Help me with my Slug Shot gear?Follow

Are you able to get Rajas ring? If so, look into Enkidu's Subligar or Skadi's Chausses. If not, I'd stick with Dusk. Try to get the Altdorf/Wilhelm earring set. For COR they are huge, providing some much needed accuracy as well as WSC. If you haven't used it for other jobs, Anwig Salade can be augmented with some great WS stats, too... I got mine with 4 STR & AGI, 15 WSacc, and 2% WS dam.

What you need to remember is that all those big WS numbers you see are about 30% gear and 70% buffs. COR is nice in that it comes equipped with it's own attack buff, but without the aid of Dia II/III, some Berserk, and maybe a 2nd BRD to give Minuets, you aren't going to see big returns.

The best thing you can do to increase WS damage is focus on landing them. You can figure out your ranged accuracy for yourself using this page as a reference. Glancing at your gear right now, I'd put you at about 410 or so, more if you have merits in Marksmanship. It's hard to say how much accuracy you need for Slug Shot since nobody has pinned down the exact accuracy penalty on it, but for birds I find I am capped at somewhere around 435ish. You should run a parser to get an idea of where you stand, or have somebody else run one for you.

Im not sure about you guys, but I break 1k damage without dia, angon and no drk in the pt, brd doing 1 attack song or double haste, with sushi and my build isnt the best of the best. A lot of CORs dont take the time to pull back from the mob to the sweet spot which will net you a significant increase in damage.

Main: Joyeuse
Range/Ammo: Martial/Steel
Head: Corsair's Tricorne: Look into the Anwig Salad
Neck: Spectacles: This is fine, alts are qigrin collar and PCC
Ears: Drone x2: Triumph Earrings cost a lot but are worth it.
Body: Corsair's frac +1 : Look into Mirke, mines a hybrid QD/QS peice and its still good.
Hands: Commodore gants: Ditch these and pick up Pallas, Barbrossa, C gloves.
Rings: Behemoth x2
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Commodore belt
Legs: Dusk
Feet: Corsair's Bottes +1

Yes, some of it has to do with pulling back. It really depends how much health the mob has left and the type of weapon you are using. With a minuet I'm always over 1k. I'm not talking about not have a dark knight in the party, but in parties where I have 3 rolls to do I will not have chaos roll on me about 20% of the time. At some point I will have evoker's and corsair's roll and no chaos roll. With Chaos or minuet I'm consistently 1k+. But, in those situations with no rolls and fighting the higher level colibri, I'm at ~950 damage.

My current setup is:

Main: M. Kris
Ranged: Martial gun (+7 racc augment)
Ammo: Steel Bullet
Head: Anwig Salade (str +5, ws acc+15, racc+10, ratt+5)
Neck: Breeze Gorget
Ears: Altdorf's/Wilhelm's set (+8 AGI, +1 ratt, +1 racc)
Body: Mirke Wardecors (+5 str, +5 agi, +10 racc, +10 ratt)
Hands: Skadi (+5 str, +5 agi, +10 ratt)
L. Ring: Jalzahn's Ring (+6 racc, +6 ratt)
R. Ring: Rajas Ring (+5 str)
Back: Amemet Mantle +1 (+15 ratt, +2 str, +1 agi augment)
Waist: Commodore Belt (+4 str, +8 racc, +5 ratt)
Legs: Desultor Tassets (+2 agi, +7 racc, +7 ratt)
Feet: Corsair's Bottes +1 (+5 str, +5 agi, +4 racc)

That gives me: +78 racc before +AGI, +26 AGI, +59 ratt before +STR, +31 STR
before any food of course (it should put me at ~380 ratt and around 457 racc on /dnc).

Focusing on the ratt, greater colibri have 327 defense. Thats a ratio of 1.16 and a level corrected ratio of .987. This means my damage multiplier is 1.0. My base damage during slug is about 149 which is 759 damage before piercing bonus. This comes out to 948 damage after piercing bonus. I think as far as ws mods, ratt and racc go I'm pretty close to the cap. So, without buffs its perfectly possible to cap out at less than 1k slug.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2010 3:15pm by Kwontos

Is there a reason for enkidu's over afv2? I never see any corsairs using afv2 legs in their slug build. I keep considering redoing my Desultor Tassets and going back to afv2 for slug. However, I like having the 7 racc at times in case I'm fighting something more than pink birds.

I wouldn't pick Enkidu's for 1 more STR in exchange for 3 AGI from Commodore. Then again, I don't use Commodore for Slug anyway (I do use 'em for Detonator though).

If you don't want to go all out R.Acc for Slug with Dusk Legs, Pahluwan (R.Acc+4, STR+3) are another nice option.

