Bad whms in parties. Follow

I see these all the time (Bad WHM in EXP) and I always wonder to myself... HOW?

The WHM today is NOTHING like the WHM of 2004. Not only does the WHM of today have tools and gear that would make the 2004 WHM cry himself to sleep, but the melee/tanks also have vastly improved gear/abilities, reducing damage taken, increasing damage dealt (and thus lowering time to kill a mob), and reducing the risk of pulling hate. Adding to all this is the overabundant wealth of information/faqs/guides that exist for each job that wasn't available back then.

And yet.. and yet.. for a job like WHM that is fortunate enough to end up with an EXP invite now that they're COMPLETELY unnecessary for XP, it seems like the playskill of the average XP WHM has drastically declined. (Although this is said about many jobs)

It's like.. how do you fail at WHMing in xp?! You don't even need -enmity gear for exp. You don't even need food (if it's a tpburn setup)! Or rather I should say, food should have no effect (in a tpburn). A few extra max MP or HMP makes zero difference in a 2~4 hour exp grind that you aren't supposed to be resting at all during anyway.

All you need to do is: Haste, Regen, remove status effects, apply bars (if applicable) and do some light curing. Well, do the above while moderating your MP consumption and helping sleep adds. You may also be forced to play the debuffer if you are the only debuffer-capable mage in the group. That's ok too now that we have /sch.

WHM in exp is usually not reactive or volatile in any way. A WHM in a smooth running party will find they are cycling through a pattern of spells in the same order, with an intermittent cure here and there.

WHM in merit is different. If anyone says WHM in a meripo is boring or repetitive, I will Hexa you cuz urdoinitrong! WHM is teh UBER in merit. Including the above requirements, we can also: Assist Pulling! Kite/Tank! Deal occasional damage through Afflatus Holy! Aspir it up like a BLM! Drain lost HP back with an MP efficiency that makes a cure spell seem like a waste!

Along the Kite/Tank line.. sometimes it's just more MP efficient to become a mob's target for someone else than it is to let it wail on them and spam cures (assuming it's a situation where the mob can't be slept). But since most mobs can be slept and WHM can reliably land sleep on things that are immune/resistant to dark based sleep, like Skeletons and Imps, this situation shouldn't come up too often.

But even without the advanced tactics, it's really really hard to suck at WHM sticking to the meat and potatoes staples of the job. I just dont get it. I can meripo with a BRD, with no RDM (I AM the RDM RAWR!) and maintain an infinite MP pool (assuming my DD aren't sponging it up).

*Edit* Got so caught up in the OP that I forgot to respond to anything in the thread lol ^_^

Echo drops: This isn't even an option. HAVE THEM! Never underestimate the ungodly stupidity of others which result in your silence!

On the topic of mobs that use AGAS: Repose for the ghetto stun. Voila. Problem solved.

Dia 2: If you don't have a RDM with Dia 3, use Dia 2. On every mob your party is engaged on. All the time. If someone insists Bio is better DoT, calmly explain to that person they are retarded and should die in a vat of burning Jello. (This is for EXP ppl, EXP! Don't nostrilflare)

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 2:03am by Chocotaku

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 2:04am by Chocotaku

urdoinitrong

Also, bird camp wasn't mentioned specifically. Aspirable mobs at every merit camp I believe.

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 5:16am by Chocotaku

By whom? People that can't maintain chains on mobs that yield higher base xp? >_<

Cast Dia on them first, then Aspir?

And always have Blink up while Aspiring?

And be at the max casting range when you're ready to Aspir?

It happens sometimes. Birds aspir you back, sometimes for more than you got from them. Aspiring aggressively is still a net gain over time, but requires practice. Obviously aspiring a fresh bird is optimal.

The best situation is to use it on a mob near camp that the bard has just lullaby'd/elegy'd. That allows you to run out of range before the mimic.

Or, if you're not using your Strategems for much, you can macro in Alacrity.

DD that can't manage hate are the worst for a whm to. When they get hit they get hit hard and require big cures in which case the Whm mage ends up pulling hate. Seems some DD take pride in how big their number are and it almost an ego thing. Look at how much damage I did. I was recently in a party where there were two DD both hitting the mob before the tank even had hit provoke. DD need to learn to manage the hate they get. Funny thing is they also complain about not being hasted. LOL. Yea I am going to put haste on someone already pulling more hate than the tank. Allot of parties go down because of this. Let the tank build up some hate first. It aint as big of a problem in experience parties as in other things but it will require more down time.




That is so untrue that I do not think I even need to give a reason.





I agree 100 percent…






Great post...





I do not think it is that high.. I see allot of deaths lately do to DD that do not know how to not pull hate. Are they pulling hate because of a bad tank? Maybe but you still can manage it and adjust. Again I do not see this as much in exp parties but it does happen there too it just does not ussually cause the hole party to do down...


Everyone has a role in the party and has to know how to play their role and a party can go down by anyone. Their is more pressue on a tank and a whm and parties do fail because of them and probably more often.





Edited, Oct 21st 2009 1:53pm by Nashred