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#102 Mar 28 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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gods arent a good place to test SCH vs BLM mainly for the fact that a fully meritted BLM still resists alot on sky gods. SCH, with a little less natural elemental skill, can still get up to 320 skill I believe. 256base, +16 from merits, AF body +15, Genie gages +8, Elite Beret +5, Merciful cape +5, Druid's slops +5, Elemental torque +7, Elemental earring +3 (Wizards earring +5 for /blm)..+64/7 from gear. Needless to say 95% of the time 320 skill will be plenty.

As far as /sch, I completely agree that it has its uses. It can't compare for solo, but for alliance events, its a good option. While sublimation is very average with no stoneskin for healing, most of the cases when you would be /sch you would have some sort of refresh anyway. I've personally been going to sky lately as blm/sch just cause you save 10% on every single cast, as well as the extra Strategems you can use on some bigger spells to save mp. That mp really adds up. If you are smart there is absolutely no use for stoneskin/blink/gravity etc. If I get hate, odds are we were about to wipe anyway, so big deal.

Edit: my crappy grammar

Edited, Mar 28th 2008 12:33pm by haleoale
#103 Mar 30 2008 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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instead of per nuke comparison, if both jobs were to nuke from 100% mp to ~0 mp which would have the highest net damage assuming roughly equal gear?
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#104 Apr 02 2008 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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instead of per nuke comparison, if both jobs were to nuke from 100% mp to ~0 mp which would have the highest net damage assuming roughly equal gear?


DMG:MP SCH has it made, toss in Helix and there is no real comparison.
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#105 Apr 02 2008 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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BLMS have absolutely nothing to worry about they will always be easily top dog for many events


True, but i bet SCH don't have to solo their way to 75...
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#106 Apr 02 2008 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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BLMS have absolutely nothing to worry about they will always be easily top dog for many events


True, but i bet SCH don't have to solo their way to 75...


Not like BLM solo stops there, then you have your buffer to repair each week or so.

Then again my BLM is 12 so I could have let the real BLMs say that.
#107 Apr 03 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
What's wrong with BLMs having competition for magic damage? Every melee has like 8 other jobs to compete with for physical damage

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#108 Apr 05 2008 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Suucat wrote:
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BLMS have absolutely nothing to worry about they will always be easily top dog for many events


True, but i bet SCH don't have to solo their way to 75...


BLMs only "have to" solo to 75 because people only xp in ToAU zones.

I recall having a BLM from 10-75 in EVERY one of my parties just mere months and even years before ToAU came out.

The only thing "wrong" with BLMs having a "significant other" as they say, is because BLMs are whiny bitches, see the post I quoted above.

They think the world is against them, when before BLMs even commented on wanting a 2nd nuking class in game, RDM doesn't count, now that one is here, they bitch.

Though they only bitch because SCHs got Tier IV nukes, which alone shows how whiny BLMs truly are.
#109 Apr 05 2008 at 5:41 AM Rating: Default
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BLM dont really have anything but elemental magic, thus we deserve the highest possible dmg/mp and all that crap on it.

SCH have access to all sorts of spells, white magic and black magic.

To be balanced, scholar should only be able to put out 3/5 of the dmg a blm puts out total.
#110 Apr 05 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Theonehio only likes SCH because he can wear AF and fight malboros to play out his weeaboo fantasies. Remember, SE employees are demigods who can do no wrong, and anyone who dares question The Product is a blasphemous whiner. Sage Sundi could rape his sister and this guy could get pissed if she washed afterwards and destroyed that beautiful Sundi Spunk smell.

This discussion was over a while ago in the other topic. Don't try to restart it.

Edited, Apr 5th 2008 1:44pm by Kerberoz
#111 Apr 05 2008 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Anyway, sch doesn't need a nerf. Blm needs a buff.
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#112 Apr 05 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Kerberoz wrote:
Theonehio only likes SCH because he can wear AF and fight malboros to play out his weeaboo fantasies. Remember, SE employees are demigods who can do no wrong, and anyone who dares question The Product is a blasphemous whiner. Sage Sundi could rape his sister and this guy could get pissed if she washed afterwards and destroyed that beautiful Sundi Spunk smell.

This discussion was over a while ago in the other topic. Don't try to restart it.


Go away. While Theonehio is quite the douchebag, you far surpass him.
#113 Apr 07 2008 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Theonehio only likes SCH because he can wear AF and fight malboros to play out his weeaboo fantasies. Remember, SE employees are demigods who can do no wrong, and anyone who dares question The Product is a blasphemous whiner. Sage Sundi could rape his sister and this guy could get pissed if she washed afterwards and destroyed that beautiful Sundi Spunk smell.

This discussion was over a while ago in the other topic. Don't try to restart it.


ouch those were some strong words. I don't condone how you said what you said. However in the case of Theonehio, he has already given himself away.

He quite obviously, from what I have seen, knows a bit about what its like to work in the game industry. I have suspected hes actually an employee of SE or possibly another company with ties too SE.

He SEEMs to me as if he knows some behind the scenes lingo a tad. He never gave himself away enough where I could tell WHAT it is he does do though. So I cant pinpoint if he is an level designer or an artist or sound guy or technical designer, coder what ever.

