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#1 Dec 07 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Heya everyone!

Thought we could post all magian lvl 90 upgrades and if they're good enough ;)
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#2 Dec 07 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The OaT greatsword and scythe will 2-4x attack. They make the ultimate skill up and TP spam weapons. Sadly I am working on my Khandra atm.
#3 Dec 07 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Default
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Smells like an /r/ thread in here.

Nothing really changed, Magian weapons are still on top, and the other few added are between passable and ****.

Grabbed a few Dire Scythes out of curiosity, since I'm gonna have a ton of DN from going after seals anyway. One 99DMG and one 105DMG, both Nightmare Scythe +25%, so lulzy as ****. I don't expect the WS damage+ to be any but the ones on the WS path magian anyway.
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I was going to make a new thread for this but this would seems proper enough to ask my question.

I have a ultimatum and began the trial to obtain the 50 two leaf chloris buds right after it came out not knowing what it entailed and not having known SE was implementing relic 3.0. Is it possible to abandon that trial and start another one with the ultimatum? I see one that says you need 20 kindred crests and it gives you a pretty good looking scythe that grants the new weapon skill and has pretty good damage. I believe it's called the Penitence and says it only needs 20 kindred crests? How does this compare to other options? Just wondering what the best course of action for me to take would be right now.

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#5 Dec 08 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, you can cancel your trials, but once you complete a trial, you can't go back.

The other Ultimatum path is good as it gives you the empyrian weaponskill eventually. You just have to participate in the hellhole called Walk of Echoes.
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Yeah, you can cancel your trial and go with the alternate path, which is what I did with my multihit path scythe when Verthandi was being a tightwad *****, 0/4.

You need coins from WoE first, then the Kindred's Crests, then an assload (50 iirc) of the new High Kindred Crest.

Coin drop rates in WoE have been jacked up quite a bit, to about one coin every other mob now versus every ten or so.

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 12:04am by Raelix
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Ahh I see, now to see if anyone actually does WOE on my server.

Does anyone know how hard those new high kindred crests are to get yet?
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They drop like candy from lv90+ mobs. I have a half-dozen or so already.
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They seem to occupy the same seal slot as Kindred Crests and possibly Geodes, the HCCs maybe even requiring mobs level 90+. While not hard to get, I wouldn't say they rain, either. I only wound up with 2 after taking 2 jobs to 90 over the past couple nights.
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#10 Dec 08 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh, I finished Maschu +2 in about a day. Do Dominion, EXP, and small man seal farming with your LS and/or trusted friends and you'll get 50+ in a day or two. Just don't be a jack off and lot them if you aren't on that trial. This Magian path is made 1000x harder because people lot WoE coins, lot H. Kindred Crests, etc. because they'll finish it "someday".
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Just a note HQ Kindered Crest are easy to get. Xland S. Imps and demons drop them as well as NQ ones. And most are only EP-DC at 90.
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Scythe still sh*ts all over Great Sword. For nostalgias sake I keep both leveled, and I even made the WS Dmg +10% GS. My STR Scythe crushes it. My highest Spinning Slash has been about 1600. Highest Guillotine has been just under 3k. I'd like to see Great Sword have more use than "for the lulz" but I doubt it.
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#13 Dec 09 2010 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget this level 90 scythe :)

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Scythe still sh*ts all over Great Sword. For nostalgias sake I keep both leveled, and I even made the WS Dmg +10% GS. My STR Scythe crushes it. My highest Spinning Slash has been about 1600. Highest Guillotine has been just under 3k. I'd like to see Great Sword have more use than "for the lulz" but I doubt it.
Those numbers are absolutely meaningless.
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I have the gs with +10 ws damage and wondering what route would be better for it. The 100tp or the more base damage and 10 ws damage?
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#16Dreakon, Posted: Dec 09 2010 at 11:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Check it out yourself. While parsing it might be a bit more formal. The difference is blatantly obvious to all but the stupidest people. The only people still arguing for Great Sword are the people that do it for the looks. And if that's your "play style" cool. But I'm talking damage output. And in that regard Scythe still wins, by a long shot.
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Dreakon wrote:
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Those numbers are absolutely meaningless.
Check it out yourself. While parsing it might be a bit more formal. The difference is blatantly obvious to all but the stupidest people. The only people still arguing for Great Sword are the people that do it for the looks. And if that's your "play style" cool. But I'm talking damage output. And in that regard Scythe still wins, by a long shot.
Soul Eater favors scythe because of guillotine, so it's only natural that your highest weaponskill damage will come from scythe.

Soul Eater is not always a viable option and guillotine is going to be a joke on stronger mobs.


