Goliard Saio for TP, Redingote for WS?Follow

Given this http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=1;mid=1237819456139443686;num=24;page=1, it seems that melee WHM might get the most use out of the ACP body.

But then it occurred to me that Goliard Saio is 4% haste, which could be more useful. A WHM in full Blessed (minus Briault) + Walahra Turban + Swift Belt has 19% haste. The cap is 25%, so unless you’re sporting some really elite haste gear, Goliard Saio still won’t take you to the cap. And if you take out Swift Belt (which many don't have), Saio takes you to 19%.

Does this mean Saio > ACP body for TPing (though ACP is better for WS macro), or are there simply diminishing returns as you get closer to the haste cap (as I’ve heard here and there)?

Thanks!

Edited, Jun 1st 2009 12:59pm by soopafeen

First I'm curious why you are even considering Redingote when you have paladin listed in your signature...

But if you were going to make a DD redingote, chances are you'ld be better TPing in it over siao on anything EM+ since you'll easily have accuracy issues. Haste only matters if you can hit the mob, and whm has moderately limited accuracy gear.

What are you trying to fight? Are you trying to kill things while farming? Are you trying to melee in merits or limbus? Don't overestimate your accuracy, even with sushi you'll be at a substantial disadvantage. The whm friend I have who does opt to melee typically uses reverend mail and optical hat as opposed to turban/siao.

If you're hitting 85%+ or so, siao, otherwise redingote.

I'm thinking if I ever get round to getting ACP i'll probably go with a FC body since unless I win the moogle bonanza I doubt I'll be getting a marduk's anytime soon :P

Ya. The reason I mentioned this though is because WHM can pack a sh*t ton of Haste (not to mention their own casted Haste), and at a much lower price and much greater availability than it is for typical melee >_>

Haste is very powerful and whm can pretty easily get ~34% solo, but is it really worth it to aim for haste when your hit rate is below 70%? Given a full haste setup that takes up 6 slots for 3 accuracy, which puts whm somewhere around 280. Weapon, neck, rings, and ammo seem like the only places where you could get much accuracy putting you max around 310, which against any merit or similar mob would put you below 50% without sushi.

Granted I have no clue what you would be fighting, so accuracy might not be a concern in the least. I would still be very, very hesitant on anything EM+ since whiffing multiple times back to back seems probable. Of course if I can whiff multiple times and still land more total hits than hitting slightly more often, but slower, haste might be the best option even at very, very low hit rates.

While haste gets more umpf the more you have, it's still multiplied by accuracy, so for an extreme example, attacking 10 times faster with uber amounts of haste at 1% hit rate would give you the same return as wearing 18acc gear. Obviously the latter being an extreme case, but I would imagine there would be a similar trend where low accuracy devalues haste, albeit slightly, so at least for body or head you'ld be better off with 10 accuracy. Last I heard that thieves swap to SH over rap harness when low accuracy, so I would hazard there might be a tipping point where ACP or reverend mail would do the same thing.

I'd like to add that it IS possible to achieve the haste cap as whm.. You said that 19% was as much as you could get. Just wanted to make sure you considered HQ's :).
Turban: 5%
Goliard Saio: 4%
Blessed Mitts +1: 6%
Blessed trousers +1: 4%
Blessed pumps+1: 3%
Swift belt: 4%
Total possible haste for whm: 26%. This is, obviously, above the 25% cap..

Just sayin'.

Edit: Gramatical errors.





Edited, Jun 19th 2009 11:33pm by XxSaxonxX

I really think the "highly-affected-by-ATT" thing is just WHMs having low attack... and not understanding... how important attack is... (-_-;)

It's not exactly extensive testing, but I can verify with 100% certainty that attack has a huge effect on Mystic Boon. I was rather surprised at the extent of it actually. I was on WHM/NIN in a Greater Colibri merit party. Party had two BRD and one COR (don't ask, I didn't build it), so I was getting Hunter's Roll, double march, and double min. Our minuet BRD was kind of a slacker and so sometimes we wouldn't have that song, and what I noticed is that my Boons without double minuet were ~60-80 damage on average. My Boons with double minuet were 150-250 average. Approximately tripled by double minuet. I even had a handful that were over 400 although I'm pretty sure they were double attacks; However, without any minuets, the highest I hit was around 120. Granted, double minuet gives a much higher attack boost than anything WHM can really do gear-wise, but it shows the extent to which attack affects Boon.