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#252 Mar 21 2012 at 2:14 AM Rating: Good
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Anywho. I can't really say I'm surprised that they would use a stock image like that for Tali's face. I am really disappointed, though. Couldn't they have gone the extra effort and have an artist make a portrait to use there? I know it's a small detail, but it's also a pretty significant one if you romanced Tali. It's a huge part of her character development that she was able to take that picture on her homeworld.

But whatever.
My roommate also points out that they seem to have reused the motion captures on some of the love scenes, as they're exceedingly reminiscent of others from other Bioware games.

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More ending stuff:

Ok so that did not take long. I was able to redo the ending over lunch since the auto-save I had put me right back before the Citadel. I see now how the paths should have been obvious. But the first time I was just overwhelmed by my choices.

Also I reacted the first time the renegade came up with TIM and Anderson this time and was treated to a nice final chat with Anderson which was cool.

I now have my own version of indoctrination theory forming. When you see cutscenes of your choice to destroy the Reapers it shows Anderson doing the shooting not you. I missed that the first time. I'm not sure what parts of the final sequence are reality and what parts are the reapers last stand with the catalyst feeding me lies. But in some ways it does not matter. In the end by destroying the Reapers I stopped their last ploy. And now the galaxy gets to make it's own choice about the dangers of creating machine life. Rather than paying the price for some civilization that started the Reaper cycle ages ago.

I did get the final teaser cutscene in London now as well.

So whether or not the DLC screws up the ending or my thoughts are near any of what the designers were thinking, the open ending makes a bit more sense to me and you can choose to see it as you will. I can live with that. All greedy DLC video game politics aside.


This video, full of ending spoilers I would imagine(I can't watch it at work), sounds like it follows your thought here. Edit3: Holy crap if that ends up being the truth, it makes everything kinda awesome.

Edit2: Ran across a rather interesting thought on TVTropes WMG page.
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What if Thresher Maws are a life form made into a weapon by one of the previously culled species? They live for a long time on photosynthesis, are practically undetectable, and spread through a very basic means(spores)


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#253 Mar 21 2012 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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No ending spoilers contained in here, but god damn it spoiled my evening.
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The PTSD commando implied that she had to kill a farm girl so that banshees won't find them due to the noise of the girl crying. The operation took place in the colony of Tiptree. The farm girl wanted to be a pilot when she grew up. Joker had a conversation with Liara and was worried about his sister, Hilary, in Tiptree. The farm girl's name was Hilary.
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Edit: Oops, that was supposed to be an edit, not a new post.

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#254 Mar 21 2012 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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I know, right? Also, I do appear to be ahead of you again, not that it'll last since I'm logging to make lunch, but still. Smiley: tongue
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I played one round with my new Infiltrator to bring my readiness back up to 100%. :P

So I really suck at using sniper rifles. XD
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#256 Mar 21 2012 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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God dammit, BioWare.

So I got the game and loaded it up, but without any save games from the previous games (new computer), I had to choose between three presets with one being "most were kept alive" and considering I kept everyone alive in my playthroughs, that's just not good enough for me.

Who else is doing a Mass Effect marathon? Three ME games in a row. I can't even begin to imagine how much this will ***** up my social interactions. Last time I played a ME marathon (ME2 release with no ME1 save game), I was seeing dialogue wheels everywhere, waiting for people to finish talking before I'd reply... sometimes in the hopes that a romance option would appear.

Oh well, time to ***** up my brain.
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#257 Mar 21 2012 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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After I beat 3, I plan on going back and doing just that. I'm playing a Paragon male Infiltrator, I think my next play through will be a female Renegade adept. On a harder difficulty.
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Once I spam multiplayer and then clear ME3 again, but on Insanity, I will have myself a Mass Effect marathon, assuming I am still sane.
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#259 Mar 21 2012 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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God dammit, BioWare.

