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#1 Oct 29 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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Welp I worked a bunch of overtime last month and my paycheck has a good amount of extra cash in it. I'm looking at getting another LCD TV. Preferrably a 1080 dpi one 32-42 inch for the home. Maybe a 10k rpm hd for the comp or something else. Any ideas for a good reasonably priced TV?
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We are quite happy with our Samsung.

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I love our LG. Best way to pick is check the display model, see which on looks good to you and buy it.
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Samsung, Vizio or LG all make very good TV's, also Sony, but they tend to be more expensive. You want an LED backlight LCD, as they are much brighter than the traditional LCD's, use less power, and should theoretically last longer, though they really haven't been around long enough for that to be a certanty. The prices ahve come down quite a bit too. My 46" Samsung LCD is holding up fine, I wish I had an LED TV but it isn't in the cards for now. The Vizio units tend to have more bells and whistles built in, and are technically made in America. The Sony Bravia units probably have the best overall quality and features, but are priced to match. LG has a nice display, but are not quite as well made as some of the others in some areas in my oppinion.

If you are thinking about getting a hard drive, now is the time. by thanksgiving you may not be able to find one given the hard drive plant flooding in Thailand.

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Given your track record, you should save the money instead for a rainy 3-4 years.
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I will strongly suggest also getting the maximum warranty length no matter which television you choose. We snagged the 5 year warranty for ours, which means that if it breaks they'll send a service tech out to fix it or replace it. Well worth another $300 for what is essentially a major appliance.

(Just had some great warranty experience with Maytag - we bought a new microwave and the LCD panel was all washed out. They sent a service tech out, he confirmed it was a mess and unreadable, and he ordered a part. Within a week, it was fixed.)
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If you are thinking about getting a hard drive, now is the time. by thanksgiving you may not be able to find one given the hard drive plant flooding in Thailand.

Yeah.. so.. I bought a LaCie 2TB external a few days ago and transferred just over 1TB of media to it. I deleted most everything transferred from my main HD afterwards. When I went to unplug the external HD the USB port BROKE and sparks started flying out the back of it.

Pretty ******* Smiley: mad about it.

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I have a 42" Sharp LCD, 1080p TV in the living room. It's nice, bright, clear, but unfortunately it's only receiving a 1080i signal from the satellite. I have a 32" Vizio LED, 720p TV in my bedroom, and it looks better than my Sharp. I would recommend the Vizio.

@Kaain I could've told you not to buy LaCie.
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Kaain wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
If you are thinking about getting a hard drive, now is the time. by thanksgiving you may not be able to find one given the hard drive plant flooding in Thailand.

Yeah.. so.. I bought a LaCie 2TB external a few days ago and transferred just over 1TB of media to it. I deleted most everything transferred from my main HD afterwards. When I went to unplug the external HD the USB port BROKE and sparks started flying out the back of it.

Pretty @#%^ing Smiley: mad about it.

Don't buy LaCie.


Chances are the hard drive inside the external drive enclosure is not fried, you probably nuked the USB controller, but it should have had a microfuse on the board. What I would do is open up the enclosure, figure out what kind of drive is inside (probably a 3.5" SATA drive) and then either install it in your computer case as a secondary hard drive (Free unless you own a laptop or a crappy motherboard / computer case), buy a USB to SATA adapter cable to at least transfer the data off ($15, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812197009) Or a replacement external enclosure ($27 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817366004)

If you did manage to kill the hard drive itself, it will be the drive controller board. you can figure out exactly which model hard drive was inside that lacie enclosure, order a new one, and swap the controller board over and retrieve the data that way.

You can also use an undelete program to retrieve the media you deleted from the hard drive already inside your computer, though if it has been a significant amount of time, you should only expect to get about 90% of it via that method. Try the free "Recuva", if that doesn't work, there are better pay recovery options. http://www.piriform.com/recuva

Edited, Oct 30th 2011 3:03pm by Kaolian
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From my experience working in retail for TVs/Laptops/Etc, I find that Samsung LED screens are the best looking for visual quality on display models.

Infact the best looking picture we have at work is on a Samsung 40" D5000 (LED backlight, 100Hz 1080p TV) model. I find Sony to be a bit lacking in comparison, but this side of the pond we're doing Sony Smart Deals on TVs at the moment, where sony will give you a pre-paid Visa card with up to £150 depending on the size you go for. So it might work out cheaper for you to go with a Sony if that offer's on in the USA.

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I love our LG. Best way to pick is check the display model, see which on looks good to you and buy it.


While there's nothing wrong with doing side-by-side comparisons of display models in the store, this is far far far from the best way to pick a good TV. In fact, it's often listed as one of thing things "not to do" when buying a TV (or at least, don't rely on it alone). Check the actual stats on the range of brands/models you're looking at *first*. The display model examination should really just be about looking at the style of the bezels, colors, controls, where the inputs are, whether the stand will match the drapes, etc.

