Soloing in a ScenarioFollow

I cannot understand why everyone is so upset.
Lets say that there is one group of 5 and then there is a group of 1. Each does 50% of the dmg and the kill was worth 200xp. the group of 1 will get 100xp (so one person will get 100xp), and the group of 5 will get 100xp (each person will get 20 xp). This seems totally fair considering the fact that 1 person did half of the dmg and the other 5 only did 10% each. Normally 5 people would do 90% of the dmg and split 180xp (36xp each) while the solo guy will only get 20xp. It is a fair system.



My situation...
Ok so i am a lvl 16 SH. The squishyist of the squishy. For the whole time i was doing scenarios i would just stay with my normal group either 1 or 2. But lately (since the Order xp and rp boost) Destro has been getting their ass handed to them because of the overwhelming amount of BWs and healers on the Order side, and the underwhelming amount of healers on our side.

But my issue is... i never get healed... our 1 or 2 healer's only focus seems to be tanks and melee dps. I have even ran to the back of the pack with 2 tanks on my ass and 20% health past the healers and nada. For this reason i always end up just picking an empty group and hunting BWs and WLs on my own. I find it ridiculous to have to share xp with a group that doesn't even try and defend me by rooting my attackers or throwing me a heal. I fact my survivability rate has gone up since i now do not try and rely on healers or support. Hell some of the healers should be thanking my because if their being attacked 90% of the time i will go after that guy.


A couple of notes on soloing or joining a separate group(this is what i have seen correct me if i am wrong)...

It does net you more xp per kill if you do a good portion of the dmg, but you get nothing if you got a enemy down to 90% then you die.

Seeing as how i don't do a lot of AoE dmg im not racking up the xp/rp by leeching off of everyone. In fact most of the time i end up with about average xp after the scenario is over.

Also, armor drops are only rolled on by the group that loots the corpse. So, less of a chance to find armor.



Just to add... BW fire cage is bs. My root only holds someone until they are damaged (50% chance to break), and i don't even come close to the dmg potential of BW. SH is one of those hide n' run classes. Guess that's why we are small and earth tone. :-p

Okay, first off I'd just like to say that after thinking about it I've come to the conclusion that this whole entire argument is solely based on greed.

One side is being greedy by leaving the group and not wanting to share their xp with others. While the other side is being greedy because they don't want to share their xp with those leaving the group. So really, we should all just not care and realize no matter how you put it together we are sharing xp with each other one way or another. That's part of being in a scenario, and it's totally fine as long as both sides are trying to Win.

Now, to comment on a few things.

Snowblast, you managed to get from my good side to my @#%^ you side in one simple post. I would suggest that you don't try to make arguments about classes that you haven't actually played because it makes you sound foolish, especially after ending it with such a condescending remark.



For your information, all of those AOE Marauder abilities you listed are INSTANT CASTs. Marauders can spam AOE damage ridiculously at large groups of people and survive a lot better than a Sorc doing the same thing.

Also, the only ability out of the 3 that you have listed for the Sorc side that I actually have is Shattered Shadows. And I'm already lv20. Now...Shattered Shadows has a 3 second cast. Do you know how hard it is to get off a 3 second cast on someone in a Scenario? Probably not, and FYI it's rather difficult especially when they can go out of line sight very easily on many levels (Such as Mourkain Temple). I don't even consider SS an AOE Ability because I NEVER use it, especially not to AOE.

So far I have 3 AOE Abilities that I use as a Sorc functionally. One is an Instant cast with a 5 second CD that does have like a 60ft range. The other 2 Don't have CD's so they can be spammed, but only have a 35ft Range...which is practically the same as the Marauders. So YES, a Marauder CAN AOE Spam just as well as a Sorc if not better.

And most importantly, SOLO'rs generally don't AOE because you have to get in very close range to do so and with backlash and no heals you will most likely die VERY fast...and therefore not get ANY XP for all the sweet damage you have done. Actually all the damage you do when you die goes straight to the killers, which would most likely be someone in the "Main Group" thus if you are AOEing you are most likely helping them out more than you are helping yourself.



Once again, exactly my point..and there is nothing wrong with that at all :)


Tyrandor,




Yes, yesterdays patch did make healers get less renown, but all they did was equalize it with what other classes were getting (even if going solo)..so healers can still get more than everyone else if they go solo..it's just not as significant of an amount more as it was before. I saw it last night and then grouped with the guy and yes, he was saying he gets a lot less today than before but it was still more than everybody else. lol

I do agree as I said that TANKS can't go solo and do nearly as well as the other 3 archetypes. BUT If they were to CHOOSE to go partnered up with a healer or a dps (as others have said they occasionally do) than they can still get the XP advantage they are missing from sticking with the "Main Group". Sure if the person doesn't care let them stay in the "Main Group" but if they do care then find a healer/dps, group with them, and do the same thing. It's fun and rewards you more.

