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#1 Mar 07 2006 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is hands down, the greatest mage post ever. Fear not children, I, the great Baron Von Filterspawn will guide you to the light, (Or at least to the bigass nukes) at times you will be too stunned to read more, but you must, for the greater good of mankind, and baby mages everywhere you MUST carry on.

Alright, now that I am done tooting my own horn and blowing smoke up your collective asses, not to mention the obnoxious sarcasm, let's get down to business shall we?

For awhile on this forum, we have had all types of things written up in regards to the mage class as a whole. Talent specs, spells, talent explanations, what to spec first, and the ever dreaded, "what class is best?" posts.

So, with no further ado, I give you:

The Greatest Mage Post Ever!
Subtle aren't I?

Here's how it works. Blow by blow, play by play and spec by spec I will go over the following.

1. Talent Review.
2. Talent Specs.
3. What to spec first as you level.
4. What race truly is the best for mage.

Instead of writing up multiple posts, covering all these things, I will put all of it together into one resource where you can consult a quick reference on all things mage. I hope this will help answer some of the questions we have pop up on these boards, and maybe even slow down some of the hate mail you bastards keep sending me.

One thing I'd like to point out before we start. If I am a "lazy, good for nothing, pain in the *** who needs to hurry the @#%^ up" then what does that make you, the one who didn't bother writing a post in the first place? Yeah that's right, a lazy good for nothing pain in the mother@#%^ing ***. So ****, off Smiley: tongue

All talents when discussed will be addressed as being at the max level, anything less than max will be covered under Part III, What to Spec as You Level.

One more thing, if typed, edited swearing bothers you on the internet, then just gtfo now. Half of the fun of my guides is me ranting about stupid sh*t, so if you have no sense of humor, just go away. Thanks Smiley: smile

Here we go, about time he shut the hell up and got on with it eh?

Part I. Talent Explanations and Review.

Arcane Talents

Arcane Subtlety - Reduces your target's resistence to all your spells by by 10 and reduces the threat of your Arcane spells by 40%.

Why doesn't this suck? The -resists. That's it, the 40% threat reduction is good for killing other mages when you are all AoEing together, otherwise, it doesn't matter. Want proof? The -threat talents for the fire tree give you a whopping 10%. You think they would put something like -40% if it was as good as it sounds? Hell no. We don't use much arcane for damage dealing, even with the new arcane spell.

Arcane Focus - Reduces the chance an opponent can resist your arcane spells by 10%.

Same thing, this is good for the resist reduction, primarily applies to polymorph and counterspell. Would be even better if it was all spell schools, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

Improved Arcane Missles - Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption cause by damage while channeling arcane missles.

First of all, a 100% "chance"? Dude, 100% means it's a sure thing, you fail english ******** Alright, this is good when leveling, and used to be good for a number of boss fights, at level 70, I can't recall the last time I used arcane missles, much less thought "Man I really wish these had a 100% "chance" to avoid interruption". So, it's situational, at 70, leave it alone.

Wand Specialization - Increases your damage with wands by 25%.

It sucked at release, it sucked after the mage review, and it still sucks now. Just like some of you some sick ****'s doing strange things to the sheep and/or pigs you turn people into, it's only fun if no one catches you. Don't do it, seriously, just... don't.

Magic Absorbtion - Increases all resistences by 10 and causes all spells you resist to restore 5% of your total mana.

More resists, with a mana return? Sign me up on this sh*t for raiding. Now a 5% return sounds small, but most of us have over 9k mana when raid buffed, and 5% of that is 450. If you are resisting a lot, you can get a crapload of mana back really quick. (Read: Doing content blocking resist gear fights, Huhuran anyone?)

Arcane Concentration - Gives you a 10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next spell by 100%. (By the way, it lasts 15 seconds, not forever like the talent would have you believe).

They should make this free like AE, it is nice to have even this way though. I get it for every PvE spec, PvP, it's not as good, but can still be handy. Especially if you use it with certain spells (Read: Blizzard, fuggin mana hog of a spell).

Magic Attunement - Increases the effect of your Amplify Magic and Dampen Magic spells by 50%

This one is great for PvP. The combined amplify and dampen magic onto one talent. With 2 points into this, you can ruin a priests shadow word pain and **** him off really good.

Arcane Impact - Increases the critical strike chance of your Arcane Explosion and Arcane Blast spells by 6%.

Increasing your crit chance with Arcane Explosion (Why? Means the other mages will oulive me when I crit like mad in a group) and Arcane Blast (I hardly ever use this, a fun toy, not a serious spell) by 6% is meh at best, I'd skip it.

Arcane Fortitude - Increases your armor by an amount equal to 50% of your Intellect.

Like it's retarded cousin wand spec, useless. Just say no to drugs and fortitude, they both might make you feel better for a short time, but when the reality of it hits you (by reality I mean a rogue or a warrior with a bigass sword) then you realize you are wasting away your life. Don't do it.

Improved Mana Shield - Decreases the mana lost per point of damage taken when Mana Shield is activeby 20%

Less mana used when you turn your shield on. This is great if you are the type of player to use your shield a ton, just make sure you have a bigass mana pool before you do.

Improved Counterspell - Gives your Counterspell a 100% chance to silence the target for 4 seconds.
A MUST have for any PvP mage out there. Why does it say 100% chance (again Smiley: banghead ) if it can be resisted? Should say "A really good chance", or something like that. Seriously, how can you write a language like Draconic, but fail English?

Arcane Meditation - Allows 15% of your mana regeneration to continue while casting.

More mana regen. Great talent overall. Keep in mind, it isn't 15% regen, it is 15% of the regen that you ALREADY have. Consider that when you spec.

Improved Blink - Reduces the mana cost of your Blink spell by 50%.

Great if you are spamming Blink. Oh wait... it has a 15 second cooldown so you can't spam it. Great thought put into this one.

Presence of Mind - When activated, your next mage spell with a casting time of less than 10 seconds becomes an instant cast spell. (3 min cooldown).

Still godly as far as talents go. Although I would like to point out they say "your next mage spell" as opposed to what? My next Priest spell? My next Warrior spell? Pretty sure I am a mage here, putting points in the mage talent trees, so it's probably safe to assume I'll be using A @#%^ING MAGE SPELL! Idiots.

Arcane Mind - Increases your total Intellect by 15%.

This comes into play in a huge way if you spec as far as Mind Mastery. I use this in every 40 Arcane spec I do, it rocks.

Prismatic Cloak - Reduces all damage taken by 4%.

Reduction of 4% may sound small, but don't think about it on large numbers, like a 1k crit yeilding a 40 dmg reduction, think about it eating up damage from DoT's in PvP. Pretty solid talent.

Arcane Instability - Increases your spell damage and critical strike chance by 3%.

Used to be the sole reason mages went 28 Arcane, a 3% damage and crit increase is just nuts, I HIGHLY recommend it.

Arcane Potency - Increases the critical strike chance of any spell cast while Clearcasting by 30%.

Sounds great in theory, more crit right? Except Clearcasting happens 10% of the time, and a 30% increase on a 10% proc will get you a whopping 3% overall. Really isn't all that great. If it was 3% all the time, it would be worth it.

