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#52 Feb 15 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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Anza wrote:
I'm talking about fluctuations roughly in the time period since sky FoV NMs have been around.

Which would be right when all those new CORs were hitting 72-ish. Like myself.
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#53 Feb 16 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only chewzer wrote:
Anza wrote:
I'm talking about fluctuations roughly in the time period since sky FoV NMs have been around.

Which would be right when all those new CORs were hitting 72-ish. Like myself.


OK, that's one explanation. Might contribute. Again, we're making the same point though - there are other reasons besides FoV NM augments for Martial's price increasing. Post-relic/AF+1 CORs could be one cause. The FFXI community as a whole commonly accepting TP Bonus as good (see also: Hagun, Martial Bhuj) is another cause. More COR settling into endgame and gradually improving their gear to their permanent endgame set is another.

For what it's worth, on my server, Martials have been above 600k since well before the April '09 update adding sky FoV NMs. I bought mine in mid-late 2008 for about 650k, a pretty typical price for the time. Last five sold on my server (Titan) in February 2010 = 600k. I've seen them get up to nearly a million at times, but I'd estimate average over the past year or so to be about 700k. What this tells me is that on my server, Eraser fights to augment Martial Gun haven't resulted in a significant change in price.
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#54 Feb 17 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I blame Filian and Thunderlips. They're the most accomplished COR's on my server and likely tried the FOV NM's.
But I also note a lot more COR's on the server. And I note those COR"s are mostly /WHM and likely could care less about the martial gun.
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#55 Feb 17 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Anza wrote:
The One and Only chewzer wrote:
Anza wrote:
I'm talking about fluctuations roughly in the time period since sky FoV NMs have been around.

Which would be right when all those new CORs were hitting 72-ish. Like myself.


OK, that's one explanation. Might contribute. Again, we're making the same point though - there are other reasons besides FoV NM augments for Martial's price increasing. Post-relic/AF+1 CORs could be one cause. The FFXI community as a whole commonly accepting TP Bonus as good (see also: Hagun, Martial Bhuj) is another cause. More COR settling into endgame and gradually improving their gear to their permanent endgame set is another.

For what it's worth, on my server, Martials have been above 600k since well before the April '09 update adding sky FoV NMs. I bought mine in mid-late 2008 for about 650k, a pretty typical price for the time. Last five sold on my server (Titan) in February 2010 = 600k. I've seen them get up to nearly a million at times, but I'd estimate average over the past year or so to be about 700k. What this tells me is that on my server, Eraser fights to augment Martial Gun haven't resulted in a significant change in price.
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#56 Feb 18 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Martial Bhuj


First, I'm not a WAR. I assumed incorrectly that since people were regularly paying 1mil+ for this, that it was a decent choice. I actually just randomly read something yesterday that showed me this is indeed not the case. So yeah, your strikethrough is appropriate.

Still supports something I said though... people are certainly on the TP Bonus bandwagon these days (mostly due to Hagun, if you ask me), and they want it even in some cases where the item is NOT very good (Martial Bhuj). The TP Bonus bandwagon should certainly influence Martial Gun popularity/price too, right?
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#57 Feb 18 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Anza wrote:
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Martial Bhuj


First, I'm not a WAR. I assumed incorrectly that since people were regularly paying 1mil+ for this, that it was a decent choice. I actually just randomly read something yesterday that showed me this is indeed not the case. So yeah, your strikethrough is appropriate.

Still supports something I said though... people are certainly on the TP Bonus bandwagon these days (mostly due to Hagun, if you ask me), and they want it even in some cases where the item is NOT very good (Martial Bhuj). The TP Bonus bandwagon should certainly influence Martial Gun popularity/price too, right?


Perhaps the bandwagon-eers do help influence the price some. But for Martial Gun and Hagun, they are superior to other options by a nice margin (relic GKT excluded). As for Martial Bhuj, the price seems from a long time ago when it was the best option. Now, with the rise of /SAM a 6-hit is attainable quite easily with a 504 delay GAxe. Also several other gaxe have been put in game that beat it quite handly (Perdu being the lead Gaxe of those easily obtained).
Most COR that I see in game couldnt DD to save thier life and should honestly either go full in on EQ/food/merits or /mage. People parsing around 4-5% isnt helping anything.
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#58 Feb 18 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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I blame Filian and Thunderlips. They're the most accomplished COR's on my server and likely tried the FOV NM's. But I also note a lot more COR's on the server. And I note those COR"s are mostly /WHM and likely could care less about the martial gun.


I honestly have barely touched the augment system at all. (I don't even know if TL has a Martial Gun and if he does you probably will never see it on him in town anymore with his DP done, and why would you) The risk vs. reward payoff just isn't worth it in my opinion and with 5 jobs that I attempt to keep well equipped, I don't exactly have fat stacks of cash to throw at things like that. I think it's just a matter of supply and demand and the fact that exponentially more people are leveling COR now. Years ago before people were on the Hagun-train (and the SAM bandwagon unfortunately) I got my first Hagun for less than 1M, and that was when inflation was just taking hold so that was pocket change.

I do agree though that, even though more people are leveling COR, I tend to only see the ones still rocking AF1 at 75...In any case, it's not my fault. >_<
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#59 Feb 18 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I do agree though that, even though more people are leveling COR, I tend to only see the ones still rocking AF1 at 75...In any case, it's not my fault. >_<


I was being facetious. There's more than one factor with the rise in Martial Gun prices on Ifrit. More COR's (not sure why they've taken so long to decide to level the job... ), FoV spams, recognition that the hexaguns and coffinmakers aren't really that good for WS's.

Whatever it may be, I'm still not taking a million dollar gun and risking it for a modest beneficial effect. I'm totally happy with my COR's setup right now and any gear I add to it is gravy.
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#60 Feb 18 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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I do agree though that, even though more people are leveling COR, I tend to only see the ones still rocking AF1 at 75


By the way, does anyone else who uses AF+1 Body/Hat/Feet feel a little self-conscious sometimes? If I'm ever idling in my ranged gear I sometimes want to shout "I'm not wearing gimpy AF1, I swear!!!". Then I think about it, and realize that as long as people are getting their rolls they probably don't care whether I'm in level 1 RSE...
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#61 Feb 19 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way, does anyone else who uses AF+1 Body/Hat/Feet feel a little self-conscious sometimes? If I'm ever idling in my ranged gear I sometimes want to shout "I'm not wearing gimpy AF1, I swear!!!".


My idle set is Relic so I don't have to worry about being misinterpreted as an "AF COR". Unfortunately, even then i don't think most people care. i've never checked a BRD's gear in my life and I think people are often the same way with COR.

But it is too bad the AF +1 doesn't have a color pallette difference to make people stand out a bit.
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