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#1 Jan 05 2011 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Thiss might be a stupid question, bare with me. I don't quite understand why people say blitzers roll will hurt TP gain. I know that the TP per hit will be reduced, but doesn't TP over time increase as weapon delay reduces? (below 450 delay)

This is the TP/time per delay chart I'm referencing. Maybe I'm just misreading it, but I believe TP over time will increase with reduced delay. (below 450 delay)
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/File:Tpgain.jpg
^ off-site link

I know it's not a potent as haste, but I don't understand why people say it reduces TP over time or kills x-hit builds. I guess what I am particularly interested in is how it will effect M.Kris specifically as that is what I'm running on my cor for the time being. With 192 delay, Im hoping it will benefit from the steepest section of the TP/delay reduction ratio.

So obviously there is something I am missing so I'd love your input.
#2 Jan 05 2011 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Long ago there was a hard floor for tp gain. Thfs use to the fastest dagger possible because they would always receive the se tp, then SE nerfed that. Basically blitzers is good as long as your not useing a 2 handed weapon with an x hit build.

It boils dow. To if the DD lose that build then it requires more swings to hit 100tp which slows them down or in similar case gives them to much tp and its wasted. If your sitting on 100+ tp and not saving it for a particular reason then your just wasteing time and damage. Generally x hit builds give you exactly 100 tp or very close so that your getting thefull benefit of each swing and not wasteing tp gain for your next ws.

Realistically though tacticians roll is far superior in almost everyway since ots giveing you tp while your in between mobs and attack rounds and doesnt mess with x hit builds. The only situation blitzers should be used is when in a pt with all single hand weilders.
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#3 Jan 06 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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even with the tp floor removed, the tp calculations do favor lower delay weapons. So you will comparably get a some benefit to TP gain with blitzers but not nearly as much as haste offers which lowers weapon delay without screwing with the tp calculations.

So theoretically fighters will outdo blitzers in most cases unless you have all 1H in your party with no WAR.
Even then tacticians might be better and with multihit crit WS, hunters or Rogues might end up being more useful. Depends on your kill rate, waiting times, 1H acc numbers, etc.

I use BLitzers when I'm fooling around /DNC on weak stuff. DOn't use it in parties much. Chaos/Hunters, Chaos/Fighters, Chaos/Tacticians are my typical combos depending on the situation.
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#4 Jan 06 2011 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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DD acc should be capped in abyssea sO hunters is a waste.
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#5 Jan 07 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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DD acc should be capped in abyssea sO hunters is a waste.


Should be but isn't always for the 1H (many still haven't fully skilled up or are on jobs that are 75-80 range). But yes Hunters is usually a waste when everyone brings their main level 90, fully skilled DD job. As has been always said, sh*t is situational. I know on COR my Acc is not capped even with RR and a DAG skill of 320. My Evisceration damage goes way up with Hunters.
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#6 Jan 07 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Dartagnann wrote:
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DD acc should be capped in abyssea sO hunters is a waste.


Should be but isn't always for the 1H (many still haven't fully skilled up or are on jobs that are 75-80 range). But yes Hunters is usually a waste when everyone brings their main level 90, fully skilled DD job. As has been always said, sh*t is situational. I know on COR my Acc is not capped even with RR and a DAG skill of 320. My Evisceration damage goes way up with Hunters.


Your doing somethig wrong then if your not capped in exp. Whats your gear.
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#7 Jan 07 2011 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Alobont wrote:
Dartagnann wrote:
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DD acc should be capped in abyssea sO hunters is a waste.


Should be but isn't always for the 1H (many still haven't fully skilled up or are on jobs that are 75-80 range). But yes Hunters is usually a waste when everyone brings their main level 90, fully skilled DD job. As has been always said, sh*t is situational. I know on COR my Acc is not capped even with RR and a DAG skill of 320. My Evisceration damage goes way up with Hunters.


Your doing somethig wrong then if your not capped in exp. Whats your gear.



320 skill lv is not cap at lv 90, so I guess that's why?

Also, sushi and certain subjob helps a lot, don't know what food you're using and what subjob. And temp items too.
Gear not so much IMO, since a lot of good haste gears has little/no acc.

#8 Jan 08 2011 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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Alobont wrote:
Dartagnann wrote:
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DD acc should be capped in abyssea sO hunters is a waste.


Should be but isn't always for the 1H (many still haven't fully skilled up or are on jobs that are 75-80 range). But yes Hunters is usually a waste when everyone brings their main level 90, fully skilled DD job. As has been always said, sh*t is situational. I know on COR my Acc is not capped even with RR and a DAG skill of 320. My Evisceration damage goes way up with Hunters.


Your doing somethig wrong then if your not capped in exp. Whats your gear.



320 skill lv is not cap at lv 90, so I guess that's why?

Also, sushi and certain subjob helps a lot, don't know what food you're using and what subjob. And temp items too.
Gear not so much IMO, since a lot of good haste gears has little/no acc.



This is kind of my point. Not everyone including myself is capped for accuracy these days with all the rapid leveling up. So until everyone gets there, Hunters can be useful. Asking everyone to eat sushi (with current prices) so you can roll fighters for xp seems a bit harsh. Why not let them eat some cheaper food and give them an accuracy roll that will bring them closer to cap and make a difference on multi hit crit WS's.
It's so easy to get xp these days, I don't see a big purpose going all elite on folks and demanding they come with capped skill or eat sushi. If there is room for low level leechers, there is room for poorly skilled thiefs and dancers who will do more dmg with hunters and get their skills up faster than with tacticians or rogues.

Personnally my melee setup has 45 acc and 15% haste and I'm usually /DNC in xp. I use crab sushi sometimes if I'm doing LS and pot au feu if I'm using slug. I rarely use squid since it's as pricey as sole on ifrit these days. I save that for nm's. I assume once I get my dag and swd capped acc will be fine. But it's not there yet.
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#9 Jan 08 2011 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Acc should never come from Hunters though. If you need acc for some reason (a lvl75 job?) then eat sushi (or Pizza+1). Once Temp items start comming in, Stalwarts Tonic is massive ACC too, which futher negates the utility of Hunters. Then, your also hurting other members in your pty by giving Hunters unless you all LVL75 which would mean for slow exp.
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#10 Jan 08 2011 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I wasnt trying to be all elite.

I am simply saying hunters roll is useless and with RR most melees regardless will be caped on acc. As far as food goes most people wont even eat a mithkabob these days because for EXP currently its a waste. Temp item and atmas and abyssites grant so much its not needed.

When I exp again ill parse my acc. Skill doesnt necessarily mean anything omce your useing temp items since ive been outparsing people with a sh*tty dagger and under leveled skill.
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#11 Jan 10 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Acc should never come from Hunters though. If you need acc for some reason (a lvl75 job?) then eat sushi (or Pizza+1). Once Temp items start comming in, Stalwarts Tonic is massive ACC too, which futher negates the utility of Hunters. Then, your also hurting other members in your pty by giving Hunters unless you all LVL75 which would mean for slow exp.


Once people start using temps or if they eat acc food, I switch to something else. Still doesn't change the fact that if they are not eating sushi (and no one I've seen does for Aby xp) and have underlevelled skills, Hunters will boost their damage if they are using multihit crit WS's more than some other rolls.

I don't control the members of my party, I just try to help maximize their damage.
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