Empowered Arcane Missles - Your Arcane Missles spell gains an additional 45% of your bonus spell damage effects, but mana cost is increased by 6%.

If you sat around and spammed Arcane Missles as a main spell all day, this might be good. Oh wait, no it wouldn't, because it would suck you dry of mana even faster. Want proof it sucks? Blizzard hands it right to you, this one is 45%, while the fire and frost versions are 15% and 10% respectively. Yeah, they were that sure no one would use it. However, in PvP this is a rather handy spell to have. If you do not get silenced or feared, this can ruin a casters day. (The exception to this would be two piece tier 5 for the bonus, it's great then, but only then.)

Arcane Power - When activated, your spells deal 30% more damage while costing 30% more mana to cast. This effect lasts 15 seconds (3 min cooldown).

Still a good talent. A must have if you go this deep in the Arcane tree. If people cry to you about 3 minute mages, cry to them about Warlocks with 12,000 life unbuffed. Or getting feared to death.

Spell Power - Increased critical strike damage bonus of all spells by 50%.

This is godly. Seriously, this is the best thing that has happened to us in a LONG time as far as talents go. Speccing 40 Arcane and stacking this with Arcane Mind and Mind Mastery will make you hit like a truck.

Mind Mastery - Increases spell damage by up to 25% of your total Intellect.

As I said above, stacking this with the other two talents is great. I go this far into Arcane for this talent alone.

Slow - Reduces target's movement speed by 50%, increases the time between ranged attacks by 50% and increases casting time by 50%. Lasts 15 seconds, Slow can only affect one target at a time.

This spell is just nuts in PvP, the question you have to ask, is it worth giving up a 21 point talent for? I personally don't use it much, as I can get better stuff elsewhere, but if it was any lower in the tree than 41 points, I would have it in a heartbeat. Up to you Smiley: smile

So that's Arcane, up next, Fire!



Fire Talents

Improved Fireball - Reduces the casting time of your Fireball spell by 0.5 seconds.

Unless you spec something centered around all instant cast spells for PvP, this is a must in the fire tree. Faster casting = more damage, get it.


Impact - Gives your fire spells a 10% chance to stun the target for 2 seconds.

A great PvP talent, and useful in solo PvE as well. It can also proc off of Molten Armor, so that rogue beating on you just got a nasty suprise.

Ignite - Your critical strikes from Fire damage spells cause the target to burn for an additional of your spells damage over 4 seconds.

This is the talent that makes fire do so much more damage than frost. If you are fire and don't have this... quit playing this game. The way the math works, is say you crit a target for 1,000 damage, then it will tic (A tic is every 2 seconds) twice for 20% of the damage, in this case 200, over 4 seconds. So 2 tics at 200 damage each = 400 damage or 40% of the original crit.

Flame Throwing - Increases the range of your Fire spells by 6 yards.

This lets you shoot a fireball from really, really far (try it without this talent, then with it, the difference is huge) great for fighting mobs who have some sort of AoE, and standing in the back sniping people from afar in a battleground.

Improved Fire Blast - Reduces the cooldown of your Fire Blast spell by 1.5 seconds.

Average in PvE, great in PvP where a mage uses so many instant cast spells during his fights. If you PvP as fire, get it.

Incineration - Increases the critical strike chance of your Scorch and Fire Blast spells by 4%.

Suited for Scorch mages, and anyone who PvP's heavily. 4% more crit on an instant and a 1.5 second cast spell is awesome. Also helps you get those ignites going on a target.

Improved Flamestrike - Increases the critical strike chance of your Flamestrike spell by 15%.

Also frequently called Improved Gimpstrike by a number of mages in my guild. If you are doing a ton of group fighting, this can be good, (Alterac Valley anyone?) but on the whole, you are better off with points elsewhere.

Pyroblast - Hurls an immense fiery boulder that causes 877 to 1087 Fire damage and an additional 324 Fire damage over 12 seconds.

If you spec fire, get this. The 6 second cast may seem long, especially in PvP, but this used in conjuction with Presence of Mind is very, very dangerous. If you use Arcane Power, cast this, pop Presence of Mind and toss another Pyro, someone's day is completely ruined. That is where the term "3 minute mage" comes from. Having about 700 +damage will put these close to 5,000 damage when Arcane Power is up and you crit. Two of those will kill anyone, when you add the ignites in.

Burning Soul - Gives your Fire spells a 70% chance to not lose casting time when you take damage and reduces the threat caused by your Fire spells by 10%.

The chance to not lose cast time in PvP is huge. The 10% reduced threat in PvE is huge. By those factors combined, you have one helluva talent. Don't leave home without it.

Improved Scorch - Your Scorch spells have a 100% chance to cause your target to be vulnerable to Fire damage. This vulnerability increases the Fire damage dealt to your target by 3% and lasts 30 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.

If you don't have this in a raid, make sure another mage does. An additional 15% Fire damage is great to have. Not as useful in PvP where fights are fast and furious, but can still better than nothing at all.

Improved Fire Ward - Causes your Fire Ward to have a 20% chance to reflect fire spells while active.

Sounds great in theory. The only classes this is all that good on, are other mages (Nothing funnier than reflecting a Pyroblast and watching him kill himself) or Warlocks, (Who are going to fear you to death anyway). It is situational at best, I skip it. Try it if you want.

Master of Elements - Your Fire and Frost spell criticals will refund 30% of the mana cost.

Part of the ongoing conspiracy to make sure the Arcane Tree damage spells will suck you dry of mana, while the other tree's keep going, this is a good talent for a heavy raid spec. PvP, not as much, again because the fights are so much faster and you don't get the time for this to add up enough to truly shine.

Playing with Fire - Increases all spell damage caused by 3% and all spell damage taken by 3%.

More damage is always a good thing in my eyes. You just have to decide if the additional damage taken is worth the output. I would lean towards this being better in PvE since a mage never takes near as much damage as they do in PvP.

Critical Mass - Increases the critical strike chance of your Fire spells by 6%.

This is so good it's not funny. End of story.

Blast Wave - A wave of flame radiates outward from the caster, damaging all enemies caught within the blast for 640 to 754 Fire damage and dazing them for 6 seconds. (30 second cooldown).

Ahh yes, the Blast Wave. this, Impact and Dragon's breathe give a full Fire mage a variaty of stuns to play with. Being on a 30 second cooldown makes this a very nice spell to have for PvP. Using this, then an Arcane Powered Flamestrike and another Presence of Mind Flamestrike is devastating in group PvP. One more reason why we get focus fired so hard in a battleground.

Blazing Speed - Gives you a 10% chance when hit by a melee or ranged attack to increase your movement speed by 50% and remove all movement impairing effects. This effect lasts 8 seconds.

So a hunter jumps you and this procs, guess what? His range advantage just vanished. That rogue that ambushed you? Yeah, hope his sprint is up because if it isn't, you can run circles around him. Beyond good in PvP, PvE it's kinda meh. Wish it worked on casters as well though.

Fire Power - Increases the damage done by your Fire spells by 10%.

More damage again, this is getting kinda nuts eh? Going this far into fire will make this a must have.

Pyromaniac - Increases chance to critically hit and reduces the mana cost of all Fire spells by an additional 3%.

Jesus, crit must be getting pretty high with all these talents in the Fire tree. Another great talent.

