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#1 Dec 30 2009 at 3:07 AM Rating: Good
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The thing gives +3% hp. when you're 2-handed zerg build is already sitting at close to 1900 HP like mine is, this piece becomes the best HP equip you can get for that slot to my knowledge; it would give me about 55 more hp easy as opposed to the +30 from a forest sash. trouble is, the event it comes from seems rather random on the rewards. any DRK's bothered to get one that could offer me any pointers the next time said event rolls around?
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#2 Dec 30 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Isn't this belt a waste of a slot for a zerg build for the sheer reason your losing 4 or 6 haste from your belt?
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#3 Dec 30 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Isn't this belt a waste of a slot for a zerg build for the sheer reason your losing 4 or 6 haste from your belt?
Pretty much; for the sake of an extra five points of damage on a hit I'd rather attack another 4% faster.
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#4 Dec 30 2009 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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To be fair, he specifically mentions 2-handed zerging, which can cap haste with 12% Haste from gear, freeing up the belt slot.
#5 Dec 30 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Oh. In that case, fair enough.
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#6 Dec 30 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
For the first 30 seconds of a 2 hander zerg you should be riding last resort for a butt ton of haste. For those 30 secs wear the moogle belt and maybe some other hp over haste gear.

You've gotta calculate all the haste you're getting at that time.

When LR wears off then swap all the haste gear back in.
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#7 Dec 30 2009 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
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Not worth giving up a Haste belt. If you can drop Haste in other slots you can probably find a better place for than the belt.

Next question.

Edited, Dec 30th 2009 2:35pm by Turin
#8 Dec 30 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Not worth giving up a Haste belt. If you can drop Haste in other slots you can probably find a better place for than the belt.

Next question.


That's a retarded answer. Wrong too.

Unless you're going to find a Head, Hands, Legs, or Feet equip that gives 50 more HP that gives more than W.Turban or Homam pieces?
#9 Dec 30 2009 at 2:24 PM Rating: Default
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What if he has ASA legs instead of Homam? He'd be better of dropping those, keeping the belt and using Ares legs if he had them. Or maybe he had Dusk Hands, he could keep the belt and use Creek Mitts if he's a Taru, or River Gauntlets if he's Mithra, or Alkyoneus's Bracelets. The point is that there are better places to drop Haste than the belt slot since the belt slot is the place we can get the most Haste in.

But hey, you go right ahead living in your little world where there is only one possible gear setup and you're always right about everything. The rest of us will keep a more open mind and find alternatives that will fit better with what we have and what we're likely to get.
#10 Dec 30 2009 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Consider that Aru may be genuinely right with needing only 12% Haste in gear for a two-handed zerg, assuming capped JA/magic haste -- if you've got Haste you don't need, it makes no sense to leave it on. If your HP's high enough it's one of the single biggest HP boosts you can get from gear (especially for Elvaan, like the OP going by the mention of Forest Sash, or Galka)
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#11 Dec 30 2009 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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What if he has ASA legs instead of Homam?


Then he should get the @#%^ing Homam. That was simple.

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The point is that there are better places to drop Haste than the belt slot since the belt slot is the place we can get the most Haste in.


Doesn't matter for two-handed zergs because you cap out at 12% gear haste.


Nothing changes the fact that it's actually the best slot to drop haste from for two-handed zergs because all the other slots can give Haste and HP.
#12 Dec 30 2009 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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here's what i'll be wearing for the first 30 seconds of my zerg while last resort is up and i need only 12% haste gear to cap as a drk/sam. for argument's sake i am including the gold moogle belt

anything with an * is a slot where one could argue that i could swap out for either hp or haste

main: bahamut zaghnal
sub: sword strap
ammo: fenrir's stone during the day, happy egg at night
*head: walmart turban
neck: cougar pendant but want to upgrade to bloodbead gorget
earrings: cassie and bloodbead (intruder if outside own nation's control)
body: gloom breastplate
*hands: Alky's (best HP piece i can wear in this slot as an elvaan)
*rings: bomb queen and blitz
back: Gigant mantle
*Waist: gold moogle belt (wearing forest sash now)
*Legs: Homam
*Feet: homam

Homam feet are pretty nice. Only thing i could swap them for would be Llwyd's Clogs for the 4% hp boost. for argument's sake we'll call them hp+75. that would leave me needing to make up 3% haste somewhere else. in THAT instance, i'd swap out the waist piece for my swift belt, as well as my blitz ring since that would be 1 more haste then i need. i'd toss in an HP ring, hopefully bloodbead. in that instance i'd gain about 40 more hp than i would have with my current set up. this is actually what i am working towards, but i brought up the gold moogle belt as an alternative because i think it's below the radar for some, and because in the meantime, until i pick up the clogs my waist piece is an HP slot.

now, looking at leg slot. i could put dusk+1 there for a gain of 11 hp over homam... BUT i now have to make up 3% haste. keeping the clogs i mentioned before, under perfect conditions i could swap to a velocious belt or ninurta's sash, AND the blitz ring, but then i'd actually LOSE hp as compared to keeping homam in that slot because of what i'd lose in the ring slot. the same would be true swapping in homam feet, same haste, lower HP. swap homam hands or dusk gloves in to make up the haste and again i wind up with same haste, less hp.

last slot left to argue is headgear. only other option is swapping out for wyvern helm+1 for ONE MORE HP. 1 more hp is NOT worth the trouble of having to make up 5% haste so i won't even go into it.

Now keep in mind, this is all while last resort/desperate blows is in effect. once it goes down, i'll swap in as much haste gear as i can

Edited, Dec 30th 2009 2:41pm by Aluus
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#13 Dec 30 2009 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're making Night/Day specific builds, get Ladybug Ring+1 and use it over Blitz Ring, and drop the alky's for Homam/dusk. Do the same if you get Bloodbead or Sattva Rings. Or Augment rings with more than 20hp on them.

Don't bother with the clogs, put the effort in for Bloodbead ring and save some gil.

#14 Dec 30 2009 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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except clogs AND bloodbead would be best. turban+homam legs+swift belt=capped haste under DB. in this case the +90 hp from alky's+bloodbead easily surpasses the +44 hp from dusk/homam+ladybug+1 during the day. with head, waist and legs being the only slots i need haste in, and body being my souleater piece that means everything else goes towards max hp. as an elvaan the clogs are as good as it gets that way

edit: i DO get what you're saying. ladybug+1 and dusk/homam during the day til i can get what i want for 4 more HP.

Edited, Dec 30th 2009 5:12pm by Aluus
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