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drumroll................ 480 per in Whitegate!
Thank you SE /rollseyes

While I applaud fighting RMT very much... I don't understand the assumption that only RMT use things like mistletoe, bird blood, etc. Bird blood is a source of income for many actual players.. as was mistletoe.

I tend to seek out items in this game that I can vendor rather than relying soley on the AH for my regular income. Unfortunately, when SE cuts vendor rates on crafted items, mob drops, and fish.. this hurts just as many crafters and real players as it does RMT.

I think having items vendor for a reasonable rate is a good thing. I would much rather vendor a pile items I have used to skill up on and not take such a huge loss every time. The decreased price on remedy is now imo too low vs the skill level of the recipe and the difficulty of obtaining the materials to make it. I don't mind a decrease to reduce RMT abuse.. but that was a drastic reduction.

While I agree somewhat with what you say, allowing RMTs an easy meal ticket is not something we can accept, either.

It all boils down to allowing us to find ways to make money that does not involve easy repetitive robot-like tasks that RMT can exploit. Allow us to make money, but do it in a way that does not involve something that can repeated a million times over.

And besides, there are plenty of ways to make a lot of money that don't involve Bird Blood, or anything of the sort. And Honestly, there's no reason why a Lv25ish mob drop should sell for so dang much anyways. That's inviting every Lv75 ill-equipped Chinese-talking player to move in and make himself enough money to buy enough rice to feed all of Africa.

Also..



Um.....?

Remedy
Lv69 Alchemy

Boyahda Moss
Chamomile
Distilled Water
Dried Marjoram
Honey
Mistletoe
Sage
Wijnruit

You call that difficult? There are plenty of recipes that are a hell of a lot harder than that (and higher level to boot), but yield far less gil. Those are all NPC-vendor items except the Mistletoe and Boyahda Moss. Boyahda Moss is common as crap, farm any Goobbue and you'll get lots of this stuff. And you make 2 at a time if you don't HQ (Lv98 Alchemist with the 2 guild items can get Tier 31, or, a Lv95 can do it with 2 Guild Items + Guild Support). The Mistletoe is a little harder, but come on, it isn't THAT hard, especially if you've got more Chinese people, equally starving, over in Jugner farming your Mistletoe 24/7.

This tactic was far, far more viable for RMT than it ever was for Players. The Recipe itself involved a lot of cheap vendor items, and 2 items that needed to be farmed. Doing this recipe now, is a mild loss just like most other Lv69-70 Recipes in most other crafts. Here are some examples:

Bone Lv68: Bone Patas (Fire, Crab Shell, Giant Femur x2, Carbon Fiber)

This is kinda annoying, you need 4 Bomb Ashes per 3 Carbon Fibers, Crab Shells are annoying to get, low level crabs don't drop them very often at all, and they don't stack, nor do Giant Femurs.

Cloth Lv69: Silk Headband (Earth, Silk Cloth, Carbon Fiber)

This is slightly easier than the Alchemy recipe, true.

Cook Lv72: Pear au Lait (Water, Honey, Selbina Milk, Derfland Pear)

Easy as hell, but then this is Cooking we are talking....

Gold 67: Hydro Patas (Fire, Bone Patas, Animal Glue, Mithril Sheet)

Bone Patas, plus more. Ow.

Leather 69: Beak Jerkin (Earth, Cockatrice Skin x2, Sheep Leather)

Cockatrice Skin must be pretty rare; I've killed lots of those in the Labyrinth and not seen a single one, oddly. I imagine this probably sucks.

Smith 70: Hien (Fire, Darksteel Ingot, Lizard Skin)

Darksteel. Ouch.

Wood 69: Demon Arrow (Earth, Arrowwood Lumber, Demon Arrowhead, Black Chocobo Fletching)

A good recipe, you can sell for profit sometimes, break even or slight loss other times.

So... examining the data above...

Alchemy's will require some time and money to do (if you did this recipe), Bone is kinda annoying due to low drop rate on Crab Shells, Gold is simply ridiculous, Smithing hurts the wallet, which leaves Wood and Cooking to be easy, and Leather... maybe I was just having bad luck or something, I don't know.

And I have another question for you.

Why on Vana'diel would you ever skill on Remedies? There's a MUCH better way:

Lv62 (or 61): Venom Dust (Monke-Onke x2 -or- Scorpion Claw x2).

If you like fishing, go for the Monke-Onkes. If not, the right Scorpions drop a metric sh*tton of their claws. Either way, save the dust for...

Lv68: Venom Potion (Water, Venom Dust, Mercury)

Any Alchemist knows where to get a ton of Mercury cheap and easy, and the Venom Dust you already had. The Venom Potions will sell on AH, but not for very much and somewhat slow sells. Keep a stack or two for Guild Items, too.

Lv72: Paralysis Dust (Three-Eyed Fish, Lightning Crystal)

Seriously, just get a good Fishing Rod and go to Qufim. Three-Eyed Fish aren't that hard to catch once you get onto it (they are easier than Black Sole IMO). Use these to make Paralysis Potions, later. The Potions take you to 78.