Combustion - When activated, this spell causes each Fire damage spell you cast to increases your critical strike chance with Fire spells by 10%. This effect lasts until you have caused 3 critical strikes with Fire spells. (3 minute cooldown).

For PvE, this talent is great, more crits. Granted it has a 3 minute cooldown, but it is much better than the old version. Also decent in PvP to help burn down those pesky enemy players. Not as good as PvE, once again due to limited casting times, well, not as good in 1v1, but quite nice in group fighting.

Molten Fury - Increases damage of all spells against targets with less than 20% health by 20%.

The mage version of a warriors execute. Good raiding talent, not so much in other areas.

Empowered Fireball - Your Fireball spell gains an additional 15% of your bonus spell damage effects.

This is nice to have, in that it brings Fireball back on par to what it was prior to the nerf it and Frostbolt got. More damage is something I will never cry about as a mage.

Dragon's Breathe - Target's in a cone in front of the caster take 680 to 790 Fire damage and are disoriented for 3 seconds. (20 second cooldown).

One last PvP toy in the Fire tree, another way to stop your enemy in order to get another cast off is nice for a fire mage to add to his bag of tricks. With the tree giving you a total of three stuns, two of which are on command, it helps with the Fire mages survivability issues in PvP.



Frost

Frost Warding - Increases the armor and resistances given by your Frost Armor and Ice Armor spells by 30%. In addition, gives your Frost Ward a 20% chance to reflect Frost spells and effects while active.

While this talent has some rather amusing applications (Ever Frostshocked a Shaman?) it is best skipped. The only classes you really can use this against in PvP are other mages and the shammies. In PvE, most mobs that you could reflect their frost spells onto, are immune to *gasp* frost. Just ignore it.

Improved Frostbolt - Reduces the casting time of your Frostbolt spell by 0.5 seconds.

Same deal as Improved Fireball, lessens the damage you do with the spell, but makes it cast faster. If you spec Frost, you have this. A big nuke that is only 1 second longer to cast than Scorch is pretty badass, especially given it's slowing capabilities.

Elemental Precision - Reduces the mana cost and chance targerts resist your Frost and Fire spells by 3%.

Even with all the crap being spouted about changes to this talent, it is still awesome, almost (not completely) but almost irreplacable in a PvE spec. In PvP it helps as well, just not as much since you won't be fighting many players that are 3+ levels higher than you once you reach level cap. (If you do, let me know, I wanna know how they pulled it off).

Ice Shards - Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%.

Now, let's clear some sh*t up, since some people want to argue with me about the semantics on this talent. I am right, you are wrong if you disagree with me, so stfu and sit your dumbass down. (If this doesn't apply to you, and you are a smart little cookie, then disregard the last sentence). All this talent does, in layman's terms, is cause your critical strikes with frost spells to do double the damage of the regular strike. That's it, there is no 250% x ninja kitten/samurai squared to the @#%^ing Nth power of bewbs. Don't make this overcomplicated, just double your damage, remember that and you will be ok. In case some still aren't getting it, let's go to the math chart below:

Regular Frostbolt hit = 1,000
Critical Frostbolt strike without Ice Shards = 1,500
Critical Frostbolt strike with Ice Shards = 2,000

Got it? Good, if you don't, please review the red text again.

Frostbite - Gives your Chill effects a 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 seconds.

Bad for AoE kiting, good for single targets. Especially in PvP, wanna **** a warrior off? Kite him to death with rank 1 Frostbolt, he will be having a coronary when this goes off. Also great for soloing elites. I've soloed a 70 elite before with rank 1 Frostbolt just to see if I could, granted, it took me about 45 minutes, but I got it done.

Improved Frost Nova - Reduces the cooldown of your Frost Nova spell by 4 seconds.

A must if you are going after Shatter, also nice when fighting groups, be it players or mobs, also makes running away easier. Big fan of this myself.

Permafrost - Increases the duration of your Chill effects by 3 seconds and reduces the target's speed by an additional 10%.

Another great talent for kiting. Simple as that, nothing else to add.

Piercing Ice - Increases the damage done by your Frost spells by 6%.

Pretty much a no brainer here, more damage = good mmkay?

Cold Snap - When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your Frost Spells. (10 minute cooldown)

If you skip this as a Frostie, ehh, I have some beachfront property to sell you in Arizona. This spell turns a formidable Frost mage into a demigod. Learn how best to use it and you can be better than baby Jesus at PvP.

Improved Blizzard - Adds a chill effect to your Blizzard spell. This effect lowers the target's movement speed by 65%. Lasts 1.5 seconds.

This is a must for AoE grinding. Now, 1.5 seconds may not sound like a lot, but it can mean all the difference in many situations. Example would be WSG, a single mage can turn the tide of a battle with this spell. If you aren't planning on doing much AoE, you can go without this.

Artic Reach - Increases the range of your Frostbolt and Blizzard spells and the radius of your Frost Nova and Cone of Cold spells by 20%.

Given that the mage is meant to fight from a distance, a tool to allow him to do it from even farther out is a handy thing to have. Gives you a bigger margin of error when kiting.

Frost Channeling - Reduces the mana cost of your Frost spells by 15% and reduces the threat caused by your Frost spells by 10%.

This makes the efficiency of the Frost tree as far as mana goes truly shine, add in the reduced threat, and you have a very solid PvE talent. Not so great in PvP, as the reduced threat does nothing, but it can save you some mana.

Shatter - Increases the critical strike chance of all your spells against frozen targers by 50%.

Now, everyone is still screaming about the Shatter nerf, yes it hurts, but it isn't the end of the Frost tree. You can still get a few spells to crit with this easily before Frost Nova breaks, and if you happen to have Ignite and Pyroblast.... yeah, it gets pretty nuts for PvP. In groups just skip it, but solo play and PvP are great with this talent. It's basically our version of Cold Blood.

Frozen Core - Reduces the damage taken from Frost and Fire effects by 6%.

Waste of talent points, ignore it.

Ice Block - You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 seconds, but during that time you cannot attack, move or cast spells. (5 minute cooldown)

Possibly the most powerful spell a mage has. Most people tend to use Iceblock as an "OH sh*t!" button, which it is in PvE. But in PvP, learning to use this spell offensively can be devastating to whomever is on the recieving end of the *** whooping you are handing out. Yes, it is that good.

Edited by popular demand.

Sun Tzu wrote:
Those who are skilled in producing surprises will win. Such tacticians are as versatile as the changes in heaven and earth.


Sun Tzu wrote:
In conflict, straightforward actions generally lead to engagement, surprising actions generally lead to victory.


Notic a trend here? The biggest advantage in any fight, is suprise. Whether it be an ambush in a real conflict, or in a game, one like, oh let's say World of Warcraft. Smiley: grin

Most players use Iceblock for defense. Pull aggro off the tank? Iceblock. Get focus fired in a battleground? Iceblock. Girlfriend won't leave you the hell alone about taking her out? Iceblock... sorry that one would require Inivisibility, and also possibly a Frost Nova, another thread entirely right there.

In PvP, Iceblock's power isn't in it's ability to keep you alive, it is in being able to stop the fight altogether. Stopping a fight allows a quick thinking mage to evaluate the situation, and react accordingly. It can completely destroy your opponents initial plan of attack and allow you to set one up of your own.