So I got the game and loaded it up, but without any save games from the previous games (new computer), I had to choose between three presets with one being "most were kept alive" and considering I kept everyone alive in my playthroughs, that's just not good enough for me.

Who else is doing a Mass Effect marathon? Three ME games in a row. I can't even begin to imagine how much this will ***** up my social interactions. Last time I played a ME marathon (ME2 release with no ME1 save game), I was seeing dialogue wheels everywhere, waiting for people to finish talking before I'd reply... sometimes in the hopes that a romance option would appear.

Oh well, time to ***** up my brain.


Maz, stop now and look back earlier in the thread. I linked to two pages when talking to, I think, Shojindo. One has a collection of pre-built saves, the other lets you create a save with all your desired choices. Go use it. It's DEFINITELY worth wasting whatever time you've already spent to import your old saves.

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And lol at how much better I've gotten at the game from my Multiplayer marathon. I'm thinking of upping the difficulty, too.

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Some news:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1221273p1.html

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"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey," Muzyka continued. "You'll hear more on this in April. We're working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we've received.


IGN's title for the article appears misleading, as this doesn't sound like a new ending (i.e: one that replaces the old one) best as I can tell. Rather, it sounds like they'll be adding further exposition after the events of the original ending. That, in-and-of-itself, isn't all that surprising. But there ya go.
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#261 Mar 21 2012 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
Anywho. I can't really say I'm surprised that they would use a stock image like that for Tali's face. I am really disappointed, though. Couldn't they have gone the extra effort and have an artist make a portrait to use there? I know it's a small detail, but it's also a pretty significant one if you romanced Tali. It's a huge part of her character development that she was able to take that picture on her homeworld.

But whatever.
My roommate also points out that they seem to have reused the motion captures on some of the love scenes, as they're exceedingly reminiscent of others from other Bioware games.

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Ok so that did not take long. I was able to redo the ending over lunch since the auto-save I had put me right back before the Citadel. I see now how the paths should have been obvious. But the first time I was just overwhelmed by my choices.

Also I reacted the first time the renegade came up with TIM and Anderson this time and was treated to a nice final chat with Anderson which was cool.

I now have my own version of indoctrination theory forming. When you see cutscenes of your choice to destroy the Reapers it shows Anderson doing the shooting not you. I missed that the first time. I'm not sure what parts of the final sequence are reality and what parts are the reapers last stand with the catalyst feeding me lies. But in some ways it does not matter. In the end by destroying the Reapers I stopped their last ploy. And now the galaxy gets to make it's own choice about the dangers of creating machine life. Rather than paying the price for some civilization that started the Reaper cycle ages ago.

I did get the final teaser cutscene in London now as well.

So whether or not the DLC screws up the ending or my thoughts are near any of what the designers were thinking, the open ending makes a bit more sense to me and you can choose to see it as you will. I can live with that. All greedy DLC video game politics aside.


This video, full of ending spoilers I would imagine(I can't watch it at work), sounds like it follows your thought here. Edit3: Holy crap if that ends up being the truth, it makes everything kinda awesome.

Edit2: Ran across a rather interesting thought on TVTropes WMG page.
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What if Thresher Maws are a life form made into a weapon by one of the previously culled species? They live for a long time on photosynthesis, are practically undetectable, and spread through a very basic means(spores)


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Edited, Mar 21st 2012 8:25am by Poldaran


That video is great! Love the back story connections and narrations. Even if Bioware never intended this interpretation they should totally run with it and build DLC around it. Community minds at it's best. Really if you think about it they could have been like lets leave the ending "really ambiguos" and then see what the community comes up with to rationalize their own personal journey, because whatever we set in stone will be hated by at least half of the internet.
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#262 Mar 21 2012 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Maz, stop now and look back earlier in the thread. I linked to two pages when talking to, I think, Shojindo. One has a collection of pre-built saves, the other lets you create a save with all your desired choices. Go use it. It's DEFINITELY worth wasting whatever time you've already spent to import your old saves.