And finally, I never meant to say that I MYSELF am any good or better than others. If I even said that at all, but don't think I did. I know I'm not the best, or even better than many people playing the game. What I AM Saying is that to do GOOD in SOLOING you DO have to be GOOD at it. Hell, I'm not even that great at Soloing, without a healer I generally barely get anymore xp than the "Main Group". But that's my point, I don't care who it is, me or anyone else, but the fact still remains that it's more challenging and difficult to do well in Soloing a Scenario. And for some reason people don't realize that..or are just denying it. Either way, ANYONE CAN DO IT, it just happens to be much more difficult for Tanks..but that's why it's better to do it with Partners. And even Tanks can do it with partners.


Well thank you for that information, I actually had no idea and now I do understand better. I thought that Renown Rank only went to 40 because whenever my renown rank was going to level and I was still the same career level it wouldn't let the renown level ding. Always stops at 99%, and I still don't understand why that is if you can get all the way up to 80...but oh well. I'd probably be like RR23 instead of 20/20 right now if that wasn't the case. As for getting 2k Renown, well I'm sure you're talking about some much higher Tiers, because in T2 the most I've ever seen is around 800 I believe.

Either way, as I was saying my RR was higher than my CR even back on my Marauder when I had no idea how the game worked or what soloing was. I still leveled 95% by Scenarios back then, so I think that if a person really does level purely by scenarios their Renown Level will constantly stay around the same as their Career Level. But I'm sure that needs to be tested. So far that's what it's looking like for me though on both of my characters.

But either way, up until I hit Career Rank 40, I could care less about my Renown Rank lol. :)



This is actually really good information, I didn't know that. I just figured that Scenarios were the fastest way of leveling because so far everything I have tried PVE-wise was much more time consuming and rewarded less xp unfortunately. But I'll have to take that into consideration once I reach the higher 20s, then again I'm not a big fan of PVE. Though I would assume as you yourself said, the Renown XP you get from Scenarios along with natural XP might make Scenarios still more worthwhile.





Here's a good example...at 82k dmg with 0 Deaths, you sir are a WAY Better Sorc than I am. :) I don't think I can pull that off even with 2 healers..well maybe with 2 healers but they gotta be on top of things lol.

Ah...but your not understanding me Snow!

First off your friend is lv28, He is higher level than me so that is already a problem because I don't have the same skills to use as him. I am speaking out of my OWN Experience, and my own experience is my Lv20 Sorc and my Lv15 Marauder.

I am staring at my Lv20 Sorc RIGHT NOW on my Laptop (Typing from my Desktop). As a Lv20 Sorc, in T2 Scenarios, generally Mourkain Temple, there are only 3 Abilities that I can use to do sufficient AOE Damage and actually say that I am AOEing. They are the Following:

Infernal Wave
Instant Cast
10 Second Cooldown
65 FT Range
100 Spirit Damage (Untalented)

Ice Spikes
Instant Cast
No Cooldown
65 FT Range
200 Corporeal DMG Over 15 Seconds (Untalented)

Surging Pain
Instant Cast
No Cooldown
30 FT Range.
60 Corporeal Damage (Untalented)

Now I was just doing this earlier tonight with 2 Healers and it was very fun, so I can speak out of experience. I actually topped 138k Damage Done in an 8 minute match of Mourkain Temple just earlier. To accomplish this what I had to do was spam my Infernal Wave whenever it was up (Every 10 seconds) and after everytime I used Infernal Wave I would use a Ice Spikes right after to keep the DoT up on everybody I am fighting. But those two abilities, even with their 65 FT Range (Which is not 80-100) is not enough to AOE down a group of people. No. To actually kill people with AOE I have to SPAM my Surging Pain ability, which means I have to be in 30 FT of Range. SO, what I end up doing is running STRAIGHT into the MIDDLE of the Enemy Group and SPAM Surging Pain until they all die. I can do this only because I have 2 Healers constantly SPAMMING heals on me lol.

Now, as you can see from my above explanation, which is true...I can show you a Screen Shot of me doing the same thing at lv19 (The only difference between 19 and 20 is that I do even more damage now) if you need valid proof..AOEing as a Sorc requires me to run into the middle of everybody just like a Mage in WOW. The only way to survive is with 2 Healers, otherwise it's more of just a kamikaze. But as you can see that doesn't require ANY support from Tanks, or anyone else in the scenario even. TBH most the time if I do this others in the scenario just become obstacles for me and get in my way..I would rather not have them there. So all a Sorc really needs is 2 good healers and then it can AOE it's hard out, but otherwise you won't be seeing us do much AOEing.