A few easy examples:

1. A Rogue jumps you, you nova and blink, and he pops sprint, or possibly even Cloak of Shadows, now what? Iceblock. You can sit there for 10 seconds while he mashes his buttons and figure out what to do next.

I have used Iceblock for nothing other than waiting for the cooldowns on Blink and Frost Nova to be up. Is this a defensive move? Yes but the latent effect is it allows YOU to control the fight now, and that is what offense is all about.

2. A Warlock or Priest is on the attack, don't panic, let them waste a ton of mana and DoT the crap out of you. After they finish, Iceblock it all off. They are now reacting to you instead of you reacting to them.

OH NOES! I've been Deathcoiled! Let's hit this button over here and ICEBLOCK!

If you fight enough Warlocks, you can almost predict when they are going to Deathcoil, and there is nothing funnier than watching him spit as his little green flying skull smacks into your safe wall of ice.

3. You pick a fight with another mage, and he blows all his timers in an effort to kill you with one massive nuke. Iceblock and wait for it to wear off, then proceed to kick his ***.


Further elaboration isn't really needed at this point, I think you get the idea. Even if someone knows you have Iceblock, they have no way to predict when you will use it. When you do, control of the fight now belongs to you entirely. Suprise is an offensive tool, the most powerful one you have in a fight period. Iceblock gives you that element of suprise. Use it wisely.


Improved Cone of Cold - Increases the damage dealt by your Cone of Cold spell by 35%.

Queue the "How much does your CoC hit for?" jokes. In group fighting, whether it be PvP or PvE, this spell adds another page to the mages nasty book of AoE tricks. Story time: I was in Arathi Basin, and rode up to the Lumber Mill which the opposing team held at the time. Seeing no one near the flag, I dismounted and proceeded to cap the flag. Of course, out come the rogues, two of them. I quickly hit Blink and Frost Nova to get my distance. Following up with a PoM Flamestrike to keep them from vanishing. I hit my CoC (Joke again) then Cold Snapped to go into another Frost Nova and CoC. Hit them with two Arcane Explosions and they both fell over dead. That's right, one mage versus two rogues and they lost, lost badly I might add. If I hadn't had Improved CoC, it might have turned out differently.

Ice Floes - Reduces the cooldown of your Cone of Cold, Cold Snap and Ice Barrier and Ice Block spells by 20%.

Being able to use my Frost tree toys even faster? Yes please.

Winter's Chill - Gives your Frost damage spells a 100% chance to apply the Winter's Chill effect, which increases the the chance a Frost Spell will critically hit the target by 2% for 15 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.

Quick math again: 2% x 5 =10%. An added 10% crit for your Frost spells. Now I have never had this talent as a Frost mage, but I ALWAYS made sure someone else in my raid group had it. Just sick for PvE, not as good for PvP because it takes a bit to get it stacked up. Oh and they use that "100% chance" crap again, seriously wtf is with that?

Ice Barrier - Instantly shields you, absorbing 1175 damage. Lasts 1 minute. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted. (30 second cooldown)

Our version of Power Word: Shield, except we don't have to waste it on sh*tty tanks, it is all ours. Simply awesome spell. Good for AoE grinding, good for PvP, good for PvE good for everything. Also gets a bonus from your spell damage gear.

Arctic Winds - Increases all Frost damage you cause by 5% and reduces the chance melee and ranged attacks will hit you by 5%.

Now, 5% may not seem like a lot, but believe me, the rogue who is swinging his bigass dagger at your backside is noticing. Nothing pisses melee off more than seeing "Miss" roll across the screen when they are trying to beat up a caster. And anything that pisses off rogues is good in my book.

Empowered Frostbolt - Your Frostbolt spell gains an additional 10% of your bonus spell damage effects and an additional 5% chance to critically strike.

Brings Frostbolt back to where it should be after speccing into Improved Frostbolt, but also gives you 5% more crit. Great talent.

Summon Water Elemental - Summons a Water Elemental to fight for the caster for 45 seconds.

The awesomeness of this thing is not to be underestimated. People keep crying about how nerfed it is, but it is still seriously gross. If you spec into this, you can kill ANY other class in PvP. Gives you another Frost Nova (which can be reset with Cold Snap) and shoots Frostbolts at stuff. Also gets a damage bonus from your gear. Play with this thing a bit, I will aggro any and all classes on sight if I am specced into this thing.


That wraps up our talent review, up next, talent specs!



Alright, on to the talent specs. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, there is also more than one way to get to what you need in a certain tree. Speccing 33 Arcane for PvP will look different that for PvE, same with the other trees. These are merely suggestions, tested ones that I have experience playing with. You can always change stuff around, these are what I have found to work for me. Use at your own risk.

Don't come crying here if it doesn't work for you either. These all work for their designated purposes, maybe you just suck if it doesn't. None of these will make you an instant PvP or PvE uber leetsauce haxzor if you suck to begin with. So, enough with the disclaimers, on to the specs.

Arcane

Arcane still serves as our utility tree, used to round out what you are trying to do with frost or fire. Making this your primary school of damage dealing magic, will make you OOM extremely fast. It can be used in shorter fights, i.e. 5 man dungeons, anything over that and keeping yourself in mana to keep casting becomes difficult. It also lacks the added toys you get in other trees for PvP, the control of frost and the burst of fire. With that in mind, most people spec 21, 33, or 40 Arcane. We will discuss those, as well as some off specs used for special cases.

21 Arcane - PvP Talents or "Getting to Presence of Mind"

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 5/5
Magic Absorbtion - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Arcane Fortitude - 1/1
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Improved Mana Shield - 2/2
Presence of Mind - 1/1

Notice that we skip Arcane Concentration here, and max out Arcane Focus, this is to help with your Counterspell. Arcane Impact works well for those of you who run into a group of players spamming Arcane Explosion as a finisher.


33 Arcane - Deeper PvP or "Holy sh*t did you see the size of that crit?"

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 5/5
Magic Absorption - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Arcane Fortitude - 1/1
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Improved Mana Shield - 2/2
Improved Blink - 2/2
Presence of Mind - 1/1
Arcane Mind - 2/5
Prismatic Cloak - 2/2
Arcane Instability - 3/3
Arcane Power - 1/1
Spell Power - 2/2

Built with extreme burst in mind, this spec takes the much debated "3 minute mage" to a whole new level. I used this for quite awhile, in arena and BG's. Let the other classes whine, when I get Skillcoil like Warlocks, or Cloak of Skill like rogues, or 14k unbuffed HP, then I might listen to your cries of pain while you are enveloped in my ball of fiery death. Until then, flame on ******** I can't hear you over the roar of the flames.


40 Arcane - Deep Arcane or "Pretty sure I just crit that guy for a bajillion."

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 5/5
Magic Absorption - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Arcane Fortitude - 1/1
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Improved Mana Shield - 2/2
Improved Blink - 1/2
Presence of Mind - 1/1
Arcane Mind - 5/5
Prismatic Cloak - 2/2
Arcane Instability - 3/3
Arcane Power - 1/1
Spell Power - 2/2
Mind Mastery - 5/5

Focuses on beefing up your total intellect to get as much power as you can out of Mind Mastery stacked on top of Spell Power. An interesting spec to play with, especially if you enjoy really large numbers popping up on your screen.