Unless your living room is lit by high powered florescent lighting, you cannot possibly get a good comparison of the actual visual qualities of the TVs while on a display room floor. Not to mention, you have no clue how whacked out the settings on each TV are. It's a common practice for stores trying to get rid of back stock of older or lower performing models, to deliberately crank up the colors on the crappy TVs and turn them down on the good quality ones. This makes the cheap/crappy ones look "great" under florescent lights, and if you don't come armed with some actual information about the sets themselves, you'll think you're getting a much better deal than you really are.

And that's beyond the common tactic in stores of chaining a whole bunch of TVs on a single signal line. Even with no intent to deceive customers about the relative quality of the TVs themselves, this will change the actual picture quality dramatically based purely on where the TV happens to be in their display area.

Look at the stats. Read reviews. That's the best way to make a decision.

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Chances are the hard drive inside the external drive enclosure is not fried, you probably nuked the USB controller, but it should have had a microfuse on the board. What I would do is open up the enclosure, figure out what kind of drive is inside (probably a 3.5" SATA drive) and then either install it in your computer case as a secondary hard drive (Free unless you own a laptop or a crappy motherboard / computer case), buy a USB to SATA adapter cable to at least transfer the data off ($15, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812197009) Or a replacement external enclosure ($27 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817366004)

If you did manage to kill the hard drive itself, it will be the drive controller board. you can figure out exactly which model hard drive was inside that lacie enclosure, order a new one, and swap the controller board over and retrieve the data that way.

You can also use an undelete program to retrieve the media you deleted from the hard drive already inside your computer, though if it has been a significant amount of time, you should only expect to get about 90% of it via that method. Try the free "Recuva", if that doesn't work, there are better pay recovery options. http://www.piriform.com/recuva

Meh. I'm over it. It was mainly movies. Probably 1000+. I probably wouldn't have watched most of them again anyway. I can always just redownload whatever I want in minutes. Smiley: grin

Taking the HD back to the store tomorrow. Costs aside.. do you think I'm better off getting three ~1TB HDs and RAIDing them together instead of another 2TB+? I've never used it before and am not aware of the drawbacks if there are any.
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3 1TB drives in a raid 5 array would be theoretically slightly faster than a single 2TB, plus have the added advantage of allowing for a drive failure, assuming equal drive speeds to start, etc. Most motherboards can do at a minimum of Raid 0, Raid 1 and Raid 5. Some won't. You'll want to check which options you have before proceeding. At a minimum, getting two drives in a Raid 1 array mirrored for Data backup is critical. A single drive will fail. Two drives are less likely to fail at once. you could mirror 3 or more drives as well, but if you mirror a drive, say a 1TB drive, you still have a 1TB drive even if you add more drives to the mirror. More redundancy, less available space.

Raid 5 is a compromise between speed and redundancy. You would still need 2 of the 3 drives in the array to survive to have a valid drive, but its faster than Raid 1.

For my computers, particularily my main, I like to build out a Fast operating system drive (in this case a 6GB / sec 256GB Solid state drive) and then a large Raid 1 array for data. A movie on a raid 1 array will play just as well as a movie on a single stand alone drive. It's basically games and programs that you would start to see any performance issues with a Raid drive. If you get a large enough fast OS drive you can put all your commonly used programs on it.

One other thing to be aware of when dealing with Raid arrays, is that installing windows on a machine with a raid array can be annoying due to a persistant bug microsoft has never fixed. If you have a hard drive, and a raid array plugged in when you install windows. windows will install all the data files on your hard drive correctly, but it will write the boot records to your raid array. The workaround is to only have the one hard drive plugged in when installing windows.

I'd go with 2 2TB in a raid 1 array if I were building out a backup array for an existing machine.
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I decided on this TV for my home. I've always had good luck with JVC and the price was nice.

http://www.amazon.com/JVC-JLC32BC3000-32-Inch-1080p-LCD/dp/B0056VMDGW/ref=pd_ybh_17?pf_rd_p=280800601&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1501&pf_rd_i=ybh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0C0E38FTY1BX52PP9P4B
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3 1TB drives in a raid 5 array would be theoretically slightly faster than a single 2TB, plus have the added advantage of allowing for a drive failure, assuming equal drive speeds to start, etc. Most motherboards can do at a minimum of Raid 0, Raid 1 and Raid 5. Some won't. You'll want to check which options you have before proceeding. At a minimum, getting two drives in a Raid 1 array mirrored for Data backup is critical. A single drive will fail. Two drives are less likely to fail at once. you could mirror 3 or more drives as well, but if you mirror a drive, say a 1TB drive, you still have a 1TB drive even if you add more drives to the mirror. More redundancy, less available space.

Raid 5 is a compromise between speed and redundancy. You would still need 2 of the 3 drives in the array to survive to have a valid drive, but its faster than Raid 1.

For my computers, particularily my main, I like to build out a Fast operating system drive (in this case a 6GB / sec 256GB Solid state drive) and then a large Raid 1 array for data. A movie on a raid 1 array will play just as well as a movie on a single stand alone drive. It's basically games and programs that you would start to see any performance issues with a Raid drive. If you get a large enough fast OS drive you can put all your commonly used programs on it.