Nobody mentiond it because most of us are meleeing for TP. Corsair can get enough racc to be at 95% with pot-au-feu, but our melee acc would suffer. My last meripo my acc was 93%. But I'm getting 50ish acc from sushi. I'd be down around 68% acc with pot-au-feu. That extra acc corresponds to a ~36% increase in the number of slugshots which will not be overtaken by food.

I've considered lately shooting for TP, but I just can't justify the price tag. It seems as though any way I cut it (even if the rdm isn't hasting me) at best I'll break even in damage and at 5 bullets a minute + food I'd be over 50k an hour. That puts me at roughly double my current price of meriting.

In most instances, the STP on Enkidu's Subligar will work the same as the STP on Skadi's Chausses.

my slug setup is:

joytoy/X/murderer/steel
AF+1/light/supremacy/triumph
mirke(+10rattk)/crimson/ToAU ring/rajas
amemet+1/bucc belt/denali/AF+1

completely unbuffed, no food or anything i hit 950-1k as /rng on birds
with rolls + pot-au-feu sit around 1500-1700, if im lucky to get a minuet im right around 2k....and when im feeling frisky and go /war ive hit as high as 2700 with zerk and mins....8/8 marks merits and shoulda put racc on my mirke but did MAB for quick draw dmg and am too lazy to redo XD

oh and yes dynamis hates me.....been 8 months and have yet to see relic belt of legs >.>

Edited, Feb 5th 2010 12:16pm by BiggHowie

My ego would like a word with you.

You've seen 4 STR on a NQ Behemoth Ring? Best I had seen is 3, but thought the max might be higher.. Not that 3 vs 4 matters when I can't get 1 bloody point of STR on mine...

Edited, Feb 5th 2010 10:03pm by Carrilei

Jesus. That is insane... I know where my tabs are going from now on...

I'm pretty sure its eraser. Thats the one I'm trying.

I guess I have them backwards, I think the screenshot I was thinking of is halfway down the page here:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/?topic_id=4141&page=59

They have str+2 agi+4. I've also definitely seen one that has str+3. I'd be surprised if you could get 4 agi on it but not 4 str. I suppose its possible though. I certainly wouldn't complain about this combo.

He also has an amemet+1 with +racc, but its only 2 (certainly no reason to complain though).

I held on to them for a while, but eventually 7 was just too much. I also started to rationalize that the purpose of FoV augments was to remove items from the game. Therefore it is unlikely SE would let you un-augment them. The ability to un-augment is closer to the realm of synergy than FoV. Anyways they ended up getting NPCd :(

At least 3 of the augments had nothing but elemental resists. I think it might have been 4. One of them had +1 agi and -1 str and another had +1 str and -1 agi. I can't remember if the other one was just elemental resists or if it was +- stats that just weren't relevant.

I did them over a course of several months to lessen the pain. I had the gil, but it still sucks taking a 700k item and reducing it to trash.

I just tried behemoth ring +1 on Eraser and ended up with +1 agi and -1 str :( As soon as another is listed I'll try again. If I can get a good one from Eraser I'll confirm along with time/day/jobs in party/etc (that information for my martial gun is in the achievements thread, although I don't know if it really matters).

I have speed belt, I have dusk gloves +1, I have pcc, toreadors ring, etc. I've been playing a long time and I slowly have been accumulating everything I want. Some of us are at a point where we really aren't looking to gear/level another job. Regardless I have a steady stream of income just from hanging out with friends. People are always wanting to do ANNM, ISNM, BCNMS, limbus, etc. I like doing these events and it brings in a couple hundred k over the course of the week (well not ISNM, its the devil, but I do sell a lot of gold coins from merits).

As far as effecting the rest of the population, it doesn't have a huge impact. If I drive the price on behemoth rings +1 up to 500k a pop, the NQs are still 10k. Someone who isn't looking at "optimizing" really isn't going to care. The difference is white boarder and not really anything else.

You also have to remember that you're seeing comments from just a couple of people across over 30 servers. I've taken 6 martial guns out of play in my server and I don't know anyone else who has is doing the same. I also did it over a period of a couple of months which has minimal impact. The cheapest I got any of my martial guns for was 650k. I paid 700k for most of them at the time I was buying them (I might have even payed 750k for one). The last 4 sales on my server are.... 650k.

FFXI has never been cheaper to play. Its pretty hard not to make a couple hundred k a week just having fun in the game. Haubergeons, Scorpion Harnesses, Dusk Gloves and NQ pretty much anything else have never cost less relative to the economy at any point in ffxi history. If a couple end game items go up by 10% then it might take the hypothetical "average player" one more week to fully gear their character.