There you have it, 62-78 cheap and easy, without using Remedies to skill up. What did you buy?

1). Good Fishing Rod, maybe a Halcyon Rod? You can make that yourself, btw.
2). Appropriate Lures (which you can make yourself).
3). Mercury (camp the Bibiki Bay NPC)
4). Crystals (if you were in Qufim, you WERE killing the Lightning Elementals that pop near the shore while you were fishing, right?)

A hell of a lot easier than other crafts, 62-78 I'd have to admit. A lot cheaper too. So why, again would any legit player make remedies for any reason other than for use, or sell on AH?

That's just it; they wouldn't. The only reason someone would do this, would be for Sell-to-NPC profit, and that was mostly RMT doing that.

Not always.

Some jobs are like that, some jobs are very well not like that. Not everyone works at a factory, you know. *grins*

I think more of what I was trying to say, is that I don't think SE intended people to make large sums of money by repeating the same task involving NPCs, they wanted everyone to make small amounts of money and then trade said money amongst each other.

Hah, I just NPC'd a Remedy that I got from Assault prior to this patch.

Woo

I've always advocated creating ways that money is introduced into the system via things like Quests (ones that require actual thought, and progression), and less from repetitive tasks that any Lv1 mule can do.

You can still make plenty of money in the game, it is just that SE is nipping some of the easiest robot-like ways of making money one by one. Does the Remedy nerf hurt that many players?

Honestly, if making Remedies is the only way an Alchemist can think of to make money, then I'm sorry but you needed help, and fast.

And why is it that everyone says crafting "is useless unless I can make money from it"? I mean, what ever happened to crafting for your own benefit? Making your own medicine? Making your own status boltheads? That's what I use my crafting for.

Everyone knows that Farming > Crafting in terms of gil/hour. It always has, and it always will be that way in FFXI. If you wanna make money, you farm and sell farmables on the AH.

Or, you farm a variety of things that sell to NPCs, there's a lot of them left in the game. Or, you farm things to make to sell on the AH (some types of leather sell well).

There's lots of things one can do, that RMT are either unwilling to do (or aren't able to). In the mean time, SE should be trying to come up with new ways to make money, that require actual job levels. RMT get banned and have to restart as Lv1 characters; having an activity that requires Lv70+ is just not feasible to them, if the STF keeps it up with the banning.

Since when? I can still make make more money crafting for a short time than I can farming all day. That's if I get average results for the tier I'm in aswell(usually something tier2), not some super rare tier0 HQ.

Crafting used to be the biggest money maker in FF, especially earlier in the game when there was few people with a 100 craft. The difference now isn't as big, with the amount of competition in crafting due to a lot more people having levelled a craft.

It's true some people may well make more gil per hour from farming than from using their craft skills. But saying Farming > Crafting is an idiotic blanket statement when so many factors play a part.

What jobs do you have levelled? If you're a 75THF then yeah farming might be the way.
What craft are you? What level? How much competition is there on the recipe you're using?

Crafting can still make you more gil than farming. You just have to research it.

I'm currently levelling alchemy as my second craft to 100 (74.9 atm) and I used Remedys to skill-up on, they were a great help being able to NPC for slight profit, and I was going to use them to make gil once I was high enough to get a better tier. But SE nerfed them. I'm not to heartbroken though, I've also already singled out other recipes aswell I'm going to use.

Don't become to dependant on 1 form of making gil, diversify. You never know when SE might nerf it, or something better comes out making it obselete, or just some other crafter gets wind out that recipe and blows the market to crap.

What I craft I buy all the materials from the AH, synth whatever it is I do, and turn around and sell them for a profit.

One of my regular profit synths is one where I actually aim for NQ and if I do HQ I just NPC it for break-even because it doesn't sell. I make about 9k profit per NQ and they sell quite regularly.



I only usually synth a stack or 2 a day for gil. Thats 12-24 synths. And to make the same amount of gil farming would take a few hours. Now I can spend the rest of my playtime doing other stuff, or I can farm aswell if I'm desperate for money for increase what I made from crafting aswell.

Crafting is still the biggest money maker in the game for the least amount of time spent doing it, you just have to know what you're doing.

totally disagree with this. I still make more money crafting than all my ls mates do farming in nowhere NEAR the time spent they do.

I find it funny you site the time it takes to synth something, when farming requires the time it takes to get to the farming spot, waiting on mob spawns, waiting for actual drops etc. etc.


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OMG!!! I can't NPC them anymore!!! The apocalypse is at hand!!!
C'mon people. Have you looked at the actual results of this change? Mistletoe is dropping in price (granted this hurts those that were farming it, but there's lots of things to farm). What does this mean? Well, granted you can only sell your Remedy on the AH for 3k instead of immediately for around 3.2k, but your profit margin is alot higher too. So basically, they turned remedy into a normal, decent skillup synth that you can also make a profit on later if you so choose. Yes, doom on you SE.

Edited, Sep 15th 2008 9:25pm by hellbringerx

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