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#1 Jan 03 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes another thread but i was wondering. I looking at 2 deferent computers. They both the same price. one intel the other is amd.


Intel Core-i7-860 (L) (2.8GHz / Socket LGA1156) (95W); 1 MB L2 + 8 MB shared L3 cache with Turbo Boost up to 3.46GHz
8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
1 TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
2GB ATI Radeon HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]
LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit

AMD Phenom(TM) II X6 1090T six-core processor [3.2GHz, 3MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MHz]
8 GB (4 x 2 GB) DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [4 DIMMs]
1 TB 7200 rpm SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec)
1GB ATI Radeon HD 5570 [DVI,HDMI, DP, VGA adapter]
LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium Edition (64-bit)

Another derfrence is Intel has a 300 pw and amd has a 460.

I wondering what you all smart people think. I am a gamer WoW and others games. I know both more then anouph for WoW since i play on max setting on the computer i have now.

My Budget is about 800 doller and I do not want to build one. but if you know any other good deals I like to know. Thoose two computers will cost me 750 dollars.

Oh they both HP if it matters.

Edited, Jan 3rd 2011 9:55am by Pelacha
#2 Jan 03 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
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i can tell you this, if you get the amd get ready to deal with overheating issues. i have owned several and have all ran hot so make sure you have plenty of fans. my current is phenom 95 quad core 2.2 and when i am gaming my cpu runs about 150 f .
#3 Jan 03 2011 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd go AMD. It's a little bit faster than that i7, and you get a bigger PSU if you ever want to add anything (more hard drives, different video card, whatever)
#4 Jan 04 2011 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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I would find out the actual specs on the motherboards. That will make a huge difference in terms of future upgrades. For example, if you can't put more than 8gb of ram in those boards, you probably should look elsewhere. I'd recommend to make sure you get USB3.0 as well.

Magicmicro.com is a decent site that I've used in the past, and they have pretty good customizations you can do before ordering.

Lastly, I personally recommend staying away from any of the name brand PC's. Often they have proprietary parts that can't easily be replaced by cheaper generic versions. Power Supplies being the biggest issues in my experiences.

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#5 Jan 06 2011 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I decided to get this computer. I just ordered it even thou it only a I5 . It more powerful then the other two.




CPU : Intel Core i5-650 3.2Ghz 4MB Cache Dual-Core
Heatsink/Fan : Stock Intel LGA1156 Heatsink and Fan
Motherboards : ECS H55H-CM (Intel H55 Video HDMI, PCI-E, 4xSATA2, 4xDDR3)
Memory : 4GB (2GBx2) PC3 10666 DDR3 1333Mhz Memory Lifetime Warranty
Hard Drive : 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA300 (Major Brand)
CD / DVD / CDRW 1 : 22X LG SATA Lightscribe Dual Layer DVD+/-RW DVD-RAM w/Nero
Video Card : 1GB ATI Radeon HD5670 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI (Major Brand)
Video Card 2 : 1GB ATI Radeon HD5670 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI (Major Brand)
Operating System : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Case : NXZT Black M59 (4 5.25, 7 3.5) 2 Fans, Audio/USB/eSata
Power Supply : 550watt Stock Supply
Networking : Onboard LAN included
Wireless Networking : Wireless B/G/N PCI Adapter
Sound Card : Onboard Sound included
Speakers : Logitech S-120 2.0 Channel Speakers
Case Fans : 2x 120mm Case Fan
Neon Lights : 12in Blue Neon Light
Wiring : Wires and Cables neatly tied up away from fans


Edited, Jan 6th 2011 6:49pm by Pelacha
#6 Jan 07 2011 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Uh.. that i5 is about half the performance as the i7 you had listed above.
#7 Jan 08 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Pelacha wrote:
Well I decided to get this computer. I just ordered it even thou it only a I5 . It more powerful then the other two.




CPU : Intel Core i5-650 3.2Ghz 4MB Cache Dual-Core
Heatsink/Fan : Stock Intel LGA1156 Heatsink and Fan
Motherboards : ECS H55H-CM (Intel H55 Video HDMI, PCI-E, 4xSATA2, 4xDDR3)
Memory : 4GB (2GBx2) PC3 10666 DDR3 1333Mhz Memory Lifetime Warranty
Hard Drive : 500GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA300 (Major Brand)
CD / DVD / CDRW 1 : 22X LG SATA Lightscribe Dual Layer DVD+/-RW DVD-RAM w/Nero
Video Card : 1GB ATI Radeon HD5670 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI (Major Brand)
Video Card 2 : 1GB ATI Radeon HD5670 GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI (Major Brand)
Operating System : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Case : NXZT Black M59 (4 5.25, 7 3.5) 2 Fans, Audio/USB/eSata
Power Supply : 550watt Stock Supply
Networking : Onboard LAN included
Wireless Networking : Wireless B/G/N PCI Adapter
Sound Card : Onboard Sound included
Speakers : Logitech S-120 2.0 Channel Speakers
Case Fans : 2x 120mm Case Fan
Neon Lights : 12in Blue Neon Light
Wiring : Wires and Cables neatly tied up away from fans


Edited, Jan 6th 2011 6:49pm by Pelacha

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Intel Core-i7-860 (L) (2.8GHz / Socket LGA1156) (95W); 1 MB L2 + 8 MB shared L3 cache with Turbo Boost up to 3.46GHz
8GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]


Ummm...less processor AND RAM, so not even close to "more powerful"

Edited, Jan 9th 2011 12:03am by Kastigir
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#8 Jan 09 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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To be fair, it is running Crossfire where the others weren't, so for certain GPU-heavy games it could be more powerful. In general though, no, not really.
#9 Jan 10 2011 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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Why would you run 5670 in crossfire? Why not just buy a single more powerful card especially at the 5600 mark?

