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#1 Apr 08 2009 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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This update has broken Charm against Sabotenders for some reason. You can no longer charm the ones in Kuftal, but I can not speak for all other Sabotenders in other zones. I was fighting Yowie and went to charm a Sabotender and mischarmed 4 times and wiped. About 10 minutes later another BST was soloing Amemet and he went to charm a Sabotender when Amemet was at 23% and he mischarmed x3 and wiped. I finished it off and split the 2 Skins with him.

After that we teamed up and both tried to charm a Sabotender. We used charm a combined FOURTY (40) on that one Sabotender before we gave up and killed it, which we almost wiped to because we had so much hate on and had to call jugs to lose hate.

Combined for the last 30 minutes and we have not been able to charm a Sabotender with a combined 50+ tries. Currently calling a GM now. Be aware if you are in Kuftal fighting any NMs.
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#2 Apr 08 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Update, we tried on another with 5 BST and went 0/130~ before killing it. We are combined 0/200+. Charm confirmed broken vs these.
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#3 Apr 08 2009 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is that particular sabotender a placeholder? I noticed the LoO PH was uncharmable under any circumstances.

And yeah, that one burned me during a pet swap lol.
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That's strange, that it would be Sabotenders, of all mobs.

If I could log in right now I'd go check other areas like the deserts and see if it's all cactuars.

Is gauge giving the regular message? And is the mischarm message the same as when you mischarm a normally charmable mob? I wonder if they moved them to the "greater" mobs, or if it's just a glitch.

Hopefully the latter.

(Unless this is a hint that they'll be letting us choose Sic soon, but that's a pipe-dream.)
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#5 Apr 08 2009 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, Mariachi was actually already up and this was on 5~ different individual Sabotenders. It seems to be doing the same thing to Slimes which leads me to believe this has something to do with Resist Charm trait. We're gonna go out and try in Altepa in a few.

It gives the regular message and does not Bind them at all so I assume its just a glitch as of now. Knowing SE this wont be fixed for a week.

Edited, Apr 8th 2009 9:19pm by neuroticelite

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#6 Apr 08 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, at least cactuars aren't a heavily used exp family, so it shouldn't bother people exp much.

Unless it is, as you assume, a glitch with Resist Charm. That might hurt a few camps.
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#7 Apr 08 2009 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please let me know what GM Says.

I tried charming a Mousse in Pashow[S] and failed after 10x

must be broken too.

Any chance i can get my 2k back -.-
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GM conversation.

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#9 Apr 08 2009 at 6:27 PM Rating: Excellent
This is not limited to kuftal sabotenders. Also experienced it with Mousse in SSG. 30+ charms in a row failed. Caused me a death.

MAJOR bug for bsts this time around....
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#10 Apr 08 2009 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for that.


I'm really quite pissed over losing 2000xp to this...
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#11 Apr 08 2009 at 6:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wonder if raptors are still charmable?
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Just got through charming a few DC Raptors in Cape Terrigan as a 72 BST. So they don't appear to be tampered with.
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#13 Apr 08 2009 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not good. Just curious, did you try using Gauge on these? I'm wondering if it said you were able to charm them, or if it said unable to charm
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#14 Apr 08 2009 at 8:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can we get mad at SE now? Apparently Mandies are broken too... Which leads me to believe The Boyahda Tree camp is for the time being, a dead camp.
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#15 Apr 08 2009 at 9:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not good. Just curious, did you try using Gauge on these? I'm wondering if it said you were able to charm them, or if it said unable to charm


Guage said "You should be able to charm..."
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#16 Apr 08 2009 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Glad i checked the forums. Guess no B. Obulette for me tonight.
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For those who want to see a little vid I took of this fail, I posted it over on our forums.


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#19 Apr 09 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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well yes...

when i come home from work i'll be heading straight to boyada. if i should NOT be able to charm korrigans and there is no message on square's website that they're going to fix this immediately they'll lose another paying customer today. i'm so fed up with this...

#21 Apr 09 2009 at 5:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Went to ssgrotto farming new white mages scroll and i had to use a jug.
We can't charm Ooze lol
#22 Apr 09 2009 at 6:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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If Gauge still said that we could charm, it's not like they just flipped the "Charmable" switch to "no". So very strange.

I really wish SE would let a percentage of their customers copy (not move!) their character data to a test server to test these updates. We could catch these issues well before the update happens.

For those that haven't/don't want to check the SE page, this is going to get fixed today. Wish I weren't at work, I'd love to test it and see if the charm resistance is about the same after the update.

