reply, "No speaky, Pablo."
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The day may come when something else is needed, but until it is I'm happy to reply, "No speaky, Pablo."

Mexicans can't afford the vinyl siding you're selling, anyway.
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The day may come when something else is needed, but until it is I'm happy to reply, "No speaky, Pablo."

Mexicans can't afford the vinyl siding you're selling, anyway.

No, but they're too busy out in the field installing it, so their American bosses answer the phone and pay.
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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
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Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
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Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?
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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?

Why would you allow other languages in the boardroom?
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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?

Why would you allow other languages in the boardroom?
If I ran an international business, there might be people I want in my boardroom that don't speak English.
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They're probably not very good at international business then.
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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?

Why would you allow other languages in the boardroom?
If I ran an international business, there might be people I want in my boardroom that don't speak English.
If you've reached the elvel of being important enough to be in the board room, you either speak English, or have someone who works for you with you, who does. Speaking another language in a meeting is akin to passing a note in class. Anything important enough to say, is important enough to be shared with everyone.
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Elinda wrote:
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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?

Why would you allow other languages in the boardroom?
If I ran an international business, there might be people I want in my boardroom that don't speak English.

I guess you don't have to worry about running an international business any time soon.
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....or have someone who works for you with you, who does.
So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


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I speak the only language allowed in our boardroom - English.
Why do they only allow English in your boardroom? - seems rather limiting.
Because in practice, it's the international language of business.
Sure, but why would other languages be disallowed in the boardroom?

Why would you allow other languages in the boardroom?
If I ran an international business, there might be people I want in my boardroom that don't speak English.

I guess you don't have to worry about running an international business any time soon.
I'm qualified. I speak English.
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....or have someone who works for you with you, who does.
So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.
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So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.


Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
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So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.


Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
During tea all must speak the Queens English.
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Elinda wrote:
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....or have someone who works for you with you, who does.
So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.


Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
During tea all must speak the Queens English.


That would suck. I can understand official talk, but anything other than that is just ignorant and wrong.
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....or have someone who works for you with you, who does.
So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.


Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
There really shouldn't be much, if any small talk during the meeting, but I wouldn't think it would be an issue before/after the meeting, unless again, the owner/exec is a super douche.
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Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
There really shouldn't be much, if any small talk during the meeting, but I wouldn't think it would be an issue before/after the meeting, unless again, the owner/exec is a super douche.

We are talking about Moe here, aren't we?
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Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
There really shouldn't be much, if any small talk during the meeting, but I wouldn't think it would be an issue before/after the meeting, unless again, the owner/exec is a super douche.

We are talking about Moe here, aren't we?

Yep. A bunch of niggling, pedantic pricks talking about something another niggling, pedantic prick said.
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I was speaking in general. Had I been speaking about Moe, there would be no ambiguity and simply be one rule that fits all scenarios.
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....or have someone who works for you with you, who does.
So then an important individual is allowed to speak their own language in the boardroom - they just have to provide their own interpreter. That's cool.


Theoretically, yes. I wouldn't put it past some egotistical morons to actually ignore that and say absolutely only English, though. Mind you, if it's their company, they're free to burn whatever bridges they want to.


Does that rule apply only for official business or "small talk" also.
There really shouldn't be much, if any small talk during the meeting, but I wouldn't think it would be an issue before/after the meeting, unless again, the owner/exec is a super douche.


That I can understand.

I'm not sure if I told this before, but I visited a Chinese friend of mine at Perdue and she was telling me how the department head would get mad at her and her friends for talking in Chinese, anywhere on Campus. She was told that she has to practice English. I was embarrassed by that and apologized to her, telling her that is not right. She chose not to fight it since her future is literally in the palms of her hands.
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I was speaking in general. Had I been speaking about Moe, there would be no ambiguity and simply be one rule that fits all scenarios.

Hell, if it's me running a company there won't be any ambiguity. You wanna work for me, speak English. Everywhere, all the time. In the office, in your car ('cuz I'll bug that sh:t), at your kitchen table, in the shower, in your bed telling your wife to show you the brown star. There is no value to multiple languages. We've taken an archaic form passed on to us by our British oppressors and turned it in to something the entire world should accept and embrace.
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Yea, I don't think it was right of the prof to get mad, but it was certainly solid advice, had it actually been delivered as advice.


That's assuming that the person doesn't already speak good English. In this case, she does.
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Hell, if it's me running a company there won't be any ambiguity. You wanna work for me, speak English. Everywhere, all the time.
I knew I nailed that one.
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