Am I the only one that cringes when the part manufacture is listed as major brand?

I should open a company named Major Brand.
#10 Jan 11 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Instead of making my own thread, I'll ask in here!

Will any of these computers be able to run FFXIV fine?
My current PC is pretty craptastic, but manages to play FFXI pretty damn good. (It's an E Machine).

So now, I'm looking into gaming rigs and what not.

So I'm currently browsing through ibuypower.com and I would say my price range would be from $500-$1000, though I would prefer something around $700.

http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/PricePage.aspx

http://www.ibuypower.com/IbpPages/PricePage.aspx

Home page here
http://www.ibuypower.com/

I know most people suggest building your own PC for gaming in such, and maybe I should, but I just want other people's inputs on all ready built gaming rigs.

So will any of these rigs be able to run FFXIV fine? Or should I just give up and wait for the PS3 release?
#11 Jan 13 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Those two links you provided do not go to a computer. I don't think their site allows you to share links to customized computers. I'd say to build your own computer, it would be cheaper than using ibuypower. But if you haven't built one before, it sure can be a daunting task. You don't need too much for good FFXIV performance, I'd say minimum you'd want would be something like this:

Quad Core CPU (i7 or Athlon 2)
4GB RAM
7200RPM Hard Drive
Nvidia GTX460
700W Power Supply
#12 Jan 14 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Okies, how about this computer then with these specs?

CoolerMaster HAF 922 Gaming Case
AMD Athlon™ II X2 260 Dual-Core CPU
Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD]
4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module
ATI Radeon HD 5750 - 1GB
ASUS M4A77T/USB3 -- AMD 770 Chipset USB 3.0
Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface
700 Watt -- Standard
1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s
24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive


Don't know if I left anything out.

I do need a new computer regardless, it's just I get nervous at the thought of building my own pc :x


Or maybe I should be better off holding out till FFXIV comes out for the PS3 in great condition and just stick with my somewhat decent PC for FFXI.
#13 Jan 14 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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if you want to use ibuypower and not deal with building it yourself, try this link http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Fire_580/w/54138 hopefully the link works.
#14 Jan 21 2011 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
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EriaESP wrote:
Okies, how about this computer then with these specs?

CoolerMaster HAF 922 Gaming Case
AMD Athlon™ II X2 260 Dual-Core CPU
Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD]
4 GB [2 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module
ATI Radeon HD 5750 - 1GB
ASUS M4A77T/USB3 -- AMD 770 Chipset USB 3.0
Motherboard default USB / SATA Interface
700 Watt -- Standard
1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s
24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive


Don't know if I left anything out.

I do need a new computer regardless, it's just I get nervous at the thought of building my own pc :x


Or maybe I should be better off holding out till FFXIV comes out for the PS3 in great condition and just stick with my somewhat decent PC for FFXI.


I was 'close' to having enough knowledge to build my own PC, but bought one from Ibuypower just for that piece of mind of knowing there's someone I can go to if something went wrong. I bought my Ibuypower in 2004 and it's still running sans a dead case fan. This pc was on at least 10 hours a day for a majority of it's life with the last year it has been on almost 24/5~ish.

The PC specs you posted above are just barely under powered for FFXIV. Change the Athlon to an Athlon II X4 version, or make the jump to the phenom II x4. The ATI Radeon HD 5750, change it to the 5770 at least. This should allow you to play FFXIV at 720p resolution without major hiccups. You can't get much more noticable performance without adding another 100$+ onto the price tag. These two jumps however shouldn't be more than 40~50$.

In the future if you have 100$ spare to throw at the pc, consider an SSD. You know how npcs and such are slow to load into view in XI? with an SSD things load much faster. in XIV it kept me from stuttering/staggering as I ran past people in towns as they loaded into view. I played for october/november without a SSD, then upgraded and loved it. It has other benefits too. From power off to windows desktop, 17 seconds. Sometimes it boots faster than the time it takes me to sit down and get settled in. <3
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#15 Jan 22 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Why not go six core? They don't cost much more than a quad.
#16 Jan 29 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going with an 15 2500k for my CPU its only 229.00 and can OC at 4.1. stock it runs at 3.3 ghz and its the new Sandy Bridge Model. Which is supposedly incredible. I was going to get the i7 950 but i have been deferred from the i7 for FFXIV because the i5 2500k will be just as good for the gaming portion of a computer. only problem is its LGA 1155 (56?) and the i7s are 1366 which will be better for future upgrades. but for FFXIVs lifespan in my life i think the 1336 can wait til 2012 for me at least.
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#17 Jan 29 2011 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW with your PS3 comment. If you plan on waiting dont plan on playing anytime soon... PS3 release has been postponed without a release date as of right now. =/ i was going to do the same thing but im in the process of building my own PC right now.
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