The statistic of "my highest damage weaponskill" is one of the worst comparisons anyone can possibly make. Sounds like a bad case of BNS to me.
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Dreakon wrote:
Scythe still sh*ts all over Great Sword. For nostalgias sake I keep both leveled, and I even made the WS Dmg +10% GS. My STR Scythe crushes it. My highest Spinning Slash has been about 1600. Highest Guillotine has been just under 3k. I'd like to see Great Sword have more use than "for the lulz" but I doubt it.


Your conclusion is irrelevant barring testing of Torcleaver and Quietus.
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#19 Dec 09 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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firefeng wrote:
Dreakon wrote:
Scythe still sh*ts all over Great Sword. For nostalgias sake I keep both leveled, and I even made the WS Dmg +10% GS. My STR Scythe crushes it. My highest Spinning Slash has been about 1600. Highest Guillotine has been just under 3k. I'd like to see Great Sword have more use than "for the lulz" but I doubt it.


Your conclusion is irrelevant barring testing of Torcleaver and Quietus.

Actually his conclusion is only reinforced by the addition of Tocleaver and Quietus, despite his egregious errors in arriving at it, because Quietus gives Scythe the oomph Spinning Slash has on stronger mobs, while Tocleaver is about equal at best unless you wanna play it like Spiral **** 2.0. Guillotine and Spinning Slash are way behind both anyway, and even Souleater barely brings Guillo up to par

Short version: Quietus is Spinning Slash 2.0 with SE's classic 'f*ck you DRK' of having a MND secondary, while Torcleaver is VIT modded. Take your pick, neither comes close to 4k+ Crit WS territory anyway.

Torcleaver is way better on lolPLD, but then Chant du Cygne says "Sup."

Edited, Dec 9th 2010 2:30pm by Raelix
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Edited, Dec 9th 2010 2:30pm by Raelix
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#21 Dec 09 2010 at 7:58 PM Rating: Decent
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easy 5 hit on scythe, why aren't you fulltiming souleater in abyssea, etc.
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I'm working on capping my Great Sword Skill atm. I will parse the next abyssea party and post results.
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I'm working on capping my Great Sword Skill atm. I will parse the next abyssea party and post results.
No need, pretty sure we already know the results: scythe will win by a clear margin. Even I know that great sword just can't compare with scythe in most situations.
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Actually his conclusion is only reinforced by the addition of Tocleaver and Quietus, despite his egregious errors in arriving at it, because Quietus gives Scythe the oomph Spinning Slash has on stronger mobs, while Tocleaver is about equal at best unless you wanna play it like Spiral **** 2.0


Except that one WS ignores defense, and one increases damage, and it's really **** easy to pump 900+ ATT in Abyssea without outside buffs, and 800+ outside Abyssea, thus minimizing the effect of ignoring defense. And also, Raelix talking out of his *** again and coming to biased conclusions without the benefit of small, trifling things like facts to back them up. (And no one is surprised by this at all.)

Again, further testing of both WS is required before you're allowed to **** your retarded opinions all over the DRK forums.
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#25Dreakon, Posted: Dec 10 2010 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Firefeng, you sound hilariously butthurt. We've all seen screenshots of both weapon skills. And even if Torcleaver was significantly better (Which it isn't, it's only marginally better) than Quietus, the Scythe DOT would still put it ahead over all. If you want to full time a Great Sword and pretend to be Cloud, by all means, but you look like the idiot here, not Raelix.
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I've had Quietus for a couple months, and an LS mate has Torcleaver. I don't have a parser, for whatever reason they don't work on this computer.

I'm Hume, she's Mithra. Aside from that trivial difference we have about the same WS gear, +69 STR. It's the same gear (aside from changing the sea gorget obviously) I'd use for Torcleaver. Same buffs in Dynamis, Abyssea, HNM events, etc.

So far, I haven't seen Torcleaver perform anywhere near Quietus. The difference is fairly obvious, I'm talking by a good 300+ damage difference almost every WS.

It's possible using a sh*t ton of VIT gear will make the WS do crazy numbers but it's kind of hard to pull a full VIT set out of thin air. Especially on DRK.

The sole indication that Torcleaver is an above average WS comes from 1 Einherjar parse on BG, where it averaged 2k damage and spiked to 2.5k. How in the **** they did that I have no idea, considering they used more or less the exact same WS gear as us, STR based.

So make of this what you will. I'm 16/30 on Decay but after I finished Penitence +1 and Maschu +2 I'm taking a break from WoE. When I finsh the GS I'll compare the two.

Edited, Dec 10th 2010 6:35pm by Hexagram
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