Endgame weapons?Follow

Yup.

Personnaly I'd go with high base damage in main hand (Azoth, Jambiya if your poor, Ermine's Tail) and BK+1 in off hand, that 10 atk is very good and shouldn't be underestimated

Unfortunately our weapon combo depends on the situation. I'll break it down into categories

Best DPS Combo: Azoth/Ermines

This is simple, take the daggers that have the two highest base DMG. Ermine's has slightly higher DPS due to the lower delay.

Runner up: Ermine's/Adder +1. This is a beast of a combo since you will actually get more tp over time than azoth/ermines. But you will see slightly less WS DMG and won't have the extra acc from azoth. Plus, good luck getting an adder +1...


Best WS combo: Tie between Azoth/Ermines(or /adder+1) and Azoth/BK+1

Since most of us will be using either dancing edge, Pyrrhic kleos, or evisceration, it's important to have an offhand dagger that can contribute to all hits possible. BK+1 will give an extra 10 attack on all hits which is nice. But you also have to consider your overall DMG when TPing which is why the higher DPS daggers will give you a slight edge in that department.

Best TP combo Depends

Here's where it gets tricky. If you're PURELY going for TP and not worried about DPS DMG or WS DMG and lets say, for arguments sake, you are hitting for 1 DMG on each dagger, your best combo for building tp is probably going to be an Ogre jambiya with augmented STP offhanding CUK. And before any of you other people jump on me, I know that your DMG will be crap as I already stated earlier, but again, if you're just going for TP such as main healing in a merit party and you have a good amount of haste, this combo will be tough to beat.

In addition to this, if you have a brd friend and a decent haste setup, its hella funny to use these 2 daggers under haste samba/saber dance/2X SV march. You can literally solo a G colibri under these settings (provided that it doesn't spam pecking flurry on ya)

Now if damage has to be considered (in most cases it will be) then simply go for the best DPS combo stated above.

Best solo combo Azoth/Ermine's

This is another no brainer. High DPS with 4 acc, 4 agi, and 12 evasion overall. Gravy if you're soloing Amemet too XD.

Best support combo Azoth/adder(+1)

I really can't stress enough how helpful offhanding an adder is. The evasion down procs quite a bit on just about anything you fight. The effect only lasts a minute and it doesn't stack with the effect from PK, but it does stack with steps and desperate flourish to help both you and your party hit that much more on evasive mobs. That combined with your azoth's acc will also help your acc to keep sambas on the mob.

And now the stuff to avoid.

Cobra unit knife: Yes I know I said that its the fastest way to get tp, but in most other situations you're going to want the DPS from the other daggers

Kard: Its CHR doesn't justify its low DPS. NEVER use this dagger...

Ogre Jambiya: Its good to use if you can't afford azoth/adder yet or still farming for ermines. Until I see one with +6 DMG I really can't recommend using one full time in main hand.

Joyeuse: As stated by kaishen, joyeuse's low acc due to D rating can't justify its use even with the 45% DA rate although it WILL come out on top in terms of TP in some situations but only BARELY. But with that considered, you will also do less overall damage. If you need math check this link here (just try to ignore the rest of the BS on that page...it is KI after all >.>)

Terpisichore: Whoever designed this dagger needs to be shot...crap DPS and you can't get all of the aftermath effects until you do WS at 100% tp, then again at 200% and 300%. If there's any mob that will last that long I guarantee you that you won't be fighting it on DNC. Unless your a completionist (masochist would be a better term) don't bother wasting time getting this dagger.

Well hopefully that wasn't too long, but should give you a better picture at what options are available and why.


Edited, Aug 28th 2009 6:31am by Kalisa

I will definitely second that sentiment. I can't tell the difference between my damage now that I have Azoth over when I just used BK+1. I'm sure a parser could, but I can't.

If you can actually get an HNM shell to let you come to HNMs on DNC, and melee the HNMs, you might be best off with BK+1x2 as the added attack will be very important on those kinds of mobs. Or azoth/bk+1.

A couple of things about this...

My opinion is that Terpsichore is actually among the most useful of the mythic weapons. Most other jobs have weapons that are significantly better for what they do (HQ staves for mages except SMN, relic weapons for DDs, etc), but for what DNC does, terpsichore is unsurpassed. The augment to steps is dead useful cause it allows you to use reverse flourish every 30 seconds with 5 finishing moves AND get another flourish (violent or desperate) in the middle. That leads to significantly faster TP gain.

Secondly, there really is no practical way to get all three aftermath effects at once. Because of the durations of level 1 and 2 aftermaths, level 1 would wear off before you could get 200% tp for level 2, and level 2 would wear off before you could get 300% tp for level 3.

I'll admit that being able to RF every 30 secs would be nice but how are you getting another flourish? I'm assuming you're thinking that you get 6 total FM since you get 3 per step uncapped but u still only can get 5 max. Although I did totally forget that you can get 2 FM when steps are capped so that is a good thing about it (especially in campaign when everyone and their mother is /dnc and stepping ><)

And I may have been misinformed about how the aftermath effects stack up...but still...when is a DNC ever going to store up on 300% tp just to do a WS to have temporary additional effect? I'd rather throw out 3 DEs or use that TP for curing/erasing.

Overall, I just can't see the justification of going through all of that just to get a mediocre weapon...if it were say a rare drop from an NM then sure I would get one just to play around with and for town gear.

Step (3 FM) -> Flourish (2FM left) -> Step (5 FM) -> Reverse

You're absolutely right shib, and as I mentioned before if that's your dream and you have the means to do it then go for it. Just like its my dream to finally hit the gear haste cap someday...very marginal increase from where I am now and will cost more than I've cumulatively spent on everything in the game since I've started...yet I'm still going to try to do it ;)

But yeah for me...I'm gonna pass on terp...





Yup...again I wasn't thinking lol

Considering 20 mil is just a fraction of what it will cost you to buy your alexandrite, not to mention all the other sh*t you have to go through, so unless you are much more adept at making money than she is, I'm guessing she'll have you beat.

Dusk gloves + 1 are about 35 mil on my server (or at least that's what I saw the last few bazaared for about 7 months ago). but the hardest thing after getting the money will be to find another pair up for sale. Feet +1 run a lil under 3 mil so not too bad. Getting a V belt however will be really tough since I don't have an HNM to camp it nor do I think people from my socials will willingly help me nab one.

Well I am whoring out the FOVNM in sky to see if I can get some + haste on other gear in the meantime...which may take longer than getting the Gil lol.....; ;

With the amount of time that DNC spends above 100 tp, Blau wouldn't be a great option anyway.

Been a while but I use the Azoth and Adder