Most likely I vote QA staff ;P

So this isn't conclusive, mind you, but my gut is telling me the guys "zealous" attitude might not be result of being a fan boy but rather hes sticking up for decisions of people he knows personally. ;p

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Too be honest id rather have SE employees, come to forums and critique bad ideas or post what they think rather than not post at all.. I can give a damn less about some details anymore but so many terrible debates and arguments between players could have been resolved if an SE employee showed up and corrected us or explained things from time to time..

SE: "We felt sublimation stacking with refresh was a bad idea because..."
SE: "+charm effects the job ability "charm" only in this/these ways..."

I don't know..
The reason why people in the industry cant post freely like this though is because of 13 year old asshats who flame people who speak or cause drama about choices made. It could potentially cause problems with the company itself. Shareholders might read these posts.. *shrugs* who knows what the hell can happen..

You would practically need to have an iron will not to curse some idiots out I imagine hehe... Likewise it would possibly cause some people to leave just because they can have their way instead of staying thinking they would eventually have what they want even if its not true..

Personally I am just tired of the bullsh*t.. I would take a cocky asshat SE employee flaming people over still not knowing how +charm and +chr really effect charm and why gauge gives such shoddy results after like 5 years of playing the game. Or for that matter know exactly what made SE decide to not make sublimation stack with refresh.

thats pretty desperate to say the least..

But just imagine if SE grew a pair and ended a windower debate on page 2 or something like that... hehe..

Ah to live in a fantasy land for a day hehe.... /rant

Anyway...
Theonehio has always acted a little fishy to me hehe..
If not at SE he seems to work in the game industry.. Or at least hangs out with people who do..

*I could be wrong though.. just my gut talking here!

Edited, Apr 7th 2008 10:29am by thorazinekizzez
#114 Apr 07 2008 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to give a nice unbiased argument from someone who hasn't touched blm in 4 years and hasn't unlocked scholar.

BLMs got shafted when ToAU came out. They were left in the dust clinging to only eachother as melee/nins, brds, and rdms revolutionized (or ruined) meritting. They wanted to be able to keep up, to be able to maintain MP efficiency so that they could continue to be a consistent Damage Dealer. Then, they create a job with very similar traits to BLM, and give them amazing MP efficiency, among an entire array of Light Arts. It sounds kind of painful.


Ok, I wasn't going to reply to this thread, however this nonsense has to be challenged. Let us go back to a time pre-ToAU when the BLM's controlled the BRD's and BRD's would "manaburn onry" in their /seacom. Did you forget those SEA camps vs the melee Deco burns? Please tell me you're not that stupid, you just have a bad memory. BLM's were always the sh*t on all Gods and land HNM. Speaking as a RDM during this time,2 jobs were considered Gods. BLM and RNG. I swear I had only a mere handful of parties where I had no BLM all because of the 1337 dmg from MBing. Most melees like DRG which have a huge advantage now due to camps like colibri/puks etc were always the last picked job along with SAM and DRK. Oh, I didn't even mention THF did I.

The only thing ToAU did was create more noobs and give melee jobs a chance to be on par/exceed manaburns for the first time. I refuse to stand by and let some distorted opinion of woe as me BLM go unchallenged. A lot of melee jobs like MNK, DRG, SAM, WAR all had their flags up for a damn long time during those years. Now that BLM's are basically forced to solo or manaburn only people like you bitch about it.

edit: Oh, and by the way, I had to solo most of my way on BLU because of the new elitism. So no, BLM isn't the only victim of not being wanted by the 'standard'XP party.

Edited, Apr 7th 2008 11:30am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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#115 Apr 08 2008 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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*walks out of the PUP forums for just a second* I only read the 1st page so if this is a conversation shift, {Please forgive me.}

*phew* sigh of relief here, so glad the WHM and BLM forum did not crucify PUPs when the job that has something if used right has unlimited MP. Even more glad that when we were the only other job to get Cure 5 and Regen 3 and Tier 4 nukes (Which if with proper merits and attachments and usage, kicks ass).

So thank you for not crucifying PUP for taking the orgionality away first, maybe it is due to our small numbers and even then especially due to our skilled compared to unskilled in that small numbers ratio.


Another point to on the 1st page "SCH should not of gotten T4 nukes" "That is the bread and butter of BLM" "I enjoyed being the only magic power house (what ever that one was)"

Well why not compare Microsoft to Apple in the terms of someone who used to be the only?

Game wise, does a SAM complain when DRK/SAM uses meditate and has a store TP trait? How childish is this in a "HEY THATS MINE GIMME GIMME YOU CANT HAVE" kind of way? Is the game still balanced? In the way it used to be? Obviously not, but BLM is not better than SCH and SCH is not better and BLM or WHM. I would say it is still as balanced as it could and should be. Let the little pig in to feed on the mom, geeze. O.o
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#116 Apr 09 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Did you forget those SEA camps vs the melee Deco burns?


b/c so many BLMs beat COP and could exploit the sea camps pre-nerf.

*I* did and I had a grand whopping 1 PT there, and it didn't come close to the 25-28K / hour COR/BRD/RDM/DRK/xxx/xxx greater bird camps I've been able to pull off.




Edited, Apr 9th 2008 5:07pm by kerryak
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