But I was looking forward to rewiring my brain... Smiley: frown

It's been such a long time since I played ME1 and 2 that I found myself having to dig deep to remember some characters in ME3 and the controls. Replaying the two games is not just to create a save game file, it's also to refresh my memory.

I've also heard that the ending is incredibly underwhelming and has received flak from virtually everyone, so perhaps my marathon will give BioWare time to make a new one. Smiley: tongue
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#263 Mar 21 2012 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I got the impression that you were going to play ME3 without a save. I should read more carefully. :P

Moving from ME1 to 2 is always weird, control-wise. But ME3 is more-or-less the same as ME2, from what I can tell. Some new systems (never-ending sprint = awesome), but same buttons in general.

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Pold, you bought the DLC, right? I caved and grabbed it as well, but I'm having trouble deciding when I want to pick up the character. My first instinct is to wait until I have Kaidan, because going back to Eden Prime without him just seems wrong.

I also can't decide how often I want to bring him along. I'm interested on the Prothean (is this still something that demands a spoiler?) perspective, but I also want to flesh out the existing cast. It just seems weird to not be using some combination of Garrus, Tali, Kaidan or Liara. I really like James and EDI, but it's like I'm missing something when I use them.

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Started my assault on the Cerberus base, which is this game's point of no return.

I just kind of ran out of things to do that weren't fetch quests. So I figured it was time to wrap things up.
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Pold, you bought the DLC, right? I caved and grabbed it as well, but I'm having trouble deciding when I want to pick up the character. My first instinct is to wait until I have Kaidan, because going back to Eden Prime without him just seems wrong.

I also can't decide how often I want to bring him along. I'm interested on the Prothean (is this still something that demands a spoiler?) perspective, but I also want to flesh out the existing cast. It just seems weird to not be using some combination of Garrus, Tali, Kaidan or Liara. I really like James and EDI, but it's like I'm missing something when I use them.

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Do not do it until you've done the Benning: Evidence quest in the Citadel Embassies, because he takes the spot of the father who want's his son's dog tags spot and makes that quest unavailable from then on out. Don't ask how I know this... stupid OCD Smiley: motz
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Pold, you bought the DLC, right? I caved and grabbed it as well, but I'm having trouble deciding when I want to pick up the character. My first instinct is to wait until I have Kaidan, because going back to Eden Prime without him just seems wrong.

I also can't decide how often I want to bring him along. I'm interested on the Prothean (is this still something that demands a spoiler?) perspective, but I also want to flesh out the existing cast. It just seems weird to not be using some combination of Garrus, Tali, Kaidan or Liara. I really like James and EDI, but it's like I'm missing something when I use them.

Edited, Mar 21st 2012 4:31pm by idiggory


Do not do it until you've done the Benning: Evidence quest in the Citadel Embassies, because he takes the spot of the father who want's his son's dog tags spot and makes that quest unavailable from then on out. Don't ask how I know this... stupid OCD Smiley: motz


Good to know, thanks. Smiley: nod
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Javik is a jerk.(nope not spoiler tagging that anymore) But he is growing on me. XD The revelations he gives about his culture are really interesting though. I read one rumor he was originally supposed to be the catalyst, but they scraped that. Since I did not have the DLC my first play through I decided to go for him right away on my second play. At first I rolled a soldier with no pre-loaded save instead of an Adept because my original fem Shep was a soldier. The reason I bring that up is because that was a pretty challenging mission on Eden Prime to get him with a level 3 soldier. I made it but it was rough.

Then I got another save with Fem Shep and Liara in love instead because over the course of the game I came to realize Liara has grown from a naive girl into a really cool character and I dig her now. Have not done the DLC on my new start yet, but I think with a level 30 Adept it will go much smoother.



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There is one part in that post that might be worth spoilering, though (the catalyst bit). I've just been going with the assumption that Shepard will be the catalyst. But I have no reason to actually believe that at my point in the game. Nor do I know if the catalyst will actually be a person in the actual game. But it's close enough to a plot element, regardless of if it correlates to the game or not, that it should probably not be automatically visible.