You also fail to remember that when prices go up, someone is getting that money. If the prices of Amemet+1's go up because people are FoVing them then leathercrafters make more gil, if Forager's mantles go up then people who ENM make more gil, if Behemoth's +1 go up people who do bonecraft make more gil, etc. If "average player" means someone who only merits and spends IS at the exact same rate as they buy food then it is probably bad for them. For anyone actually doing something in the game at worst it should be a wash if prices on crafted/farmed/XXNMd things go up.

On Ifrit I don't see two of the same people buying a martial gun since September 19th (as far back as ffxiah goes).

Edit: Just to clarify I'm not just trying to brag. I am very pleased with my gear, but my point is that I've bought pretty much everything I want. All thats left are small improvements for FoV. I'm not out farming hours every night so that I can do FoV, I just grab something from the AH and do it when I feel like it. Some people would go for relic, or mythic. I explained earlier that I'm not going for mythic and why. Similarly I don't do enough big stuff that justifies relic.

Edited, Feb 8th 2010 10:47am by Kwontos

To also cap off what the others have said....

FFXI is all about minimal improvements in gear to increase your character to the max. Following that though, FFXI is all about situations which means, we as a player base want to be prepared, hence why we have sets for everything.

Now is the price tag to upgrade a martial gun into a gun that argueably is the best overall gun in the game for Corsair, I would say yes.

For starters it frees up an inventory slot by letting you ditch your coffinmaker. This also make it so you dont have to sacrifice between a gun built for WSing and a gun built for shooting, you get both.

The second point is that in the grand scheme of things its cheap. We as COR's dont have a relic weapon we only have a mythic. Relics generally average 80-140 mil depending. Mythics can be anywhere from 0-110mil or more + the time investment in Nyzul/assaults/einherjar/znms/salvage.

My last point is, this upgrade can be free. The gun drops from an ENM that isnt to unreasonable to setup a group to do.

Really if you just set your sight on it, and do blow gil but think rationally and do this the smart way your really not gonna be out anything but time.

I do wish the eraser fight were more difficult. I think there are still plenty of decent challenges in ffxi. I think of FoV as being something to take items out of the game. Its something SE had to do at some point. Given the choice I would rather have the option of turning in an item to get something better instead of having items wear out. It is still unfortunate that it is so luck based. I don't really think SE will make things that are really really hard. Whenever they do people complain and simply refuse to do it. For what FoV is it works out well. I do FoV on jobs like pld and thf that I tend not to merit on. I regularly die on these in events and its convenient to go out get some beastman seals, cap my buffer and then gamble with a piece of gear.

I do like a lot of the things that SE has added lately. ANNMs are really fun, the pixie weapon fights are fun (I do them several times a month) and I think the SCNM system is well designed.

When its all said and done I'd take FoV over camping some wyrm anytime. Its not the best system, but not every top item should be gotten through instances and mini-expansions. Considering the fact that our best head, body, legs and feet are not about rare drops (at least it seems as though cor af drops a lot in limbus for me), its not a huge deal that our best weapon requires some luck. Its nice to have something to spend gil on to improve my character.

I thought alla fixed the double posting issue, guess I thought wrong @.@;;

Edited, Feb 9th 2010 10:40am by Carrilei

It is pretty hard to solo on thf. You're right their acc is too high. If I solo I go on pld. Typically speaking I duo. Despite the accuracy issues, I would not consider them really difficult. There is no strategy to the fight. Its basically luck as to what the mob will be like. Most of the time I go up there on war/sam, 2 hour + warrior's charge + KJ for half his health, meditate KJ again. I have my wife come whm to throw out a cure V.

It would be nice if they lowered the acc, but added another trick to the mob. I don't know what it would be.

Thinking about it, it would have been nice if somehow it was closer to the MMM system. Something to let you increase the difficulty in exchange for better augments/drops. I had a lot of fun doing MMM NMs, but everyone in my shell has every worthwhile drop that they want so it seems somewhat pointless.

I just don't like the fact that wealthy hardcore players are taking non-crafted items out of the market and driving down supply and consequently raising prices. It was hard to find a martial gun before FoV. Now they are hard to find and 3x as expensive. I have no problem with craftable items leaving the marketplace, but non-craftable stuff is a bit annoying since few people do the BCNM's that drop martial weapons. Although I guess if the martial gun price goes up over a million, more will start doing it.

All this behavor does is discourage the average casual player and support the hardcore player. Of course, SE has been doing that for a while, hence the popularity of WoW and SE's shifting focus in FFXIV. It's one thing to make people want to play a long time, its another to continually discourage those that can't spend 70hr a week on their hobby.