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#23 Apr 09 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
I checked the playonline website and I do not see an update for charm.
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Zerila wrote:
If Gauge still said that we could charm, it's not like they just flipped the "Charmable" switch to "no". So very strange.


I'm guessing that the natural charm resist trait that a few mob types seem to have was accidentally adjusted somehow, that would explain why only charm resistant mobs are affected.

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Just got through charming a few DC Raptors in Cape Terrigan as a 72 BST. So they don't appear to be tampered with.


As for raptors, I believe its only certain types of raptor have the charm resist bonus, the CoP ones that can use frost breath certainly have it.

I've just gone 0/14 in Uleguerand Range trying to charm the DC Nival Raptors (72+49chr), Calling Carrie and snarling when ever I was close to death. I was aiming for 20 attempts, but I ended up running out of CC and dying (I forgot to check my inventory before I headed out ><).

Still 0/14 is pretty bad, even by their standards so I'm guessing these ones are also immune.

I wonder if it works both ways and Charm resist equipment is also affected? It would be pretty fun going against certain Lamia NMs and not getting charmed XD

EDIT: 0/20 on Nival raptors now, went back as I had nothing better to do, I think its safe to say they are broken too. Tame failed everytime too 0/3 attempts.

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#25 Apr 09 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I checked the playonline website and I do not see an update for charm.


You're right, they don't specifically say it will be fixed in the emergency update. Charm not working properly is listed under "current known issues", though.
I probably shouldn't just assume ^^;
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I wonder if it works both ways and Charm resist equipment is also affected? It would be pretty fun going against certain Lamia NMs and not getting charmed XD


Hmm, this would be awesome, if even for a few days. Copycat KSNM anyone?
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I wonder if it works both ways and Charm resist equipment is also affected? It would be pretty fun going against certain Lamia NMs and not getting charmed XD


Hmm, this would be awesome, if even for a few days. Copycat KSNM anyone?


If I actually had some charm resist gear I'd certainly try it out XD
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#28 Apr 09 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're right, they don't specifically say it will be fixed in the emergency update. Charm not working properly is listed under "current known issues", though.
I probably shouldn't just assume ^^;


I was wishfully thinking that it was because I was planning an to solo or duo my Gaudy Harness over this weekend. *sigh* I guess I will have to enlist in more help.
#29 Apr 09 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Can I just say here, since I appear to be among friends...

This bug is a huge issue for me as a solo beastmaster. Huge swaths of my gameplay are out for me right now. Yet I post such feelings in the main forum and all I get are:

"QQ poor Beastmaster have a cookie"

"you guys need to chill down"

"So what, every update has bugs"

I mean its bad enough I get partied on top of, pets stolen/killed, jugs that don't zone, lose claim on NM's, etc, etc. but I never complain cuz I know bst suxx!

So when SE dumps this crap on me too. I'm just slightly pissed atm.

Hopefully in 4 hours it'll all be over XD
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I am actually stunned that people are actually still defending SE saying, its ok they don't test the patches that they shouldnt be expected to.

I would love to see these people get a job coding software and put something in not tested and see what happens to them.
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SE wrote:
- An issue causing the Beastmaster ability "Charm" to be invalid against certain monsters has been addressed.


So, looks like we may be ok. Probably still want to test and see if the charm resistance is still spiked (keep a jug pet and warp scroll handy!)
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#32 Apr 09 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
Zerila wrote:
SE wrote:
- An issue causing the Beastmaster ability "Charm" to be invalid against certain monsters has been addressed.


So, looks like we may be ok. Probably still want to test and see if the charm resistance is still spiked (keep a jug pet and warp scroll handy!)


Awesome. Where's my 2.5k exp compensation? Smiley: tongue
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Zerila wrote:
SE wrote:
- An issue causing the Beastmaster ability "Charm" to be invalid against certain monsters has been addressed.


So, looks like we may be ok. Probably still want to test and see if the charm resistance is still spiked (keep a jug pet and warp scroll handy!)


Awesome. Where's my 2.5k exp compensation? Smiley: tongue


Um...
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I don't gots it Smiley: frown
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#34 Apr 09 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Well, with fingers crossed, I went to charm another Mousse in Pashow[S].

Success! First try! XD

....and Peiste Skin on first kill (currently going for 100k on my server)

I still want my 2k back -.-
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I actually had less trouble charming last night on THF/BST than I have had in a long while (maybe 1 mischarm in 2 hours of non-stop playingand that was a mandy, only used food at the very beginning and the end, because I leveled). Maybe their intent was to actually LOWER charm resistance a bit, and someone entered the value in decimal instead of hex or something?

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