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#1 Aug 19 2004 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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In this thread on the main forum http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1092955939220219802&num=35, Kingjord wrote about how he was racially slandered and how it hurt him, then, Smartiekjm comes along and disagrees with him saying that people should be able to handle this sort of insult. The argument escalates and results in this

Kingjord: Words you choose to use amongst your own circle of friends and family are up to you. I am not on a mission to change people's ignorant, old-fashioned, unfounded attitudes. I just ask that you keep it to yourself.

SmartieKjm:
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I just ask that you keep it to yourself.


how about... ummm NO.

jew!!!!

Kingjord: That's going too far.

SmartieKjm: cry about it.


Thank you for your time.
#2 Aug 19 2004 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Rate him down and set your filters to default.

#3 Aug 19 2004 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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I think racial slurs call for more action than rate-down & filter.
#4 Aug 19 2004 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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This is the fifth time i have ssen him do something like this, he keeps his rating at 2.2 but consistently gets rated down and anyway, that is going far to far on a community board about a game.
#5 Aug 19 2004 at 7:51 PM Rating: Default
He also wrote this:

SmartieKjm wrote:


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There was a jew who bought drugs from a nigge r who's brother was a faaaaaaayg.. but the colored boy jewed the hebe for 500 dollars so the gay went to a catholic priest and was banged for 500 to give to the jew... and the christian hypoctites went and bought oranges from thw ******* dirty mexican selling on the street... to stone the jew,black,and gay with oranges..

so the italian mafia whaps came and tried to muscle in on the 500 but the chincks and **** came in ninja gear and martial arts and beat the italians.

in the end a white guy walked by and picked up the 500 dollars dropped on the ground.

there i think i offended just about everyone.

oh wait... then a arab strapped a bomb to himself and blew everyone away.


Plese have his IP banned and his membership rovoked.

#6 Aug 19 2004 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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we're looking into it.
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#7 Aug 19 2004 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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we're looking into it.


You'd make a great GM. Hehe...
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#8 Aug 20 2004 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I see nothing was done ... other than a slap on the wrist, that is obsurde and sadly makes me re-evaluate the time i spend on this site

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all you whiny crybaby... blabbering about morals.. offended.. nothing better to do then spew your theories and reasons why this is that and that is this.

can all kiss my big ol' ***!!!!!!

thats right.. pucker up and kiss it.

i don't care what you find offensive.. i don't care why you think it's offensive.. i also don't care why you think so and so is offensive or why this sort of offensiveness is different from that kind... blah blah blah.

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Is this really acceptable in a Public Forum ... come on now



Edited, Fri Aug 20 17:38:32 2004 by Nosirrom
#9 Aug 20 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I assume this is a public forum. Since it has existed for years, I would assume that there is already a policy in place for obscenity, racial slurs, offensive behavior, and the like. I'm not really one for censorship in general, but there are rational limits to what one allows into mainstream public forums.

What are the guidelines for acceptable speech and behavior here, and where are they stated?

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#10 Aug 20 2004 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Look in forum FAQ in just about every forum for a rough list of rules and etiquette.

At least I think that's where it's located....
#11 Aug 20 2004 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Look in forum FAQ in just about every forum for a rough list of rules and etiquette.


Nope ... not there, That is mainly all "Premium Member" questions

Why wouldnt anyone want to pay for "Premium Membership" when this non-sence is left on the board, i know i sure dont
#12 Aug 20 2004 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I found this there:

F.A.Q. wrote:
While we try to moderate as lightly as possible, posts that are pornographic, overly obnoxious, or contain links to sites such as outwarz will be deleted.
I understand light moderation and I agree with that. In my opinion, SmartieKjm's posts exceed even these guidelines.
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#13 Aug 20 2004 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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While we try to moderate as lightly as possible, posts that are pornographic, overly obnoxious, or contain links to sites such as outwarz will be deleted.


So no matter what anyone posts their thread will just get deleted ? ... no other form of punishment?



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I understand light moderation and I agree with that. In my opinion, SmartieKjm's posts exceed even these guidelines.


Agreed, i can deal with trolls .. they are on every forum, but when they go too far they need to be delt with accordingly (not just a deleted post/thread)

Thanks for digging that up, where exactly did you find it in the FAQ's?


Edited, Fri Aug 20 18:24:44 2004 by Nosirrom
#14 Aug 20 2004 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I found it in my main EQ forum faq at the bottom, under "Anything else I should know"

The nature of the guideline "posts that are pornographic, overly obnoxious" leaves a lot of lattitude and I'm sure that was the intention of "light moderation".

But definitions aside, no forum needs people posting drivel like

SmartieKjm wrote:
There was a jew who bought drugs from a nigge r who's brother was a faaaaaaayg.. but the colored boy jewed the hebe for 500 dollars so the gay went to a catholic priest and was banged for 500 to give to the jew... and the christian hypoctites went and bought oranges from thw ******* dirty mexican selling on the street... to stone the jew,black,and gay with oranges..


Obnoxious:

1. highly objectionable or offensive; odious: obnoxious behavior.
2. annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself



Guideline met?

edit: I just spent 20 minutes in The Asylum and have to conclude that this isn't significantly different than most posts there. Perhaps it just needs to be moved to the proper forum...

It's funny in an odd way. I used to be a regular poster on the original Verant forums. Now we have new SOE forums with extreme censorship. When I moved here from Caster's Realm, I assumed that this was another PG rated forum with more moderation than I preferred, albeit with more interesting people and content. Now I see the difference.

In general you let it go and allow the rating 'system' to bury posts that people can't stomach.

<pausing a moment to consider that>

Each forum has a population of posters that enjoy and expect different things. There are always outliers. Bottom line - rate it down and it disappears. Each forum rates as it desires and each individual majority rules. My only issue with this is that any thread with a frequent sub-default poster becomes impossible to follow; essentially meaningless as a result of the posts lost via using the default filter. Solution, turn off filter. Is that really a solution? I want to read meaningful sequential messages and the default filter prevents that, so I don't use the filter.

I don't have a better solution. I do think it is grounds for a discussion on better ways to censor objectionable speech.

Edited, Fri Aug 20 20:24:07 2004 by Samatman
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#15 Aug 20 2004 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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edit: I just spent 20 minutes in The Asylum and have to conclude that this isn't significantly different than most posts there. Perhaps it just needs to be moved to the proper forum...

It's funny in an odd way. I used to be a regular poster on the original Verant forums. Now we have new SOE forums with extreme censorship. When I moved here from Caster's Realm, I assumed that this was another PG rated forum with more moderation than I preferred, albeit with more interesting people and content. Now I see the difference.


Great post!
I've never been to the Asylum but if it is anything like this issue im not sure i want to deal with that lower mentality/mindset group of people.It really reflects negitivly on the site in my eyes, but as Samatman, im used to a more stictly moderated forum wich in turn had much better content and poeple.

The "Karma" system dosent work all that well sometimes, espically in this case ... "Mr Smartie" has been rated into the deep dark depths and still bounces back up for the masses to enjoy.There are a few people like that in the Main FFXI forum, im here a couple hours a day and i see the repeat offenders. I understand letting the masses decide and light moderatorship... but if i can notice it, shouldnt a mod be able to aswell, or is this "Light Moderation" really that light?
#16 Aug 20 2004 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
In most cases the "light moderation" works fine. But with SmartieKJim, he had over 650 posts before I ever noticed him saying anything even closs to trolling. No matter how much we rate him down his rating stays close to constant so he is basically free to troll as much as he wants without having to worry about getting pushed under the filter.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Aug 21 2004 at 2:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you guys really don't have anything better to do.. do ya?
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