Those were all of your specs focused more on PvP, let's discuss some that are more PvE oriented shall we? Gotta keep the carebears happy, wouldn't believe the amount of hate mail those bastards send me.


21 Arcane - PvE Talents or "Even the carebears likes dem some PoM."

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 3/5
Magic Absorbtion - 2/5
Arcane Concentration - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Arcane Meditation - 3/3
Presence of Mind - 1/1

Yes I know Counterspell is arguably a PvP talent, but I hate not having it, even when PvE specced. Arcane Concentration is an absolute must, and Meditation is a boost to your regen.


33 Arcane - Deeper PvE or "Big crits to pull aggro off the tank."

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 3/5
Magic Absorbtion - 3/5
Arcane Concentration - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Arcane Meditation - 3/3
Presence of Mind - 1/1
Arcane Mind - 5/5
Arcane Instability - 3/3
Arcane Power - 1/1
Spell Power - 2/2

Again, Concentration is key here, Arcane Mind to beef up that mana pool and my all time favorite talent, Instability adding crit and damage. A solid PvE spec with big numbers. Another option with this spec is to drop Meditation and get Potency.


40 Arcane - Deep Arcane or "Let's see if I can pull aggro every 10 seconds and live."

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 3/5
Magic Absorbtion - 5/5
Arcane Concentration - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Arcane Meditation - 3/3
Presence of Mind - 1/1
Arcane Mind - 5/5
Arcane Instability - 3/3
Arcane Power - 1/1
Spell Power - 2/2
Mind Mastery - 5/5

A continuation of the 33 build, working deep enough into the tree to get mind mastery. Again, you can drop Meditation and get Potency if you feel like it.


Now some of the off specs, there are two of them, 10 Arcane to get Concentration for a 10/48/3 Fire spec, or 17 Arcane to do the 17/0/44 Frost spec, both which will be discussed more in depth later.

10 Arcane
Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 3/5
Arcane Concentration - 5/5

17 Arcane
Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 4/5
Magic Absorbtion - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Arcane Fortitude - 1/1
Improved Counterspell - 2/2

53 Arcane - Deep Arcane for use with two piece Tier 5.

Arcane Subtlety - 2/2
Arcane Focus - 5/5
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5
Magic Absorption - 5/5
Arcane Concentration - 5/5
Arcane Impact - 3/3
Improved Counterspell - 2/2
Arcane Meditation - 3/3
Presence of Mind - 1/1
Arcane Mind - 5/5
Arcane Instability - 3/3
Arcane Potency - 3/3
Empowered Arcane Missiles - 3/3
Arcane Power - 1/1
Spell Power - 2/2
Mind Mastery - 5/5

A variation of this is to go 50 arcane and stick 11 in to fire. Personally, I would drop two points in to Elemental Precision then the other 6 wherever you feel like it. You can drop the Improved Counterspell, as this is really only useful in raids as a build and Imp CS is not that great for them. Then take 1 point out of Magic Absorption to spec the 50/11/0 build.


One thing you may have noticed, only one of these has Improved Arcane Missiles in them. I can't remember the last time I even looked at the spell, much less cast it as a 70 mage. If you want to use it, go for it, and get Empowered Arcane Missiles deep in the tree. I don't, too many other things that I would rather spec, be it for a PvP or PvE build. It is handy for leveling though, and I will talk about that when we go over what to spec as you level later in the guide.

That wraps it up for the Arcane tree, our good buddy Fire is next on the list.



Fire

Anyone else have kids? Seen Ice Age 2? You know when the sloth, Sid gets kidnapped by the other sloths and they all worship him calling him "Fire King" over and over? Yeah, that is us in this tree. Fire still brings the most damage to the table, combined with Arcane it is why other classes complain about our burst capabilities. Nothing can match the sheer damage output of fire as far as mages go. Fully raid buffed, I am tossing 3k fireball hits these days. Factor in Ignite and we are talking just stupid power. Any mage crying about how sh*tty our damage is needs a nice big cup of stfu and l2p. This tree not only provides that cup, but runs the ***** over the brim with damage goodness.


21 Fire - Stack with 40 Arcane or "Holy massive fireballs Batman!"

Improved Fireball - 5/5
Ignite - 5/5
Flame Throwing - 2/2
Incineration - 2/2
Pyroblast - 1/1
Burning Soul - 2/2
Master of Elements - 3/3
Critical Mass - 1/3

This is a PvE focused build, stacked with 40 Arcane it can provide some very nice damage. Has little to no utility or control however.


28 Fire - Use with 33 Arcane or "Dial 1-900-Crit-Alot"

Improved Fireball - 5/5
Ignite - 5/5
Flame Throwing - 2/2
Incineration - 2/2
Pyroblast - 1/1
Burning Soul - 2/2
Master of Elements - 3/3
Playing with Fire - 2/3
Critical Mass - 3/3
Fire Power - 3/5

Continuation of the 21 build, nice when used with 33 Arcane, centers around lots of crits from both trees. Very strong burst as well, I like this one in 5 man dungeons and smaller raids, like Karazhan.


40 Fire - Deep fire or "Did somebody call the exterminator?"

Improved Fireball - 5/5
Ignite - 5/5
Flame Throwing - 2/2
Incineration - 2/2
Pyroblast - 1/1
Burning Soul - 2/2
Master of Elements - 3/3
Playing with Fire - 3/3
Critical Mass - 3/3
Fire Power - 5/5
Pyromaniac - 3/3
Combustion - 1/1
Empowered Fireball - 5/5

Even deeper fire for PvE, more crits and increased damage. Very solid build, another nice group spec when dealing with something smaller than 25 players in regards to groups.


48 Fire - Famed 10/48/3 Build or "Raid Spec Xtreme."

Improved Fireball - 5/5
Ignite - 5/5
Flame Throwing - 2/2
Improved Fireblast - 3/3
Incineration - 2/2
Burning Soul - 2/2
Improved Scorch - 3/3
Master of Elements - 3/3
Playing with Fire - 3/3
Critical Mass - 3/3
Fire Power - 5/5
Pyromaniac - 3/3
Combustion - 1/1
Molten Fury - 2/2
Empowered Fireball - 5/5
Dragon's Breathe - 1/1

This spec will most likely put out the max damage you can possibly come up with. Combined with a healthy mix of +dmg and +crit gear, it is absolutely lethal. I spec this for raids. No PvP talents, except maybe Dragon's Breathe and that is there only because you really have nowhere better to place it.


28 Fire - Use with 33 Arcane PvP or "BBQ PvP"

5/5 Impact
5/5 Ignite
2/2 Flame Throwing
3/3 Improved Fire Blast
2/2 Incineration
1/1 Pyroblast
2/2 Burning Soul
2/3 Playing with Fire
3/3 Critical Mass
1/1 Blast Wave
2/2 Blazing Speed

Notice there is no Improved Fireball, I don't even put Fireball on my bar when I spec this. Centers around fast casting and instant spells, along with the occasional Arcane Powered Pyroblast. While useable in arena (I have done it, great for murdering a healer) it truly shines in Battlegrounds. Not all that great in 1v1 PvP, but still dangerous. I was specced this when I back to back crit my Shadow Priest brother for 6k damage each, netting me over 12k and killing him instantly, and that was before the Ignite tics. Also, Blazing Speed is godly in group PvP, do not doubt this.