And if you were wondering what the conclusion of the scenario was..generally 130k+ Damage done with 2 healers and all 3 of us get 16k XP. We win the Scenario, and us 3 are in the front lines at all time..and believe it or not my Sorc IS TANKING because you can imagine how badly the Order wants to try and kill me, but they can't because I have 2 Healers that just won't let me go down..and everyone else in the scenario got 9k XP.

Why on earth would they complain? They didn't even have to do anything, we practically handed them the scenario. I had quadruple the amount of damage done as the person in 2nd, and they never had to worry about getting hit or anything because I was being Focus Fired the whole time. No one can tell me that my group of 3 didn't deserve more XP than the rest of them when we did almost all the work. And you know what the others did? Thanked us lol. So no, not everybody is as against it as you might think..even if they aren't apart of the XP Advantage.


Anyways, excuse me I kind of went on a rant. But my Point is, a Marauder has a 35 FT Range on all of their AOE Abilities and they are all insta casts with relatively no Cooldown...while my Sorc has to be in a 30 FT Range to Spam AOE's that have no Cooldown. In comparison, the Marauder Actually has it better off..and if you add in the Armor/Health factor too then a Marauder might really do a better job with 2 Healers than a Sorc. I haven't tried 2 Healers on my Marauder yet, but speaking of this really makes me want to..I can imagine it would be even more ridiculous. I already know with 1 Healer my Marauder is practically immortal and can sit infront of a group of enemies and simply spam AOE's for a good amount of time.

Anyways that's that. I hope you understand better now that I gave you SPECIFIC Examples.



My mood is affected because you keep talking to me as if I have in some way offended you or talked sh*t to you when I have not. In fact I was at terms with what you were saying up until you started pulling that crap on me. That and I can't stand it when people think that something written is more powerful than actual experience. I can say whatever I want on here, but no one will feel any different about the topic until they actually try it out for themselves and understand exactly what I am saying. THEN They have the right to an educated opinion on the topic, whether its for it or against it, but until then it's just useless gibberish and a lot of people here are taking it for granted. No offense man, but I could care less what the "Official Guide" has to say when I've already experienced something first hand and it's in my knowledge. Especially in an Online MMO Game where things change constantly through patches or by other means.



Int for Sorcs = Str for Marauders.



Yes, but a Sorc has to get into Melee Range to AOE. Which then brings them to a disadvantage since they aren't supposed to be in melee range and have less survivability than a Melee dps class. Such as a Marauder which is always in Melee range, so it doesn't make a difference if they have to AOE in it.

Now a Sorc doesn't have to get in melee range to kill things though, which is a very strong advantage. But that means they aren't AOEing. Because if they are using far ranged spells (80 FT +) then they are killing solo units most likely or just putting up DoTs.



After reading my posts I think you can tell I listen to what people are saying rather well.. Which is exactly why I tend to comment on everything they are saying hehe. As for my emotions, don't worry about that I'm not upset at all..when I use CAPS it's only to emphasize words because I can't show expressions over the internet to do so, or change my tone. So you should just know that whatever I Capitalize generally has more important value in the sentence than the rest of the words lol. :)

Now I'm not mad at you, I just think that you are having trouble understanding some of the points I'm trying to get across to you...I'm sure you can understand how that may be a little frustrating. But it's cool, I enjoy the conversation...Otherwise I wouldn't be here typing right now. Haven't had a good argument on the Forums in a long long time.

Dear Argh,

Thank you for a good argument, also finally you wrote really good argument, and now I need time to "think" about what to say. =) Also, I do agree that sometimes, people do see only "one" point of view,like most of people, i'm same , but if try hard like you did, I start consider other points as well.

I will take a break to think what to answer.

P.S. I do apologize for my harsh comments, get over reacted in some point.

I don't know about the math there... you forgot to include the time it takes to run to the area with the mobs and back again. But, then again at 28 you should have a mount so that will really cut the time down.

Personally i would rather level in scenarios because of the renown (get to buy renown gear and tactics) and because i find it a lot more fun than standard quests. It is just nice to have a choice. And who says you can't do both, while waiting for a scenario i normally do quests.

I laughed reading this.


Whomever said it should just force-group in scenarios hit upon the simplest fix.

You want to play the team-game scenarios, you have to be in the team. It would certainly take the heat out of the argument.