You have to consider the entire package when you bring a DNC to Nyzul. I don't quite understand why people don't think a DNC can DD. Mobs inside Nyzul are generally no higher than decent challenges. I think we can all agree that DNCs can completely destroy low-level mobs. Furthermore, the mix of DD, debuffing, and enhancing everyone on the front line is extremely potent. This is particularly noticeable if you're teamed up with a BRD and mage Haste.
Admittedly, DNC is less than stellar on the bosses themselves if you only account for the DD perspective. For example, Fafnir's Hurricane Wing is devastating to a group of melees because the blindness it inflicts is unusually nasty. However, Quickstep, Desperate Flourish, and Pyrrhic Kleos make this much more bearable. You can see the difference you make if you know where to look.
Violent Flourish is useful; that goes without saying. I'm sure anyone will suddenly appreciate a DNC's input if you get those extremely unlucky White Magic restriction floors. :p
Another facet: for lamp floors, a DNC can traverse the floor quickly and safely with the use of Jigs. Similarly, they can dash back to floor up if the situation calls for it.
All good points, actually. Thank you for the detailed perspective! I hadn't really thought about the whole being self-sufficient thing for lamp floors.
Dnc for those instant curebomb waltzes, haste samba, STUN and box step. You can land them on anything including the bosses, spot spikehealing is very welcome, and the favored jobs for nyzul tend to be SAM here, so DD isnt an issue, whereas support for the sams is.
Ah yes I'd forgotten about Dnc's ability to spike heal, thanks for bringing that one up.
if you have trouble getting people to let you in, you need to become a leader yourself.
as for your secondly, strong DDs can obviously DD harder than DNC (and anyone who tells you different is someone too attached to DNC and who doesn't understand DD)
as for 20/40/60/80/100 floors, honestly, the other jobs besides a SAM or two who know what they're doing don't matter; dusty wing, invincible, and possibly body boost items guarantee about 7-8 WSs from the SAM, which is usually enough to kill any boss (along with the incidental DD of everyone else).
Good points. Sometimes taking the lead is the only way to get people to see things outside of their box. And I do agree that Dnc does have decent DD potential, but not top-notch where it's needed compared to those jobs implied there.
My personal experience with dnc is that it is welcome ONLY if you have strong support from the rest of the party. In other words, you won't be taking the place of any roles of any other jobs.
I completely agree with this as well. Dnc on its own has untapped potential that can moreso be brought about in the company of others, in others words it provides an extension to what is already present.
on the 60-100 boss, i think dnc would have a lot of trouble : they have strong paralyses, cerby and hydra stoneskin/physical shield(no tp) and khimaira tp reset...
also, most of theses boss attack are aoe magical attacks, and divine waltz isn't exaclty good. being in range, the dmg you take would probably negate a lot of your healings...
It seems that the boss floors leave a little more to be desired for Dnc and I will definitely take extra caution when considering Dnc for boss runs.
DNC in Nyzul is basically about knowing what your job is capable of, and what your party needs out of you most. You really have to know what DNC can do, ALL of what DNC can do, and then you can pretty much throw yourself into whatever role needs doing. The thing I most often hear is "I didn't know DNC could do that..." People just don't know what the job is capable of, so they discount it as crap without ever giving it a chance most of the time.
After reading all of the excellent info here, this statement pretty much sums up what I've failed to fundamentally understand, and probably explains the same reasoning for Dnc being denied for the Nyzul runs I've mentioned.