Alright, a few things to note on the Fire specs. You may have noticed that I only put one full on PvP spec in here, reason being, anything else is just cheating yourself. Yes you can PvP with 40 Arcane 21 Fire, but it won't be as good. Other classes have to deal with speccing back and forth from PvE to PvP, so do we. If you truly want to shine at one or the other, you can't try to do both, because then you just end up being mediocre.

Dragon's Breathe, while a PvP oriented talent, is so deep in the tree it really isn't worth getting. You lose to much in the Arcane tree from doing it, the biggest one being Spell Power. It also shares a cooldown with Cone of Cold, but here is where it stops making sense.

Cone of Cold, by itself has an 8 second cooldown, and Dragon's Breathe has a 20 second cooldown. Now, if you use Dragon's Breathe, the Cone of Cold cooldown goes to 20 seconds. Make sense? Didn't think so. I figure Blizzard didn't want 3 AoE crowd Control spells being spammable (Blast Wave being the third).

You can mess around with talents, and still PvP with different specs, but again, I wouldn't recommend it. Enough of the Fire, on to Frost!



Frost

Not having as much of a damage output as a full fire spec, frost still brings some amazing tricks to the table. With Shatter the burst potential is absolutely lethal. Looked at by many to be THE PvP tree these days, it can also provide some decent numbers in raids. I really wish I could link music into posts, I'd bust out the remix of "Ice, Ice Baby" I have with Eminem in it.


40 Frost - PvE Frost or "Raiding, as frost, again..."

5/5 Improved Frostbolt
3/3 Elemental Precision
5/5 Ice Shards
2/2 Improved Frost Nova
3/3 Piercing Ice
1/1 Cold Snap
2/2 Arctic Reach
3/3 Frost Channeling
1/1 Ice Block
5/5 Winter's Chill
5/5 Arctic Winds
5/5 Empowered Frostbolt

There a freaking thousand ways to spec a frost tree. This one is built mainly for raids, if you couldn't figure that out when Ice Barrier wasn't in there, I dunno what to tell you, I can't help you. A good frost raid spec, but stuck as being only good at that.


28 Frost - PvE Solo Frost or "Look I'm Faxmonkey lolz!"

5/5 Improved Frostbolt
5/5 Ice Shards
3/3 Frostbite
2/2 Improved Frost Nova
3/3 Permafrost
3/3 Piercing Ice
1/1 Cold Snap
2/2 Arctic Reach
3/3 Frost Channeling
1/1 Ice Block

This one gets paired with a 33 Arcane spec to build on crits. It doesn't work as well as a 28 fire spec, due to not getting ignites off a critical strike, but it does decently. I like a build like this for soloing old world dungeons.


21 Frost - PvP Burst or "Dude I crit my pants".

5/5 Improved Frostbolt
5/5 Ice Shards
2/2 Improved Frost Nova
3/3 Piercing Ice
1/1 Cold Snap
5/5 Shatter

Burst in the extreme. This stacked onto a 40 Arcane build, using Arcane Power is lethal in PvP. Not much survivability as far as frost is concerned, but probably the best burst build in the game. Nova something, pop timers, cast a frostbolt, then toss and ice lance, GG target.


44 Frost - PvP Frost or "Baby Jesus is my name."

5/5 Improved Frostbolt
2/3 Elemental Precision
5/5 Ice Shards
3/3 Frostbite
2/2 Improved Frost Nova
3/3 Permafrost
3/3 Piercing Ice
1/1 Cold Snap
2/2 Arctic Reach
5/5 Shatter
1/1 Ice Block
3/3 Improved Cone of Cold
2/2 Ice Floes
1/1 Ice Barrier
5/5 Arctic Winds
1/1 Summon Water Elemental

The PvP spec that is all the rave. I use this, love it. The pet makes for some very nasty bursting, pretty much every pvp toy that frost can give is in this spec. Most serious arena players are rolling with this build, the control and survivability are top notch. Anything less would be uncivilized.



That should sum up our talent builds section. REMEMBER! This is an overview, if you find something a bit different, that you just LOVE (omgkittens!) so, so much and you HAVE to tell us about it, feel free. I am not saying you are wrong, there is more than one way to skin a cat .(omgkittensagain!) These are all to get you started is all. So if you don't like the build, don't use it, build your own you lazy, unoriginal @#%^ing ok, ok, sorry, I'm done.



Edited, Dec 26th 2007 10:18pm by Filterspawn

Edited, Feb 17th 2008 7:27pm by Tyrandor
#2 Mar 07 2006 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Whiiii, you didnt list mine.

I have a wierd, PvE/PvP hybrid build based around AOEing and not dying in PvE as well as in PvP.

Imp Blizzard is quite good for those instance thrash mobs AOE/kite sessions and money farming sessions.
#3 Mar 07 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Then post it. I have tried every spec known to man, I listed the more common ones that work well. Feel free to make a suggestion.
#4 Mar 07 2006 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a wierd, PvE/PvP hybrid build based around AOEing and not dying in PvE as well as in PvP.

Imp Blizzard is quite good for those instance thrash mobs AOE/kite sessions and money farming sessions


Post it up, u got me interested ^^

Edited, Tue Mar 7 12:13:41 2006 by VaMoSoMo
#5 Mar 07 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
No Imp. Mana Shield? I've always considered that a staple to survivability in my specs. Then again, lately I've been completely forgetting about Mana Shield in AV and PvE, so perhaps those are points wasted right now. Thoughts?
#6 Mar 07 2006 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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All imp mana shield does is save you mana. Get a bigger pool and it won't matter.
#7 Mar 07 2006 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
I use the 30 fire/21 arc build, with one switch. I took improved mana shield instead of the two points in arcane meditation. The damage gear (pre-MC) seems to gimp the mana pool a bit. I found it helped me stay alive a bit longer (particularly while dueling with guildies to kill time). With better gear, that will change, but as long as I'm wearing a green belt, that's where I'll put my two points.

Filterspawn, thanks for the info. Your video of the murloc holocaust almost convinced me to respec frost, until I remembered that my guild wasn't anywhere near BWL status.

Edit: Arcane meditation =! arcane mind

Edited, Tue Mar 7 12:44:48 2006 by wormzer
#8 Mar 07 2006 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe, yeah I will clear 1100 non buffed frostbolts when I get the new spell book from AQ. 613 frost dmg 4tw!