One other thing to be aware of when dealing with Raid arrays, is that installing windows on a machine with a raid array can be annoying due to a persistant bug microsoft has never fixed. If you have a hard drive, and a raid array plugged in when you install windows. windows will install all the data files on your hard drive correctly, but it will write the boot records to your raid array. The workaround is to only have the one hard drive plugged in when installing windows.

I'd go with 2 2TB in a raid 1 array if I were building out a backup array for an existing machine.

Raid 5 is what I was shooting for. I wanted the externals to be a dumping ground basically for older media, programs, etc. so I could keep my internal HD nice and clean. I picked up the Lacie because it was a 2TB on sale for $89 while even just the 1TB of other models were similarly priced. I have a RadioShack friend that just let me know they have three 1TB HDs on clearance for $29 each so Raid 5 seems to be the best bet for what I'm wanting.

I know Raid 1 would be more secure, but it's not THAT big of an issue as most of this is just disposal personal stuff.

ETA: I forgot about needing a controller for a Raid 5 setup. I don't care to spend that much for something not all that important. I'll probably just get two 2TBs and Raid 1 like you suggested.

Could I later add two more HDs in a Raid 0 setup for gaming on the same mobo?


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Depends on the motherboard, most newer motherboards have Raid controllers. My previous revision of my gaming computer before the SSD was Two 146GB 15,000 RPM Serial Attached SCSI (SaS) drives in a raid 0 array, with two 1TB drives in a second Raid 1 array. Backup software automatically backed up the primary to the secondary array, and then weekly backups from there to the 1TB Raid 1 Network attached storage device. I also had the computers crosslinked to backup essential files to the other machines, My in progress book, finance docs, things like that. The setup today is similar, except the drives are 2TB in the NAS and secondary array, and the Raid 0 is a single Solid state drive.

If you want, download and run the free CPU-Z program, and send me the info from the Mainboard tab and I'll tell you which raid setups you can run without buying a raid controller card.
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I priced the High speed HD's and the price gouging has begun! Most are doubling in price already. I guess I can wait till
things get better and the plants back up and making them again.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Samsung, Vizio or LG all make very good TV's

I've been a die-hard Samsung fan for ages, until recently. I've had 3 Samsung LCD monitors burn out in the last year, the oldest being 5 years old and newest just under a year. Take my experience with a grain of salt though, as I have no idea if that the technology is close enough in the TVs for that to make an impact. Personally I've switched over to LG monitors just in case.

I used to blow off Vizio as a bargain-brand cheapo, but I did some research about a year ago before buying a TV. Turns out they have about equal, if not better, ratings on consumer sites than most major name brands, and often have superior quality in comparison to more major name-brands that charge more. They just tend to be cheaper because they don't advertise and they don't tend to contract parts manufacturers for long periods of time.

I couldn't be happier with my 47" Vizio LCD. It doesn't have quite all the features that I could have gotten in similar size/quality TVs, but I paid about 1/2 the price, and the picture quality is top-notch.

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I've been looking into getting our first HDTV lately. I've found some that I like but have been reluctant based on some of the prices. We are also trying to decide whether to go Samsung SmartTV or go with a Wifi built in blu ray. We want a "smart" device just because we probably won't have cable for awhile and that way we could get stuff like hulu+ and/or netflix and just stream our shows and what not until we decide to actually get cable. To me a wifi built in blu ray is smarter than a samsung smart tv as you still need to buy an $80 adapter and you still don't have a blu ray player.

I may have to look more into Vizio. My #1 option right now was just the LG 32lk450. It's 1080p60 and not LED but all the reviews I've seen have been great and I think it's one of the top rated on consumer reports.
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Here it is! I also went out and bought a new TV stand for it. Sorry about the picture on the TV I wasn't paying attention to what was on.

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Why is the TV stand bigger than the TV itself?
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It's a 32 inch silly I dont need an uber huge one.
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Pfft, no one needs an uber huge one. They're just pretty to look at.
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Had a friend over yesterday and she commented on how nice it looked and the picture was so good on the TV.
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Had a friend over yesterday and she commented on how nice it looked and the picture was so good on the TV.


Nice! The stand is pretty huge for that TV, but it looks like its the right size for the wall space you had anyway, so it's all good. Having too large a TV for the room size will actually make the picture worse.

What brand did you end out getting?
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Had a friend over yesterday and she commented on how nice it looked and the picture was so good on the TV.


Nice! The stand is pretty huge for that TV, but it looks like its the right size for the wall space you had anyway, so it's all good. Having too large a TV for the room size will actually make the picture worse.

What brand did you end out getting?


JVC it was on sale at Amazon. I posted a link in the thread in an earlier post.
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Optoma makes pretty solid projectors. I have one and it's been fantastic. A bit bigger then 32 inches though Smiley: grin
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