Mirabelle,

Like I said before I checked your sever's AH history. You certainly are correct that the price is going up; however, I can't find a single instance of the same person buying two guns. This is over a period of close to 6 months. If people are buying them to augment they are either buying each on a different mule or they are just doing a total of 2 tries and purchased them long ago.

Ifrit's prices on them is not consistent with other servers, nor does it appear to be a case of people buying up the guns.

Martial gun is ridiculously easy to get as far as endgame gear goes. Honestly it was less work for me to augment all the martial guns than it was to get cobra unit harness.

You can easily get enough gil for it (even on your server) after about one month of saving gil only playing casually. Or you do the ENM.

Gil is easy to make. The fact that you can't figure out how incredibly easy it is to have lots of gil is not SE's fault. I don't know what you do with all your time (Stand around in DA perhaps?), but really to save up 1m gil for a top tier item is nothing.

I work 70+ hours a week. I have a wife to take care of and other things to do besides ffxi. Most of the so called casual players are standing around in white gate 6 hours a night bitching about how long it takes to get stuff done instead of just doing something about it. They play far more than I do. (edited: originally it said less, when obviously the intent was they play more)

Blaming SE and other players because either a) after years of playing you still haven't figured out how to ffxi or b) you would rather stare at your moogle than go do something for gil is just silly. When you learn how to play the game things aren't so bad. Putting in a couple hours with friends a month to have all your equipment needs taken care of is about as casual as I can imagine. In every MMO the very best gear is hard to get. The difference is in ffxi you spend an hour here and an hour there for a month to get the best item and you're done. It will remain the best for the next couple years. The other MMOs you get the best item and you'll be replacing it in 6 months tops.

You will undoubtedly contend that its impossible to make gil (as its always been in ffxi of course), that everything requires many hours of farming stupid things (because god knows the best way to make gil is slime oils) so I have found a wonderful RPG based on the ff universe designed for players like you. Its downloadable at: http://www.ffximc.com/page.php?id=54 and there is no subscription cost. They've fixed all the NM issues, gotten rid of camping and grinding.

Edit: I just want to clarify that I don't think ffxi is perfect. There are lots of improvements to be made, but 1m end game items are not a significant problem.

Edited, Feb 10th 2010 4:28pm by Kwontos

Just to confirm, I got a +str behemoth ring +1 tonight from Eraser in Sky. It is +4 str, -2 dex, -2 agi, +12 ltng resist. I'm really having a hard time deciding if I'm going to try some more. If it just didn't have that -agi it would be an easy decision. Depending upon my subjob its either +1 more base damage or +2 more base damage than my current build and 5 more racc. However, its 4 less ratt no matter what.

So i just hit COR75 (finally!!) and starting thinking about farming the NM's that drop Wilhelm's Earring and Altdorf's Earring. Now the set gives a total of 8AGI plus 1 RACC and 1 RATK.

Recently i came across this thread here where it's stated that adding 1STR = 2.5AGI.

This means that if we take 2 STR earrings for a total of 4STR, we would need to add at least 10AGI to get the same results.

My Current Gear:
Main: Joyeuse
Range/Ammo: Martial/Steel
Head: Anwig Salade (With +4STR, +15WSACC, +10ACC, +5ATK) - Use it for NIN and BLU too
Neck: Light Gorget
Ears: Triumhp / Triumph (or Triumhp/Drone)
Body: Corsair's frac (Denali Jacket)
Hands: Crimson Finger Gauntlets
Rings: Behemoth x2
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Buccaneer's Belt
Legs: Denali Kecks
Feet: Corsair's Bottes +1

So my question here is besides a great light/dark shot earrings, is it worth considering my current setup?

EDIT: Would COR AF+1 be better than my Anwig Salade for Slug/Detonator?

(I currently doing limbus and all COR AF+1 items do to me so it's just a matter of time before i get AF Hat+1 and AF Body +1).


Edited, Feb 15th 2010 5:42am by wheeeels

I asume this a WS set of some sorts?? For slug and det, ditch the drone earring and keep the anwig over af+1. Only other glaring things id change would be the body choices, denali and the frac are the suck, but if its all you got, its all you got. If you havent done ACP id look into that.

The other thing would be to look at a pair of dusk pants for slug and Relic pants for det.

Really stacking agility is almost pointless. Should be STR all the way unless there is no str for that slot, then stack ratt, then agil. Agil should be last.

I'm not talking about changes in Martial Gun's price ever since it has existed. I'm talking about fluctuations roughly in the time period since sky FoV NMs have been around. At any rate, I don't think we're in disagreement here that there are more plausible alternative explanations for price increases on Martial than a small number of people trying to augment it more than once.