Still trying to break 600 in full NW atm, stuck at 568, need my new sword!
#9 Mar 07 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
90 days played?!?! Holy crap. The game has only been out what ... 450 days? That means you've played 20% of all the time between when the game was released and now ... wow. You don't happen to be in college do you? :-P

Oh and you left out elemental builds :-P
#10 Mar 07 2006 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Reread the post, I left them out for a reason. No, I am not in college either. I have a family to take care of, college is down the road as of yet. (the rest of it anyway)
#11 Mar 07 2006 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
ahh yes ... sorry for missing that. And college isn't everything man so no sweat ... I've got no degree to speak of (barely got my diploma to be honest) but I'm doing a little better than good out there. It's all about motivation. :)
#12 Mar 08 2006 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought a Alla savvy guy like you didnt need explenation on profiles ;)

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?837593

I havent updated it in a while. (eg, i have some better gear now)

its a 33/18 frost/arc only points allocated a tad differently. I think overall all your builds are to much PvP focussed. No builds that would be really viable in both.
I had a lot of builds iven tried fire for a while, found out that i found out frost more fun to play and tinkered with builds untill i stuck with this one.
Its a PvE focussed build mainly, i first had the 28/23 arc/frost but i was tired of being pwnd by everyone and everything outside the instances. (PvP server)

I still think for a frosty Arcane Subltlety and Focus is better then IAM. Frostys live to not get hit, dont stand still and soak damage you nullify your build. No mage can take 6 seconds of punishmnet and live.

I agree on sublety for AM :)
Sublety is for imp CS, you can pull that nasty caster that your tank cant body pull due to adds to your group and your tank has it off you in one hit. And for polymorph, after you repolymorph a target 5 times a warrior pops it for the slaughter and it doesnt 1st travel across half the raid towards you. Ive really felt the difference between having those two points there or not.

As for arcane focus, a lot less resists on poly and the 4 sec silence bit of imp CS in both PvP and PvE. When i get more +hit gear i might drop that one, but probably not because i think IAM is useless.


Edited, Wed Mar 8 04:40:09 2006 by Sjans
#13 Mar 08 2006 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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IAM is a must in BWL. Vael anyone? So it does have it's uses.

As for your build, why do only 4 points into imp bolt? Kinda pointless not to max it if you've gone that far. 33 into frost and no frostbite? meh.

What you linked is not very far off from the 33 build I posted, you just choe to customize it to your tastes. Nothing wrong with that, but if I posted every single variation, of every single build, we'd run outta space on the forums.

These builds are meant to give ppl a general starting off area, once they get the basics figured out, what they do is up to them.
#14 Mar 09 2006 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Vael anyone?


Well unlimited mana, so no difference between not being interupted and being interupted and just casting it again. Sublety is more usefull with Vael imo.

Imo, I dont take frostbite because its almost useless in PvE and to unreliable for PvP to justify 5 points. Ive played a long time with it, and i dont miss it in PvP.

But yeah i know its a variation of a cookie cutter build, but i like to show that you can make a different build to your taste and still be very good in both PvE and PvP. So you dont have to follow what other people say, use the information and your own common sense to build what you like :)
#15 Mar 09 2006 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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So you dont have to follow what other people say, use the information and your own common sense to build what you like :)


Exactly. But some people are just starting out and want a little help. If they didn't, I wouldn't get 2-3 PM's a day asking about builds Smiley: grin
#16 Mar 09 2006 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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If they didn't, I wouldn't get 2-3 PM's a day asking about builds


Yup I know, carrying tier 2 gets questions :P

Im a bit afraid that some people (you know the kind) will take this as the absolute thruth and condemn everyone not adhering to it. Thats why the comment.
#17 Mar 09 2006 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I hereby nominate this thread for sticky goodness. The forum is getting gummed up with stuff on builds.
#18 Mar 09 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
Well the problem I have with build advice is that a build good for a level 60 is mostly worthless to someone who is NOT level 60. the fact is where your points end up is typically less important when levelling up than the order you put them in. My build advice to non-60s (well really sub 40s) ... get IAM and then do whatever you want. Try out stuff ... explore the talents ... see what they do. A talentless mage can level up just fine so pretty much talents are for flavor ... determine your own flavor.

#19 Mar 09 2006 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Try out stuff ... explore the talents ... see what they do. A talentless mage can level up just fine so pretty much talents are for flavor ... determine your own flavor.


I agree. Best thing I ever did on my mage (now in the low 30s) was respec twice in the 20s. I flipped from mostly arcane to heavy frost (heavy frost was more fun for me I quickly found out) and then back to arcane for Improved Arcane Explosion as I wanted to try different tactics in Warsong Gulch.

So yes, it was costly (for my level) to do the second respec but I feel I learned way more about being a mage doing so.

I also started an alt mage to mess with fire builds (I will probably keep it under level 29).

Would it be a problem to change the respeccing cost to not come into play until a certain level. I don't know what level to pick (maybe 25ish?) to let people really try things before it becomes a cost issue. If it made more knowledgable players of their chosen class into the 30+ game I think it would be a good change.

EDIT: Showing my own newness to the game as I was just told in game last night that I can use the test server to check respeccing all I want. Just have to delete and recopy my character to keep the cost cheap. I have not tested if this is true of course but it sounds reasonable.

Edited, Fri Mar 10 09:25:47 2006 by tworok
#20 Mar 09 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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feralminded wrote:
Well the problem I have with build advice is that a build good for a level 60 is mostly worthless to someone who is NOT level 60. the fact is where your points end up is typically less important when levelling up than the order you put them in. My build advice to non-60s (well really sub 40s) ... get IAM and then do whatever you want. Try out stuff ... explore the talents ... see what they do. A talentless mage can level up just fine so pretty much talents are for flavor ... determine your own flavor.


I totally agree with your statements. But when people come asking about builds they generally offer up a level 60 build and say, "would this work?"

Perhaps a preface to the document stating that they are not for leveling.... I don't know, but I know that they are pretty much the standard builds. I think I'd put in the 30/0/21 full out raid Frost PVE build. You'd never be able to PVP with it, but it would be great for maximizing your mana efficiency and damage with a frostbolt. The points in Focus are mostly there for filler to get to AI, although they do help with sheeping Domo's priests. And since the point is Raid PVE, IAE wouldn't really be all THAT big of a deal.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mages/talents.html?0450500102514300000000000000005051031023001000
#21 Mar 09 2006 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, due to popular demand, I will put together a 30 frost 21 arcane build. I'm lazy atm though, messing with my UI is giving me fits.

Post it soon.
#22 Mar 10 2006 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Small note about my first build. It does several things. 1 thing it does really well is Crowd control. Since it has the chill effects and reduced movement with Improved Blizzard it has good crowd control. Also it has the Burst damage abilities that Arcane power provides along with PoM and the range of fire. Impact is there mostly for proc'ing as your main spell you cast is Scorch spam until you get a clearcasting proc then arcane missiles. If you want pop Arcane power.. wind up a fireball then POM fireball and scorch. Its what I believe a flexable build
Arcane
Arcane Subtlety Rank 3
Arcane Focus Rank 5
Arcane Concentration Rank 5
Improved Arcane Explosion Rank 5
Evocation Rank 1
Improved Counterspell Rank 2
Arcane Meditation Rank 1
Presence of Mind Rank 1
Arcane Mind Rank 4
Arcane Instability Rank 3
Arcane Power Rank 1

Fire
Impact Rank 5
Flame Throwing Rank 2

Frost
Permafrost Rank 5
Winter's Chill Rank 3
Improved Frost Nova Rank 2
Improved Blizzard Rank 3

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This was my spec before I decided I needed 2 mages cause I wanted to play with differnt builds. Leveling up with most points in Arcane was nice and getting arcane power at level 40 helped a lot in increasing damage. After I decided to make a second mage for PVE and use my current mage for PVP I switched to a Crit build with blastwave. Cause Blastwave in BG's is sooooo worth it.