In other news, while my ability at using... abilities... and generally movement/aiming/firing techniques has gotten much better from multiplayer, holy hell do I need to remember that Shepard's death is a game over, unlike the multiplayer agents. XD XD XD
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I want to give you a cold, warm, hot. metric for that thought but I will just let you find out. Smiley: sly Also I spoilered it now.

I DLed Shogun2 last night on Steam and all I want to do is play more ME3. I think I have a sickness.
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I was going to take a nap, but then I played ME3. I was going to do homework, but then I played ME3. I was going to play Dragon Age*, but then I played ME3. I was going to make dinner, but then I played ME3.

I think you get the picture.

*I got the Ultimate Edition for $20, so I finally got around to playing Awakening. Which wasn't anything special, TBH. But I enjoyed Leliana's Song. Still have Witch Hunt/Golems to play through. Also played through DA:O quickly on casual (doing few side missions), because I accidentally deleted my saves. After that, I want to replay DA2. But none of that will happen if I can't stop myself from playing ME3.

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I was thinking earlier just how different ME1 and ME3 are, story wise, even though the narrative between them flows quite well (in my opinion). Which is pretty cool. It was when I was on the Citadel, moving through areas on the elevator and remembering the conversations between companions that would occur during loads in the first game. Kinda crazy, huh? I mean, Saren was the big bad for a whole game. Now we have an enemy that's 6 billion times as powerful as Saren.

And thinking about that really put it in perspective when people ask Shepard how she manages to deal with it all.

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Yeah but you need to finish. I already finished a game and played 4 multiplayer toons to 18+.

I always play ME games 2-3 times though.
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>.< I have bad habits. Like right now, totally playing. But alt-tabbed to come post here.

And it wasn't even going to be an interesting post. Mostly just that I'm amazed that Miranda has such a lax sense of style that she still wears the same thing... just minus the Cerberus patch. They could AT LEAST have given her the loyalty outfit. :P

I find myself liking her a lot more now than I used to, primarily because of what the Shadow Broker dlc taught about her character. In her dossiers, there's two things I can recall. 1. He online dating profile (that she was using to hook up, and nothing else). 2. The report from a doctor telling her that, unfortunately, the extensive genetic engineering has left her infertile. Something just clicked in my brain and she became so real to me. Her haughty personality, her obsession with protecting her sister, her inability to get close to people.

Also, I always wanted Ken to be a romance option. :( Something about attractive Scottish engineers just does it for me. Oh well, I'll just have to do my best to get him together with Gabby.
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>.< I have bad habits. Like right now, totally playing. But alt-tabbed to come post here.


Quit doing that thing I'm doing.

Edit: Just beat the game.

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Stop rubbing it in. Smiley: glare
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After beating ME3 as a Paragon Femshep Soldier. I decided to replay from ME1 as a Renegade Maleshep Vanguard.

Then I got annoyed with maleShep's voice & re-rolled another femshep.

ME1 was rough, as I had never played it & it's cover mechanics blow. So I turned down the difficulty & just ran up to people & shotgunned them in the face. About halfway through ME2 and Vanguard is a helluvalot more fun now that I have charge to zip around the battlefield.
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So... ending discussion.

I feel like most of the people raging are overstating it. That said, I wasn't really satisfied with it. To me the options sounded like you could A) "Control" the reapers, which to me screamed "seize power and rule with an iron fist" which is exactly the opposite of what my Shepard would have done; B) Destroy the Reapers, the Geth, and EDI, which considering I went to significant lengths to just save the Geth and EDI was one of my favorite characters ever, that kind of pissed me off; or C) the "Synthesis," which to me sounded suspiciously like the Human Instrumentality Project. None of these appealed to me.

I wasn't really happy with the choices at all. Also, there were a lot of other issues with it, which have been brought up in other articles around the web. I won't repeat them here.

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