Arcane
Arcane Focus Rank 5
Arcane Concentration Rank 5
Improved Dampen Magic Rank 2
Improved Arcane Explosion Rank 5
Evocation Rank 1
Improved Counterspell Rank 2
Presence of Mind Rank 1
Arcane Mind Rank 4
Arcane Instability Rank 2
Arcane Total: 27

Fire
Impact Rank 5
Ignite Rank 5
Improved Fire Blast Rank 3
Flame Throwing Rank 2
Incinerate Rank 2
Improved Flamestrike Rank 3
Critical Mass Rank 3
Blast Wave Rank 1
Fire Total: 24

Notice the Imp Dampen Magic. Since I was going PVP heavy I would run with Dampen Magic since Priests/Locks and trinket mages were my hardest matchup. At one time I had improved Fireward instead of Improved Fireblast because fire damage from locks/mages/engineering stuff was annoying and reflecting a little back was useful(this was when 3piece arcanist was +10% fireward/frostward absorbation) Also there used to be a bug that was fun to play with by standing in fire with Fireward up and it would reflect 1 point of damage each tick to whoever you had targeted with no limit on range(really fun was exploitation but ooooh so much fun )

Overall 1% crit and damage to all is nice but throwing that point instead into blastwave gives you a big AOE option. If your sucide AOE'ing into a group of horde/alliance you spam a few arcane explosions then blastwave and hopefully blink back to the safty of your lines(or have a priest watch ya and heal) you can easly deal 2K damage in a few seconds to multiple people.

Big thing I can tell any mage is try different specs. There are so many options and so many different ways to play and at times it is like playing a whole new class.


Edited, Fri Mar 10 18:28:20 2006 by Kasmiur

Edited, Fri Mar 10 18:32:41 2006 by Kasmiur
#23 Mar 12 2006 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Level 10 Mage on Kirin Tor here with a few questions about PvE.

I'm not much into PvP and battlefields. I dabble here and there with an occasional Blood Gulch or whatnot (with characters that are higher anyway) but I'm not too focused on that part of the game right now.

What I'm really into is PvE. I want my mage to be the most helpful he can in instances and whatnot, while still being able to survive with much efficiency soloing. Here are a few things I'd like to know.

• Which build(s) is/are most viable for early leveling and what should I invest in?
• Which build(s) is/are the most helpful for Instances and helping out groups? In my opinion right now my #1 reason for being invited to a group is DD and Sheeping.

A couple things about what I MUST have in a build (ones in bold I'm really interested in):
• Pyroblast. I did the math, and it's got a 2.43 dmg/mana rating, being the highest for single mobs. AoE type spells could obviously do better against groups, but when in instances what I've learned is it's best to focus on the 1 mob the MT is focusing on to take it down fast.
• Blast Wave is on my list to get...and I was thinking about it a little from what y'all said, and it seems, coupled with Combustion, it'd be a devastating mass PvP move. Don't HAVE to have it, but might respec to get it later.
• Frostbite. Awesome seeing as it procs on Frost Armor and whatnot, but any use in Instances?
• Shatter seems tight, but Frost Spells are generally really low in the dmg/mana rating...so maybe takes up too much mana to take advantage?
• Frost Channeling seems to make up for that mana cost issue a little, but do you use a whole lot of frost spells in Instances?
• PoM seems like it'd be great to grab for a quick burst of damage.
• Arcane Concentration...worth it? Seems like it would be...would mana regeneration keep going after a spell is cast with the buff?

Anyway, if anyone could suggest a build including the 3 that are bolded (cause those are the most important to me) that's considered a very good PvE/Instance build, I'd much appreciate it :)

Hoozza, Level 10 Mage, Kirin Tor

Edit: Here's what I currently have, gimme some comments:

Arcane - 22
Wand Specialization -5
Arcane Focus - 5
Improved Arcane Missiles - 5
Arcance Concentration - 5
Improved Counterspell - 1
Presence of Mind - 1
Fire - 11
Improved Fireball - 5
Ignite - 5
Pyroblast - 1
Frost - 18
Permafrost - 5
Winter's Chill - 3
Improved Frost Nova - 2
Piercing Ice - 3
Cold Snap - 1
Improved Blizzard - 1
Frost Channeling - 3

Edited, Sun Mar 12 21:02:23 2006 by Roller
#24 Mar 13 2006 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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For sheer leveling, there are two ways to go about things.

1. Go fire, you kill faster, thus level faster.

or

2. Go frost and get improved Blizzard for AoE grinding. This is usually better with two mages working together.

I tell most people, to use fire until 60, frost does do a lot less damage as you said, and for it to truly shine you need excessive amounts of +dmg gear, which you get after being level 60.

I am frost myself, and I put out very good damage, I am usually number one in damage dealt in instances, and if not, within the top 5 easily.

I wouldn't advise tri-speccing like you did, you lose too much in other trees. Fire is great in instances, and can even be used in places like MC and BWL, although I would advise frost for those.

Ultimately is boils down to your personal preference, although, I would definately say lose the wand spec, it's a waste of talents.

#25 Mar 13 2006 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I was reading quite a bit about the wand spec, and someone said, "Face it, you're going to run out of mana at some point in time, and what'll you have to rely on if you're still in combat? Your wand."

And honestly, I couldn't find anywhere else in the first 3 tiers I wanted to put those 5 points so Wand Specialization seemed like the best option.

If I were to get rid of the 5 in W.S., what should I put them into? Improved Arcane Explosion (making it instant cast)? Dampen Magic? Mana Shield? Counterspell? Need an alternative to Wands that actually sounds BETTER than +25% Damage with a Wand (btw, I use my wand a great deal soloing...it's usually Frost Bolt -> A.M. or Fireball -> 1 more dmg Spell -> Wand till dead. When I get Pyroblast it's Pyroblast -> Fireball -> Wand till dead more than likely.

Edit: Oh, and I WOULD travel farther in 1 tree instead of investing in all three, but there aren't any talents that I REALLY want farther in the trees without putting more points into there than I'm willing to take out of other trees. I guess you can call me a multipurpose mage.

I was about to go Arcane down to Instability, and then I was about to go Fire down to Fire Power, but there are a bunch of what I call "crap talents" I'd have to invest in to get to those and I hate doing that. (Cold Snap is one of those...just to get Frost Spells to cost 15% less mana...how are Cold Snap and that talent at ALL related?)

In the first 4 tiers of Fire, leading up to the good stuff, those 11 points I have allocated are the ONLY things in those first 4 tiers that actually make sense to grab, and Ignite is just BARELY in that grouping...honestly it's just there to get to Pyroblast.

If there's any talent tree I can see going almost to, if not all the way to, the end of it'd be Fire. I can imagine a Pyroblast Crit with the increased damage and instant cast Pyro, maybe even free with Arcane Concentration...that'd just be kickass.

Edited, Mon Mar 13 18:50:00 2006 by Roller
#26 Mar 14 2006 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
To Roller:What are your talents now?

For what are you speccing?

Your most used abilities?

Edited, Tue Mar 14 02:10:14 2006 by ShadowNimph
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